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Michelle O’Neill has said Sinn Fein is hoping to unseat “an architect of Brexit” - DUP deputy leader Nigel Dodds - as it aims to increase its number of MPs from seven to eight. As the Press Association reports, the Sinn Fein vice president said the December 12 general election will be about maximising the return of pro-Remain candidates.

Standing alongside the party’s North Belfast candidate John Finucane, O’Neill said:

"We will stand in our seven constituencies in which we currently hold seats and we will stand in North Belfast to win that seat.
We believe there is a real opportunity in North Belfast to oust someone who has been architect of Brexit, someone who has actively worked against the interests of people who live here on this island, and John Finucane can provide local representation but also will reflect Ireland’s interests in all of this mess."

Dodds had a majority of 2,081 over Sinn Fein in 2017. But at that election Dodds did not face a challenge from the Ulster Unionist party, which agreed to give the DUP a clear run to maximise the unionist vote. But this time the UUP intends to put up candidates in all 18 of Northern Ireland’s constituency because it does not want to be seen to endorse the DUP’s Brexit stance.

    DODDS        Nigel        DUP        21,240   
    FINUCANE        John        Sinn Féin        19,159   
    NELSON        Sam        Alliance        2,475   
    MCAULEY        Martin        SDLP        2,058   
    O'HARA        Malachai George        Green Party        644   
    WEIR        Gemma        WP        360   
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Report pa lapsy October 30, 2019 5:38 PM GMT
Neutral in regards Sinn Feins Westminister stance,at least they are consistent,however with a general election in particular rather than local or NI, why don't they get behind the SDLP?

Genuine question,there probably is a reason but i don't know.
Report lfc1971 October 30, 2019 6:00 PM GMT
The Ulster unionists won’t put up a candidate to run against Dodds
Report Angoose October 30, 2019 6:03 PM GMT
The incoming leader of the Ulster Unionist Party is coming under increasing pressure on his stance over a unionist electoral pact.

Steve Aiken has said that his party will stand candidates in all 18 Westminster seats set to be contested on December 12.

However, DUP MP Jeffrey Donaldson claimed the stance will mean a "unionist dogfight", and warned this could risk unionists losing seats to Sinn Féin.

Unionist rival the Traditional Unionist Voice (TUV) said agreed unionist candidates in certain constituencies was a "no-brainer".

A unionist pact saw Ulster Unionist Tom Elliott win the Fermanagh South Tyrone Westminster seat in 2015. However, Sinn Féin's Michelle Gildernew won the seat back for her party in 2017.
Report lfc1971 October 30, 2019 6:05 PM GMT
The new leader of the Ulster unionists will be told what to do
they won’t put a candidate against Dodds
Report lfc1971 October 30, 2019 6:06 PM GMT
imo
Report pa lapsy October 30, 2019 6:12 PM GMT
All the same to them anyway,they (dup) went against the wishes of the majority,sure they will have their hardcore,but a wake up call to most,they have nothing, Boris and the English nationalists showed them what's what.
Report lfc1971 October 30, 2019 6:13 PM GMT
ps I don’t think the Ulster Unionists are worried about the DUPs stance on a border in the Irish Sea
They agree with the DUP that wasn’t acceptable
So Brexit is nether here nor there when it comes to that
Report lfc1971 October 30, 2019 6:14 PM GMT
The DUP are the largest party in N Ireland pl
And then the Ulster Unionists as well agree with them
Report lfc1971 October 30, 2019 6:18 PM GMT
Angoose seemed confused in the op
Report Angoose October 30, 2019 6:28 PM GMT
What's confused about posting facts?
Report lfc1971 October 30, 2019 6:32 PM GMT
Nothing
Report peckerdunne October 30, 2019 7:09 PM GMT
can see plenty of protestants voting tactically to remain

Finucane will top
Report keen leader October 30, 2019 7:30 PM GMT
Finucane has little chance of unseating Dodds this time. in effect, I make Dodds a 1/9 shot.

There are realistically only 3 seats in the mix in Northern Ireland.

The most likely one to change is the one on Foyle where if the SDLP run a half decent campaign they will wrestle back their historic seat from Sinn Fein.

The second close contest will be Lady Hermon v the DUP in North Down. The DUP have been chipping away at her base in the last ten years and she is now very vulnerable, if anything I would favour the DUPer in this contest.

The third seat with a question mark is South Belfast, DUP/Pengally took the seat last time from SDLP. Although she has only about 30% of the first preference, as the sole Unionist in the race and with SDLP, Sinn Fein, Alliance and Green all slicing and dicing the rest of the vote, unless there is a pact(highly unlikely), then Pengally holds on.
Report peckerdunne October 30, 2019 7:39 PM GMT
Fair enough kl, i was under the impression that many on the ground,quietly,unimpressed with his position, and Arlene's stance.
Report mukdahan October 30, 2019 9:17 PM GMT
John Finucane is popular in the area i could see the seat being taken by him, Sinn Fein are excellent at getting there voters out and with it being held in December alot of Dodds older supporters may not get out to vote will be alot closer than you think.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 2:22 PM GMT
Let’s hope the good people of N Ireland and north Belfast remember the disgraceful behaviour of the republican Sinn Fein in helping the changes in law over abortion , against the wishes of their people ( and indeed the Protestant people )
Report MALAY November 2, 2019 2:53 PM GMT
What Unionist party is currently running all the drugs and prostitution in the 6 counties ? I know it changes hands regularly.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 3:22 PM GMT
deary me, more dishonest reporting from our Irish friends
I can assure you there is no unionist party involved in prostitution or drugs
Don’t believe them , no , no don’t believe that sort of nonsense
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 3:26 PM GMT
Now here are the facts , republican Sinn Fein allowed and helped the introduction of the new abortion laws in N Ireland
Remember that Catholic people in N Ireland , in North Belfast
Don’t forget that
Report MALAY November 2, 2019 3:27 PM GMT
Of course they are ya fool, they are up to their necks with numerous loyalist murder gangs, in fact many are ex members, who terrorised their own communities to fill their pockets, they were worse to their own thick orange walk followers that the provisionals ever where. The whole thing loyalist fighting the IRA was a sham to protect their criminal enterprises.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 3:29 PM GMT
I suggest you fk up about the loyalists , that’s got nothing to do with you
And worry more about the terrorist murderers Sinn Fein voted into power by the republicans  , thanks
Report MALAY November 2, 2019 3:50 PM GMT
The truth hurts ! you know what these scumbags done to their own communities, everybody knows, the DUP and the rest of the loyalist parties have always been inextricably linked to death squads, (UVF,LVF,UDA, red hand commandos) who peddled muck to their own communities and ran prostitutes of both sexes.

Btw Republican Sinn Fein and Sinn Fein are 2 different organisations and I agree Sinn Fein were behind abortion change throughout Ireland and I also disagree with that stance too.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 3:56 PM GMT
Malay don’t try that sh1te , Sinn Fein and the provisional IRA are the same thing
Now no ones fooled , they were responsible for the murder of innocent men women and children
Both n N Ireland and in Britain
Now they have been voted into power  , stop preaching
When people who do that start to preach something within me starts to laugh , and jeer
Report MALAY November 2, 2019 4:57 PM GMT
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/dup-held-series-of-meetings-w...
Report MALAY November 2, 2019 4:59 PM GMT
"Sinn Fein and the provisional IRA are the same thing"

in the past they were, not now, Mary Lou has no IRA background, the war is over and so is the other activities, has been for a good while.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 5:13 PM GMT
Really ? That doesn’t impress me , I insist on being unimpressed by that
I suppose that’s progess , As long as she respects the democratic referendum and doesn’t threaten violence
Report MALAY November 2, 2019 5:44 PM GMT
so you are not impressed that the PIRA Don't exist anymore in any shape or form ? well can't help you then, you seem a strange individual.
Good luck, I'm out.
Report sageform November 2, 2019 5:45 PM GMT
For once I would be cheering them on so long as they don't take up their seats.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 5:51 PM GMT
That’s what happens when you try to discuss things with the Irish and republicians , No I  m not impressed that that Sinn Féin / IRA stopped bombing and murdering innocent men women and children
No Malay I don’t think they deserve a pat on the head for that , sorry
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 6:00 PM GMT
You see there is a difference in being glad that the bombings and murder has stopped
And being impressed with the bombers and murderers who have stopped bombing and murdering

Too difficult to understand Malay ?
Report MALAY November 2, 2019 6:18 PM GMT
you started it we finished it.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 6:23 PM GMT
Hmmm , I feel how little that concerns me , the world doesn’t revolve around the Irish
Try and behave ,and try and understand that
Report pa lapsy November 2, 2019 6:53 PM GMT
You seem to have a very unhealthy attitude though re the Irish,almost bordering on an obcession,even in the rugby when they got knocked out you lost the run of yourself.
The dup might keep you in the EU,be grateful.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 7:07 PM GMT
Now now pl , I’m sure all Ireland was supporting England todayHappy
Report pa lapsy November 2, 2019 7:15 PM GMT
Most people would be for the team that played best, nice bit of karma you are getting tho,green and gold schooled you today and the dup changing sides(lol).
Malay was bang on in his posts and whether you are simply on the wind up,it is academic,you will never acknowledge facts and that is your fallacy.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 7:20 PM GMT
You see here we go again
Here’s a little fact for you pl ....
Most peope in Ireland would not be for the team that played best , they wouldn’t give two hoots about that
Stop talking sh1te !
Report pa lapsy November 2, 2019 7:25 PM GMT
Yes,maybe you are right, when people like yourself start banging on and on,they would be secretly deep down delighted you got stuffed.
Report pa lapsy November 2, 2019 7:27 PM GMT
In fact if every English person was like yourself they would be roaring for SA.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2019 7:28 PM GMT
Grin there now , that’s better   I prefer people to be honest
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 10:05 AM GMT
The Ulster Unionist Party have decided not to run against Nigel Dodds in north Belfast
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 10:08 AM GMT
The SDLP have decided not to contest , giving Sinn Fein / IRA a free run
Report MALAY November 5, 2019 2:37 PM GMT
The PIRA do no exist in any shape or form you fool and troublemaker, anymore of your inflammatory comments and you will need to be removed from this forum. Now behave.
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 3:18 PM GMT
I suggest you moderate your language Malay
You see it’s your opinion that the IRA no longer exists , I disagree
And so does any sensible unbiased person.
I watched the bbc news programme a few nights ago , and it said that old members of the provisional IRA were engaged in training up young men near the border , in how to use weapons and explosives etc .
Also , have we had anyone charged and convicted as yet for that young female reporter killed earlier this year by the IRA
No , not yet , and yet the IRA lives freely even now in these communities ,Sinn Fein knows what is going on  and are still connected to Sinn Fein
That’s my opinion , I don’t believe anything you might say on the matter , so you can pipe down and stop issuing threats
I know you might find that difficult
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 3:25 PM GMT
By the way the person the bbc interviewed was an informer ( he was Irish from Derry ) and had been a very close associate of maginness , the ex IRA and Sinn Féin leader
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 3:29 PM GMT
Perhaps you would want him stopped from talking to the BBC as well ?
Report MALAY November 5, 2019 3:30 PM GMT
"maginness , the ex IRA and Sinn Féin leader"

never heard of the guy you refer to.
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 3:31 PM GMT
Whatever , I’m not particularly interested in your bigoted and biased viewpoint anyway
Report peckerdunne November 5, 2019 3:36 PM GMT
The touts are everywhere 71, the world and it's granny know that.

That's how the corrupt Tory British Governments work.

It's filthy services still withhold the truth and to be honest it is so bad i don't think i really want to know the full truth of who they bought and used whilst carrying out their shoot to kill policies, their internment and double agents who ran free of the law.
Report MALAY November 5, 2019 3:37 PM GMT
away and take you're medication and have a sleep.
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 3:40 PM GMT
The guy was an ex British soldier from Derry  ,a Catholic  he joined in the 1960s on leaving school
In the 70s or 80s I’m not sure he went back to Derry and worked undercover , very close to Mc Guinness
I believe him
Report MALAY November 5, 2019 3:47 PM GMT
go and get you're nurse to attend to you.
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 3:49 PM GMT
The programme was called Hardtalk ( on the bbc 24 hr news channels)
Was a few nights ago maybe a week or so

If anyone sensible is interested
Report Kelly November 5, 2019 6:14 PM GMT
Regarding who people were supporting last Saturday it was interesting to see the reaction nationwide .  Those interviewed in Wales were supporting South Africa , those interviewed in Scotland were supporting South Africa , those interviewed in Northern Ireland were supporting England . Ponder on that .

Not really surprising that those interviewed in Belfast were supporting England , any nationalists interviewed would probably not know anything about Sweet Chariot as they follow hurling , gaelic football and soccer ( Man U , Liverpool , and Glasgow Celtic) before any interest in rugby .

Proves you need to know your audience before drawing any conclusions re opinions .

England just underperformed , victims possibly of their own hype engendered by supporters and media .
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 6:39 PM GMT
Interesting conclusion there Kelly

And what do you put Ireland , Wales and Scotland’s failure down to
A lack of hype from the media and supporters ?
Report peckerdunne November 5, 2019 8:04 PM GMT
In the south i was supporting England, in part because my son is English and i had a good life there, but also because the Saffer brand of rugby is brutal.

Those countries 71 were not good enough.

England entered the final as massive FAVS, they choked and performed miserably.
Report Kelly November 5, 2019 8:20 PM GMT
Re rugby , Ireland were beaten by Japan , and are about 5 players away from being top class.  Scotland are not as good as Ireland on an average day for both.  Wales are not as good as England , were lucky against France who played with 14 for most of the match . Wales vs South Africa was one of the worst rugby matches any of us have seen , England ( and the media ) obviously saw that match and concluded they only had to turn out to win the World Cup .

People draw conclusions which do not always work out in practice .  One of the reasons that the Betfair ( original anyway ) model worked so well .
Report MALAY November 5, 2019 10:09 PM GMT
There isn't that many people play rugby in Scotland, it's very much a minority sport. They probably punch above their weight considering this, at International level.

I come from the west of Scotland and don't know anybody who has ever taken part in an official Rugby match, even school or amateur, never mind professional.

Even in pubs very few watch it or even know the rules.
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 10:23 PM GMT
What about football ?
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2019 11:10 PM GMT
BBC newsnight tonight , the murder of that young female journalist by the IRA
The scum in that community are complicate in that murder
No one had been convicted for that murder
Watch that programme
Report MALAY November 6, 2019 9:45 AM GMT
What about football ?

National team poor just now, I'd say there are more people playing presently than ever too.

It's difficult to put a finger on it's  decline, as the top English teams in the past had loads of Scots.

Strachan got pillored for talking about genes recently. I'm not sure he was wrong, the black players in English, Dutch, French, Belgium football have had a positive impact on the national team over the years, their athleticism is a big asset.

There is not a lot of black people in Scotland, don't know why, maybe the national team miss their natural power and pace.


Dissident republicans do not have the support of the community, they should disband immediately,destroy their weapons and participate in peaceful processes to achieve their political aims.
Report peckerdunne November 6, 2019 9:00 PM GMT
In 1971 Belfast, 14 nationalists were interned without trial - Francie McGuigan and Liam Shannon amongst them. They claim their British Army captors placed hoods on their heads and beat and tortured them for the following seven days. The `Hooden Men" suffered long-term psychological damage and they are still seeking justice today.
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