Politics
October 2019 2.78
November 2019 2.52
December 2019 6.8
2020 or later 10.0
Oct 22, 2019 -- 2:05PM, OnePercenter wrote:
Read back a few of your posts and see how negative you are about Boris' ability to win
Lol, we were talking about the London mayoral election.
October 1000.0
November 60.0 (should really be 1000.0)
December 2.74
2020 or later 1.58
make bj crash it
then hold election
different gravy, innit
The prime minister's chief aide Dominic Cummings is behind the renewed drive for an election, but other senior aides, cabinet ministers, and Tory MPs are opposed.
Behind the scenes in Downing Street, a battle is raging between Boris Johnson’s chief aide Dominic Cummings, other senior Number 10 officials, and Conservative ministers and MPs over what to do now that his attempt to crash his Brexit legislation through Parliament has failed.
The divide in the Johnson camp can be traced back to the failure of Cummings’ initial attempt to get an election after the Benn Law was passed.
It was at this point that Johnson’s top team, already at loggerheads over aggressive briefings to the media from the Vote Leave wing and the robust treatment by Cummings of some government aides, fractured.
You can read the full article here, very worthwhile five minutes of your time.
and polls suggest they will struggle to get a majority in own right. dup were easy allies but bj has
chit in that nest.
October 1000.0
November 85.0
December 2.84
2020 or later 1.55
October 1000.0
November 300.0
December 2.9
2020 or later 1.45
labour mps get hassle from bbc whilst tories are allowed to
read prepared scripts.
corbyn will perform in an election as he offers what folk want
to match labour spending whilst never spending, but still borrowing
to plug the hole left by this brexit torpor
I continue to be impressed with this guy, appears very switched on and gets his points across extremely well.
Surveying what was said earlier in the debate by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to me it felt like a speech made from a parallel universe, to be quite frank, with no resemblance to what I see happening on the streets of my city and my constituency. Looking at the pain and the hurt visited on this country by this Government, we see an act of deliberate and calculated economic sabotage. In fact, it is an act of economic and social vandalism by this Government.
There have been 10 lost years in which wages have stagnated, or are lower than they were 10 years ago. That fed into a recent report by Menu for Change—an alliance between Oxfam Scotland, the Poverty Alliance, the Child Poverty Action Group Scotland and Nourish Scotland—which showed that people are facing severe despair. I see such despair in my constituency surgeries week after week. People are emaciated, starving, and struggling to feed their children. They feel humiliated and suffer from poor mental health as a result of the anguish they face and the problems visited on them by this Government.
This is not a joke or something that can be theorised; this is experienced week in, week out. I have seen it in the cuts to disability allowance. My constituency is the worst affected in Scotland, and the change from disability allowance to the personal independence payment is affecting my constituents who lose £1.9 million in disability benefits every year as a result. In some constituencies that are already on the breadline, the effects of that lost income is causing a mini-recession.
The report by Menu for Change highlighted that hunger is increasingly a feature of our communities in a way that it has not been since the creation of the welfare state 70 years ago, and people are increasingly becoming suicidal with despair because of the impact it is having. The solution is not food banks or more food—a lack of food is not the problem; the source of the problem is a lack of income. We must get more money into people’s pockets to solve the problem, and the Government have fundamentally failed to address that issue. Child poverty and the impact of universal credit are related. The biggest achievement of the previous Labour Government was to reduce child poverty by record levels, from 3 million children living in poverty in 1998 to 1.6 million in 2010. This Government’s austerity policies have reversed that achievement, and child poverty now stands at 4.1 million. That shameful epitaph hangs over this Conservative Government in their dying days, and they should feel the shame of that as they try to make their case for forming the next Government.
The Government’s policies on the future of the European Union are an act of economic sabotage. In my constituency the largest single employer, Allied Vehicles, is a fantastic example of industry and entrepreneurialism. It was created in a community that had suffered significant deindustrialisation, and the business grew from having just a few employees in the 1990s to now employing 700 people in skilled, well-paid jobs. It is the largest importer of Peugeot, Citroen, Ford, Volkswagen and Mercedes vehicles in the UK. It converts them into wheelchair accessible vehicles, and it has the largest market share of wheelchair accessible car production in Europe. It is scared that in a no-deal scenario, or if the transition period ends before a customs union or free trade deal is agreed, under World Trade Organisation terms its products will face a 10% levy on exports from the UK to the EU. That is more than the total margin on its sales, and it will stop that export business dead in its tracks. That business is projected to create another 200 jobs in my constituency by 2025, and to increase vehicle production from 500 to 3,800 per year.
That is the economic vandalism I speak of when I look at this Government’s policies on the European Union, and it is directly related to my constituency. Such vandalism is utterly shameful, and when we try to get clarity, there is none. This Government are not fit to hold office—they must go, and go quickly.
Very impressive.
Oct 25, 2019 -- 11:09AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
It is a pleasure to follow my constituency neighbour, the hon. Member for Glasgow East (David Linden), in this debate on the Queen’s Speech.Surveying what was said earlier in the debate by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to me it felt like a speech made from a parallel universe, to be quite frank, with no resemblance to what I see happening on the streets of my city and my constituency. Looking at the pain and the hurt visited on this country by this Government, we see an act of deliberate and calculated economic sabotage. In fact, it is an act of economic and social vandalism by this Government.There have been 10 lost years in which wages have stagnated, or are lower than they were 10 years ago. That fed into a recent report by Menu for Change—an alliance between Oxfam Scotland, the Poverty Alliance, the Child Poverty Action Group Scotland and Nourish Scotland—which showed that people are facing severe despair. I see such despair in my constituency surgeries week after week. People are emaciated, starving, and struggling to feed their children. They feel humiliated and suffer from poor mental health as a result of the anguish they face and the problems visited on them by this Government.This is not a joke or something that can be theorised; this is experienced week in, week out. I have seen it in the cuts to disability allowance. My constituency is the worst affected in Scotland, and the change from disability allowance to the personal independence payment is affecting my constituents who lose £1.9 million in disability benefits every year as a result. In some constituencies that are already on the breadline, the effects of that lost income is causing a mini-recession.The report by Menu for Change highlighted that hunger is increasingly a feature of our communities in a way that it has not been since the creation of the welfare state 70 years ago, and people are increasingly becoming suicidal with despair because of the impact it is having. The solution is not food banks or more food—a lack of food is not the problem; the source of the problem is a lack of income. We must get more money into people’s pockets to solve the problem, and the Government have fundamentally failed to address that issue. Child poverty and the impact of universal credit are related. The biggest achievement of the previous Labour Government was to reduce child poverty by record levels, from 3 million children living in poverty in 1998 to 1.6 million in 2010. This Government’s austerity policies have reversed that achievement, and child poverty now stands at 4.1 million. That shameful epitaph hangs over this Conservative Government in their dying days, and they should feel the shame of that as they try to make their case for forming the next Government.The Government’s policies on the future of the European Union are an act of economic sabotage. In my constituency the largest single employer, Allied Vehicles, is a fantastic example of industry and entrepreneurialism. It was created in a community that had suffered significant deindustrialisation, and the business grew from having just a few employees in the 1990s to now employing 700 people in skilled, well-paid jobs. It is the largest importer of Peugeot, Citroen, Ford, Volkswagen and Mercedes vehicles in the UK. It converts them into wheelchair accessible vehicles, and it has the largest market share of wheelchair accessible car production in Europe. It is scared that in a no-deal scenario, or if the transition period ends before a customs union or free trade deal is agreed, under World Trade Organisation terms its products will face a 10% levy on exports from the UK to the EU. That is more than the total margin on its sales, and it will stop that export business dead in its tracks. That business is projected to create another 200 jobs in my constituency by 2025, and to increase vehicle production from 500 to 3,800 per year.That is the economic vandalism I speak of when I look at this Government’s policies on the European Union, and it is directly related to my constituency. Such vandalism is utterly shameful, and when we try to get clarity, there is none. This Government are not fit to hold office—they must go, and go quickly.
Sadly, the general public never hear of such speeches being made in parliament,
Instead, they are fed a diet of twenty second soundbites of the Punch and Judy show.
Oct 25, 2019 -- 11:15AM, politicspunter wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_SweeneyVery impressive.
Indeed so, parliament needs more of his type, regardless of which side of the chamber they sit on.
Should he lose out to the SNP in the general election, highly likely that he'd be put to work somewhere within the party.
not sure corbyn does the wrong thing, but as you point out
labour mps get hassle from bbc whilst tories are allowed to
read prepared scripts.
corbyn will perform in an election as he offers what folk want
So they interview peter kellner and he pushs the narratve labour trying to get rid of corbyn to get spring election,what a load of bollox the reason he said that is to get that election on monday,every single thing the BBC are doing is pushing the december election..I will be amazed if corbyn doesn't fall for it,complete suicide they way everythings been ****,postal votes,ids,reregister by december 1st could be 2 foot of snow on the ground in sciotland..I see asolutely no reason to have an election in december,the left will twist corbyns arm the betting should be the otherway round..
he has bj exactly where he wants him, and 3 more months of this will turn
the polls back a bit closer before an election.
This second element will likely manifest itself in the form of a WAB amendment to force an extension at the end of 2020 should a FTA not be in place.
My play would be firstly to make sure Brexit does not happen and certainly not by 31st October
Then target Dorris as a Liar and someone who promises but never delivers.
Make sure that Labour call a vote of No Confidence
Corbyn must form a Government and become Prime Minister
Stir up Nigel Fromage to get him to stand against the Broken Promise Tory Party.
Further to that set a Confirmatory Referendum up while they have a Remain Majority in Parliament.
Unfortunately I am not sure the impasse will be broken by a General Election so a decisive referendum is needed.
Yes this is not right and fair but neither was the Leave Campaign, the illegal financing of it and neither are the lying Tories being fair. Understand the rules you are playing by and fight fire with fire. He he puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue figuratively speaking that is!
Play Cummings at his own game....We need to get Brexit done...erm no we don't!
Jobs not ego's and personal ambition of Tory MP's is more important!
err....so why pull the bill dom?
Oct 25, 2019 -- 11:42AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
an extension to 31 jan does not take no deal off the table...
good, and nor should it.
prorogation, now pulling the bill
delay after delay after delay
October 1000.0
November 180.0
December 2.16
2020 or later 1.8
October 1000.0
November 160.0
December 1.78
2020 or later 2.2
So the whole extension would have been for nothing when they fail to vote a GE through. But no one will ask that obvious question NAP.
Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak
Govt likely to table similar bill to lib Dems and SNP tomorrow if they fail to get election tonight - no 10 source says they 'will introduce a bill almost identical to the Lib Dem-SNP bill and we will have a pre-Christmas election anyway'
"almost identical"
There's nothing getting in the way, the extension runs well past any GE date that can be set. If they fail to vote it through now you'll know its "making it up as they go along"
We'll then get two competing bills tomorrow.
Labour should seek to table an amendment to these to have the OBR latest analysis released.
That way, they get something out of it.
1 Protection from no deal
2 Don’t use it to ram through the WAB
3 Date of election must be explicit in Bill
yet again thats three times i've bet itkeep laying off then back it comes again..
Oct 28, 2019 -- 3:00PM, thegiggilo wrote:
Am on at 2syet again thats three times i've bet itkeep laying off then back it comes again..
In this incredibly volatile market, you are doing exactly the right thing in backing and then laying off.
No election this year or next
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Still a lot of Tory nervousness about a December election. As one minister put it to me late last week, ‘Who jumps out of bed on a cold December morning to vote for the government?’
A lot of nervousness on all sides, but appearing to be unstoppable now.
No chance Labour risk it
They can even vote down amendments to the bill.
Or am I missing something?
- agreed to ABSTAIN on election vote under FTPA tonight
- recognise a single line bill is likely to PASS anyway with Tory/ SNP/ LD support
- believe Labour MPs "aren't in a good place" on GE and will refuse to vote for it
No plan whatsoever if the above is true and accepetng the libdems bill..go figure
The only thing that saved Corbyn's skin was the disastrous performance of Theresa May at the last election.
They are going to get a right good kicking from the electorate and deservedly so.
They can kick this can down the road all through next year as well
Didn't see that one coming at all....
Oct 28, 2019 -- 7:08PM, jollyswagman wrote:
dom and co love pushing soundbites ad infinitum, bozo still saying 'get brexit done' which has probably been focus grouped even though it is completely fallacious.
Bozo constantly saying 'get brexit done' is becoming nauseating
When all they do is extend it once its close to "no deal" day, its gotten boring but they'll play this for next 5 years at least.
Robert Peston
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Three things. 1) Government may need to go for 12 Dec election because has to pass NI budget this week to keep schools and public services in province open, and LibDem’s 9 Dec would not give enough time before dissolution to pass that budget. 2) The PM will decide in just a few minutes that he cannot restart debate on his Brexit law, the Withdrawal Agreement Bill, before an election. He gave Labour and rebel Tory MPs till 6 to give him a pledge they would support the bill on truncated timetable. No sign of them doing that. And 3) there has been concern that any December election would be hugely difficult for campaigners, because new electoral roll is set to be introduced 4 December. However I am told Cabinet Office would take steps to speed up publication of new electoral roll
And we are far from an ideal world, and have a three and a half year old festering sore becoming more septic by the day
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Ministers are concerned that if they agree to Dec 9th election it will have just *three days* to get royal assent
Whips don't think it's possible to get one-line bill through in that time, especially if there's filibustering in the Lords
Hence tortuous negotiations over date
| Party | Aye | No | NVR | T - Ayes | T - Noes | Total |
| Conservative | 280 | 5 | 2 | 287 | ||
| Labour | 1 | 38 | 201 | 2 | 242 | |
| Scottish National Party | 35 | 35 | ||||
| Independent | 18 | 4 | 13 | 35 | ||
| Liberal Democrat | 18 | 1 | 19 | |||
| Democratic Unionist Party | 10 | 10 | ||||
| The Independent Group for Change | 5 | 5 | ||||
| Green Party | 1 | 1 | ||||
| Plaid Cymru | 4 | 4 | ||||
| Sinn F?in | 7 | 7 | ||||
| Deputy Speaker | 3 | 3 | ||||
| Speaker | 1 | 1 | ||||
| Grand Total | 299 | 70 | 276 | 2 | 2 | 649 |
https://youtu.be/lWkiwru0sfQ
