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Some porkies going on here. Is Boris dumb enough to buy it then watch her try to stop Brexit again from within the cabinet?
Hunt another ReMayner infiltrator.
Hunt another ReMayner infiltrator.
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Link please?
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wouldn't trust her an inch and in any case at the first hint of any funny business she'd be out straight away
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If you want to be in the gang ......
Amber Rudd yesterday dropped her opposition to a No Deal Brexit in a move that could see her appointed as Boris Johnson’s foreign secretary. The Work and Pensions Secretary – who led Cabinet opposition to leaving the EU without a deal earlier this year – said she now accepted it would be ‘part of the armoury’ in negotiations. The dramatic shift lifts the bar to her serving in a Cabinet led by Mr Johnson, who has said he will only appoint ministers to his top team if they are ‘reconciled’ to the possibility of a No Deal Brexit this autumn. Sources in Mr Johnson’s camp have suggested Miss Rudd could be rewarded with the post of foreign secretary if she softened her stance on No Deal. |
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boris is a bit dim but not even he,s dumb enough to give a top cabinet job to someone with a majority the size of the crowd in hastings weatherspoons on a tues afternoon,
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These tories just don't have any principles,how can she go from being adamant about there being no deal these people are so self srving it's unbelievable,never ever trust the tories..
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Boris be very careful when you consider cabinet posts...
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToBQ7weCBok 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPuOiIZ3w1E (1) is more worrying than (2). But (2) is personal and completely and utterly unacceptable. |
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I wonder how many of these will now drop by the wayside,no deal must be a cert now fall like a pack of cards..
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It depends what you read into this, there is many diff possibilities here, especially as the headline isn't exactly what she said, albeit I think she knew what she was saying would get quoted like this.
Ie. She basically said she accepted that no deal was part of the armoury going forward in the Brexit discussions. Is this just because the leadership challenge is going on and she doesn't want to undermine Hunt? Is this just because she's desperate to keep her job in cabinet against her morals? Is this like above but some kind of bluff to be an insider in cabinet? Is this because she views no deal as preferable to a Corbyn government? It's one of them, but who knows which. |
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There's also a very strange relationship between Boris and Rudd I don't quite get. One minute according to media they hate each other, and it's Rudd who leads the anyone but Boris brigade, the next it's talk of secret pacts between the two, and this keeps going round in circles, again not to the bottom of that either.
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Oh and Rory Stewart too.
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hunt is now saying we should leave by christmas, more delay by another **** torie, can you imagine that silly grin of hunts in brussels, he would be a laughing stock, boris to shut down parl and leave by oct 31st
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No chance parliament gets shut down, even Boris isn't that stupid.
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if its the only way to get brexit thru by oct 31st so be it, we cant have even more delay, like boris said not leavin no deal or a deal would erode trust in all parties
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No-one will be willing to pay that price even if you think anyone is willing to get the Queen involved in the first place.
You prorogue parliament, you cannot govern, you will desperately need to be able to govern in the event of a no deal or there will be chaos. No-one would be actually willing to go ahead with that knowing it will be their name attached to it. |
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Also that's just the tipping of the iceberg of the absolute crisis proroguing parliament would create. A constitutional crisis not seen before. Bercow is saying he would block it, though no-one seems to know what that actually means given it's the Queen ultimately with the power. The Queen has to actually grant it, does anyone really know if she will?
There would be certain legal challenges, as it's not remotely clear it's legal to use prorogation that way (to force something through against the will of parliament). There is just no-one that will be willing to pay that price, and it's hard to see how any PM doing it would last afterwards. |
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The next thing you know hammond will be doing a uturn,wonder what he thinks of rudd can't find any comments by him or any others against no deal..
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any new leader would have sacked hammond. far too closely aligned with may. the two of them without question the worst pm and chancellor duo ever
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Hammond is the most sensible person in the British Cabinet . One of the few able people in it doing a decent job given what is going on all around . That he is firmly convinced that a no deal Brexit would be inadvisable economically must irk the Brexiteers big time .The Chancellor has to know the figures , others in the Cabinet are not close to the figures on a daily basis . Do any of the Brexiteers believe he is completely wrong in his view ? He does seem to know what he is talking about , unlike a lot of his cabinet colleagues .
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n88uk • July 13, 2019 12:44 AM BST
Also that's just the tipping of the iceberg of the absolute crisis proroguing parliament would create. A constitutional crisis not seen before. Bercow is saying he would block it, though no-one seems to know what that actually means given it's the Queen ultimately with the power. The Queen has to actually grant it, does anyone really know if she will? You'd obviously do what the french did to their monarchs if they insist on seriously getting involved in sabotaging parliament. |
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The Queen has no say , she does as she’s told
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THe Brexit deal by Bojo will be carried by Labour MP's. Up to 40 will be at risk of losing their seats with Labour pushing for a 2nd referendum. Hammond has been the worst opposer of Brexit so when Bojo gets in he goes, big time.
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What deal is this?
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The deal Bojo will put before the government. A deal will be negotiated. Both sides want it. It may be a bastardised version of May's deal but there will be a deal.
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Boris wants no deal.
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No he doesn't. He is just keeping everything on the table to focus minds. Look how his not dismissing proroguing the parliament has so many mp's running around like headless chickens. That is exactly what will be happening in the EU.
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It's really not lad.
The EU are actually far more focused on Italy right now and coming to an agreement about their debt and structuring it. Brexit for them has already been agreed. If you think Boris is going to come in, then go on his summer hols and then magically negotiate a new deal in about 6 weeks you are deluded. His only chance of leaving on Halloween is convincing parliament to agree May's deal. That's it. No Deal won't pass. And if he wants his own deal he'll need more time and will have to give the EU a Damon good reason to extend again. But May's deal is it. He may be able to ds-1package it slightly but that's all. Question then is if enough MP's back it. Given Labour's position and the fact that opposition parties - from either side - can smell blood, I'd be doubtful. |
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PorcupineorPineapple
13 Jul 19 10:23 Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 8,099 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog It's really not lad. The EU are actually far more focused on Italy right now and coming to an agreement about their debt and structuring it. Brexit for them has already been agreed. If you think Boris is going to come in, then go on his summer hols and then magically negotiate a new deal in about 6 weeks you are deluded. His only chance of leaving on Halloween is convincing parliament to agree May's deal. That's it. No Deal won't pass. And if he wants his own deal he'll need more time and will have to give the EU a Damon good reason to extend again. But May's deal is it. He may be able to ds-1package it slightly but that's all. Question then is if enough MP's back it. Given Labour's position and the fact that opposition parties - from either side - can smell blood, I'd be doubtful. ^ 'No Deal' won't pass what? |
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PoP probably means no deal won't pass by a vote and if that's what he means I agree.
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The EU are probably laughing their heads off at the shambles of a dead end we have backed ourselves into.
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Yes, that's what I meant. It won't be allowed to be our official position, if that makes it clearer.
Parliament will never vote for it and will vote to block it at the appropriate time. That much is clear. |
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By the narrowest of margins, the House of Commons voted in favor of legislation which forces the UK government to request another extension to the Brexit process. The bill, which passed by 313 votes to 312, seeks to prevent Prime Minister Theresa May yanking the UK out of the European Union without an agreed deal.4 Apr 2019
With so many Labour MP's looking down the barrel of a Brexit gun and losing their seats the numbers may change to support a no-deal. But I think the witholding of funds to the EU unless a deal is agreed may sharpen the EU minds considering their current lack of financial growth in 2017.18 and 19 and the inability of other countries to replace our contributions. |
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Just gonna print a few billion. Problem solved.
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So in effect you are saying that Conservatives in remain constituencies will oppose any deal?
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Funnily enough, there are reports that many governments in the EU are quite chillaxed at the prospect of a no-deal because they, super arrogantly, expect the UK to come back begging within mere weeks.
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so rude
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Brig, if you've paid any attention in the last few months you'd realise the pressure on Labour seats is coming squarely from the remain side. That's where they're fighting their battles and where they are heading towards.
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