its all over

i feel for the 47 mps who have said they will not vote for a referendum or revoke..the pressure on them now will be doubled..there numbers don't add up in this parliament..so a GE will decide brexit...labour are now a party of the south with a few cities in the north...the sad thing for me more than anything is the utter frustration people feel with labour now being the lib dems ...all the people who need a labour government will now not get it.

LOL...

Very sad to see the decline of the trade union movement in this country. What was once a radical force now just seems to be an outlet for left liberal frustration with Britain’s working class.

https://twitter.com/blue_labour

Costas Lapavitsas masterclass on Syriza and Labour: “Syriza basically promised all sorts of things to the Greek people, didn’t deliver them, changed completely and became a pro-EU party, and therefore followed policies that were dictated by EU conditions”


https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1148343517594435584    watch this....the facts the same for labour now.. costas explains.

The Red Flag has been replaced by the EU flag. The bosses have beaten the workers. Labour’s capitulation to the Remain establishment could be the beginning of the end for my party, writes @BrendanChilton

Blue Labour is just for reactionaries who love trade unions

blue labour is a pressure group inside the party to support WC and policies... it stands for family community, and country, its affiliated with trade unions... but is a small number of supporters..4-5k

Disappointing. There was me thinking the thread title referred to Brexit.

The original post I don't think is meant to be taken seriously.

Absolute rubbish. Labour Leave might as well be Tory leave account.

Labour have never supported either no deal or bad Tory Brexit, what is the big change today? Something like 5 backed May's deal at last count, and like 8 maybe were ok with no deal? So the overwhelming majority have always been against these options, their manifesto always rejected these options, if you aren't for these options you've got to be for something else, ie. another ref or remain.

possibly 100 MPs will lose their seats

That's it lads you'll lose your job and your are prepared to sell out the labour movment by pandering to  shtloads of extreme right voters, TO SAVE YOUR EFFIN JOB.

Here's some what aboutery. What about all the fine Labour people who voted remain, Out of love of the working class who need to live in a country that's not been ruined.

melv..your brainwashed mate.....you are factually incorrect..but that no surprise..

as for a tory leave account..its idiots like you who haven't a clue what a socialist is ..i,d get educated before passing judgement on people who have been members for 30-50yrs and i understand you might not remember but labour were eurosceptic till the 89 election...you believe no one who wants to leave can be a labour supporter...

What way does freedom of movement improve wages in a developed country.

The only time wages have risen drastically in this country was after the plague,the first world war ,and the second world war when there was a shortage of manpower.
Labour are con artists.

I never cease to be baffled by folks who believe that future parliament representation will be decided solely by whether you supported leave/remain.

https://twitter.com/josephafrane

My Labour Membership & Unite Union as well as Momentum have been cancelled.
Democracy has been betrayed.
I am very disappointed with Corbyn whom I thought he was a leaver.
I have already paid for the Brighton Labour Annual Conference but use it to support the party.
I am very sad

Parties are best getting rid of members who only are interested in one policy, they are only there to cause trouble rather than contribute to the party as a whole.

.labour are now a party of the south with a few cities in the north...

As a Lancashire lad I proclaim that Manchester and Liverpool are the greatest cities in the north; if not in the entire nation ( London is not an English city its a different planer...I love it).


And Manchester and Liverpool are staunchly remain, what about the good and true Labour supporters in those great cites. Nowt to you. You would rather boo hoo for a bunch of blackmailing Farage fans. Who would happily note right wing. I say let the children play.

Jul 9, 2019 -- 6:02PM, tony57 wrote:

melv..your brainwashed mate.....you are factually incorrect..but that no surprise..as for a tory leave account..its idiots like you who haven't a clue what a socialist is ..i,d get educated before passing judgement on people who have been members for 30-50yrs and i understand you might not remember but labour were eurosceptic till the 89 election...you believe no one who wants to leave can be a labour supporter...

I have never said the last line. I have said you will never get a socialist Labour Brexit as the whole project is funded by right wing groups, so the left Brexit is absolute fantasy that doesn't exist.

There is never even an argument for how you will get a socialist Brexit, the hindrance to socialism is from within and society as a whole rather than from being in the EU.

Here's some history for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05d8hlNC8eY

The media in particular is generally fiercely hostile towards socialism because unsurprisingly it's funded mostly by capitalists.

Venezuela

politicspunter    09 Jul 19 18:08 
I never cease to be baffled by folks who believe that future parliament representation will be decided solely by whether you supported leave/remain.


Yep it's utter nonsense that's populism for you though conquer and dividethe sooner trump pops ghis clogs the better..

Can launch your socialist experiment when the USA has come around to socialism. Until then you can try being Scandinavia.

Greater Manchester Brexit vote,8 Districts voted to leave and 3 voted to remain.

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        with respect , you haven't a clue what your talking about..i've argued with people on here over tax, housing welfare all major issues...brexit is the most important ATM..i wonder why? couldn't be that 635 mps voted to ask the public to decide whether to stay or leave the eu? the people didn't ask for it?it was forced upon us?..it was a binary choice ..one way or another...the people voted..the MPS stabbed the people in the back...it was called DEMOCRACY..might not mean much to you...but some of us cherish it.

Tony, you have fallen into the trap of assuming Brexit is the only question that matters in a general election. Try asking the Brexit candidate at Peterborough if that's true or the UKIP one at Newport West.

And as far as the next election to Westminster is concerned, at Brecon, would you vote for a convicted criminal? I wouldn't and wouldn't give a hoot where he/she stood on Brexit or which party they represented. I also wouldn't vote for any single issue party.

Not forgetting the radnor one coming up as well...

Quite

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        until brexit is sorted we cannot sort out the NHS rail water etc..it has poisoned the politics of the country...of course other issues will be talked and fought over everyday? but brexit is about our political class doing as they are told..they are only lent their power until the voters take it away..if labour had just followed their manifesto of 2017 we would be fine. i assure you unless brexit is sorted we wont get back too normal.

I will tell you what I would be asking the candidates....

What are you going to do about rural bus services and transport for schoolchildren?
What are you going to do to collect litter and cut down on plastic pollution damaging our rural community, farms and wildlife?
What are you going to do about providing better ambulance cover to the nearest A and E department and how can you improve the waiting times there?

Schools, NHS, public transport, the environment- issues that matter to me but clearly not to you.

again..wow..could you not read or get what i mean? never mind....

I get what you mean just fine. You have become so obsessed with Brexit that the things that really matter are obsolete.

There is a very simple thing here. You can't claim to be a socialist then vote Brexit Party and Nigel Farage, these things simply aren't compatible.

Or read spiked magazine,not unless you don't uderstand the soul purpose of what spiked is mean't to do...

"Supporting a second referendum signals the end of Labour’s chances of winning the next general election" – @BrendanChilton writes


https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-second-referendum_uk_5d24b936e4b0cfb595fc9e1c?ncid=other_twitter_cooo9wqtham&utm_campaign=share_twitter

now brendan who wrote for spiked..now writes for huffpost? is he now a socialist? read the article..educate yourself about facts ..not fantasy..

Wonderful article on @HuffPostUK by my colleague Brendan.

We have deserted our Leave voters & traditional working-class supporters.

'Deserted' is the right word.

https://twitter.com/John_Mills_JML one of labours biggest donners chairman of labour leave fought the referendum in 75 with benn, castle, shore, the heath tories took us in...., thatcher made the single market, major signed maastricht , and yet some think the eu is not a conservative ideal no its the socialists who are not socialists..

If you are truly socialist you wouldn't be swayed solely on Brexit like that article makes out, and you certainly would not be voting Nigel Farage's Brexit Party.

The constant making out of a u-turn is absolutely nonsense, there is no u-turn, it was literally in the 2017 Labour manifesto the Labour government rejects no deal and a bad Conservative Brexit, again today they reiterated they are against these 2 things and will back a referendum and remain against them.

It also focuses way too much on the very basic premise of a Labour constituency voted leave = the voters voted leave. The data shows this isn't true, Labour's voters lean towards remain everywhere, so saying 70% of their constituencies voted leave is way too basic, how did the actual Labour voters vote in those constituencies. Given numbers I remember seeing when I saw this show 70% leave seats it was like 55% leave of actual Labour voters I would guess the number is way lower than 70% of constituencies did the Labour voters vote leave.

The icing on the cake might be at the end though where it talks about Labour always being for among other things factory workers, you have to be not on this planet to think Brexit will be good for factory workers, it will be disastrous for them.

n88uk, i saw most of the data labour leave got..it worked out 65% voted remain 35% voted leave labour voters on the day..your way out about leave constituencies in those WC voters voted 3/1 for leave, labour voters in some cases were 2/1..but not all WC vote labour..(they used too) but it wont matter now...

The data shows Labour voters leaned towards remain everywhere, obviously the more leave the area, the more likely they were to be leave. It would also be interesting to know what portion of those that voted leaver and Labour support no deal or the Tory Brexit deal so far, as that will be an even lower number. I mean those who voted Labour and support no deal pretty much must have not paid any attention to Labour's manifesto last election.

Labour could never win an election anyway with enabling a tory brexit,this way they might just keep it to a minority government i gace up on labour winning an election months ago..Johnson will leave with no deal,then you can see for yourself what a tory johnson brexit looks like,come back in twelve months and say how great it's working out for everyone especially for the north,let's see how happy they are and how their lives have been improved...

Can launch your socialist experiment when the USA has come around to socialism.


The American left are amazing. (Always have been; see Paul Robeson) There's just not enough of them. watch this.... is was in tears of joy and admiration many times watching this. Hope you can get Netflix, or watch your mates.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGZc8ZjFY4

Greater Manchester Brexit vote,8 Districts voted to leave and 3 voted to remain.


Deliberate attempt to grossly mislead. I was talking about the great city of Manchester.

Greater Manchester and The city of Manchester are absolutely not the same thing.

MANCHESTER SHOWED FARAGE HIS ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

and thats a fact.

POSSIBLY THE BEST POLITICS THREAD EVER. IN TERMS OF ACTUAL POLITICS. WELL DONE EVERYONE. ESPECIALLY TONY. HOPE YOU ARE A REAL SOCIALIST. IF YOU ARE WE WILL GET YOU TO SEE THE LIGHT. IF YOU ARE STAYING WITH SPIKED AND ACCEPT THE WORKING CLASS VOTING WITH FARAGE. KEEP UP THE PROVOCATION. IT PUTS THE REST OF US IN A  VERY GOOD LIGHT.

Re AOC. One million views since April only for an American socialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGZc8ZjFY4

tony57 • July 9, 2019 10:08 PM BST
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        until brexit is sorted we cannot sort out the NHS

Why not?

I would've assumed the NHS of all things is the big beneficiary of EU membership. Keeping prices down and stuff.

Jul 9, 2019 -- 10:53PM, tony57 wrote:

"Supporting a second referendum signals the end of Labour’s chances of winning the next general election" – @BrendanChilton writeshttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-second-referendum_uk_5d2... brendan who wrote for spiked..now writes for huffpost? is he now a socialist? read the article..educate yourself about facts ..not fantasy..

Would have thought that someone who appears to be quite radical in their politics would see the danger in allying with fash sympathisers to get their goals but clearly not

Disaster capitalists who want to ruin workers rights, unions and everything you stand for more than a flawed EU does.

The backers of Spiked and every internet reactionary want to perpetuate this culture war to distract from what is going on

Jul 10, 2019 -- 4:55AM, melv wrote:

Can launch your socialist experiment when the USA has come around to socialism.The American left are amazing. (Always have been; see Paul Robeson) There's just not enough of them. watch this.... is was in tears of joy and admiration many times watching this. Hope you can get Netflix, or watch your mates.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGZc8ZjFY4

Knock Down The House was a great watch

Tears of joy? That's the problem with the left emotion eclipses reality.

Will you be supporting boris or hunt, flush?

Tears of joy? That's the problem with the left emotion eclipses reality.

What a vacuous comment.

Watch knock the house down if you have normal human emotions. Enjoy.

An American Socialist has a million views since April already. With many many more to come. Thats reality. And the right wing are terrified.

AOC. One million views since April only. For an American socialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGZc8ZjFY4