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New opinion research poll has Con 8 ahead.
New opinion research poll has Con 8 ahead.
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Hahaha 'confused' - saying the same thing, same plan over and over is now confusing hahaha.
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So,what is the plan ?
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A permanent and comprehensive customs union with the EU;
Close alignment with the Single Market; Dynamic alignment on rights and protections; Commitments on participation in EU agencies and funding programmes; Unambiguous agreements on the detail of future security arrangements. |
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And how is he going to achieve that with an EU that has been obstructive, just by talking or caving in repeatedly ? Sounds more like Remain to most people and he would command more respect by admitting it.
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treetop, why are you on here asking people policy questions then criticise them when they help you?
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I am not criticising them pp, just pointing out the naivety that Corbyn is taking the easy route standing back,not offering much but easy platitudes, instead of working with the govt to get a reasonable solution to the referendum choice. We can easily say we can talk to the EU and claim a solution but the EU have consistently blocked any reasonable approach by the govt and May,for all of her faults,has shown incredible resilience trying to steer a path through an absolute minefield.I see the only path as a No Deal that should have been prepared for long ago but feel the EU is going to dump this on us when our civil service and negativity in Westminster has left us high and dry.
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Perhaps May has now eventually realised the folly of calling an unnecessary general election? Perhaps she should have resigned immediately the result was known? Perhaps she should have discussed matters earlier with Corbyn rather than the ERG or DUP? Perhaps...
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That decision will go down as her worst choice,wounded herself unnecessarily. Tip for you pp for fun, Canvassed at Kempton tonight,a knocking bet.
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I don't do horses normally but thanks anyway. I will be having a bet on the Grand National though!
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You said he was confused. Then you asked for his plan. I gave you a reason why he does not sound confused at all and then gave you his plan.
Whether the EU would negotiate with his plan is up for debate but that is an entirely different issue of course. |
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you hadnt seen the plan, lol but have a prepared reply when its posted... quite layghable unless you now wish to play the only trolling card ... |
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Not really Donny,I hadn't seen the plan but it seems to be made up as he goes along to suit the media appeal. Even he has contradicted Starmer at times, Anyway my emotions are all more affable after lumping on the 6-45 and a 0-3 win tonight,even though that league 1 footie is gruesome to watch.
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always nice to back a winner!
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If Labour do force a General Election, they might get smashed. I believe that Mrs May lost at least a million votes by revoking the fixed term Parliament Act last time as the public widely support it. If either party trigger a Parliamentary vote (they need 66% of MP's in favour) to revoke it again they will lose votes.
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she didnt revoke the act, she operated within the act.
she lost votes through her dreadful campaign of taxing the old and the dead |
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and supporting foxhunting.
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CON: 32% (-4)
LAB: 31% (-2) LDEM: 12% (+1) UKIP: 7% (+3) BREX: 5% (-) GRN: 4% (-) via @YouGov, 02 - 03 Apr Chgs. w/ 25 Mar Highest LibDem figure for 12 years apparently. |
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13% for UKIP/BREXIT is highest for a while?
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As the Newport by election highlighted, all these anti brexit parties are doing is splitting the leave vote and allowing the remainer to win more easily in closely fought constituencies.
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Why the sudden Lib Dem surge, people not trusting Labour's Brexit approach?
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A clear remain option in an uncertain, untrustworthy political world.
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How do SNP currently poll in Scotland?
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https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/area_scot.html
This is the best seat by seat guide for Scotland. |
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37% turnout is an ominous sign of the public view of all of them. The majority of voters refused to vote for any of the candidates on the ballot. That could happen in a General Election imo.
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37% is ok for a by election. Usual stuff, apathy, poor weather, one party big favourite to win.
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Shadow boxing.
Read nothing into the result. Everybody wants to see the back of the Brexit humiliation, only a referendum can settle it. It's the issue overhanging politics until we lance the boil and drain the poison. If the result of a referendum was certain, we wouldn't need it, but the sight of Leavers running scared and praying for the final whistle is cringeworthy. |
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By-election Turnout %
Manchester Central by-election, 2012 18.2% Leeds Central by-election, 1999 19.6% Shoreditch and Finsbury by-election, 1958 24.9% Wigan by-election, 1999 25.0% Tottenham by-election, 2000 25.4% Cardiff South and Penarth by-election, 2012 25.7% Batley and Spen by-election, 2016 25.8% Newham South by-election, 1974 25.9% Middlesbrough by-election, 2012 26.0% Croydon North by-election, 2012 26.5% West Bromwich West by-election, 2000 27.6% Feltham and Heston by-election, 2011 28.8% Preston by-election, 2000 29.6% Kensington and Chelsea by-election, 1999 29.7% |
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stoke on trent 2017 by election 165% .....nuttall 103% swing
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Welsh Westminster voting intention: LAB: 33% (-2) CON: 26% (-3) PC: 15% (+1) CHUK: 9% (+9) LDEM: 7% (+1) BREX: 4% (+4) UKIP: 3% (-3) Even in wales this tigs party getting 9%,looks like the good old brits are settling for the middle of the road yet again,may as wekl get blair back.. |
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Same Wales pattern as before. Labour and Tories down, Plaid and LibDem up. Brexit and UKIP parties splitting the leave vote effectively nullifying their impact. CHUK at 9% is significant but can they maintain that support at elections? So far they have refused to stand for re-election in their own constituencies and didn't put forward a candidate for the Newport by election.
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This is wales though not england,if this is a growing trend its back to centre ground politucs and goodbye labour which at the moment looks ominous,been the same since the beginning of time in the uk nothing ever changes the status quo remains.
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rocking all over the world!
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how can you call the 2016 vote close, leave won by more than a million votes, no deal isnt the disaster many mps would have you beleive, other countries arent suddenly gonna stop trading with us because were out of the eu, prices arent suddenly gonna shoot up, this is all project fear
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Both status quos would be awful..
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LAB: 43% CON: 34%
I couldn't post on here for some reason earlier but it let me start a thread ! |
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Clear your cookies (data history).
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Britain Elects
@britainelects 6h6 hours ago More Westminster voting intention (ft. new parties): LAB: 31% (-3) CON: 29% (-10) CHUK: 8% (+8) LDEM: 8% (-4) UKIP: 7% (+2) BREX: 6% (+6) GRN: 4% (-) via @BMGResearch, 02 - 05 Apr Chgs. w/ 08 Mar standard voting intention. Back to reality.. |
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Don't tell enpassant...
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We have updated England and Wales General Election voting intention from polling conducted 3rd-8th April:
Top-line voting intention figures (change vs 2017 General Election results): CON 37% (-8) LAB 41% (-1) LD 10% (+2) UKIP 7% (+5) GRE 2% (nc) PC 1% (nc) CHUK/TIG 1% (new) AP 2% Survation |