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here`s a fact, its not up to parliament they do not govern and have no power.
But despite having these views I am still always looking for facts, that is what I love and honour. Its pure nonsense. This sort of gibberish has no place in a rational discussion. I feel like I am talking to some-one from another planet. This mess will be sorted out by parliament in a clear rational fashion. This weird talk will have no part in it. Are you a bit angry or summat? If so its gone to your head. |
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lfc is a master in the dark art of using circular logic.
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paddletoe its like this. If a country gives away its citizenship too freely do other countries admire it?
do other people admire the people of the country that gives away its citizenship too freely? no they don`t, they despise the country and the people of that country. no one likes to be thankful everyone wants whatever he is to be thanks to himself. that's entirely thanks to me is something a person likes to say. that's why it is disasterous to allow mass immigration and free movement of labour. I cannot explain it any better than that. |
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News flash Ifc you are not personally the embodiment of this nation. We.... this nation can feel proud of ourselves. We this nation can be proud of ourselves by working together for the benefit of all.
We have a system which allows a diversity of options and feelings to be respected. That is what is admired all over the world as can be seen by Yanis Varoufalis's love of this country. Our parliamentary democracy is not perfect but it is the envy of the world. This is because is allows a variety of views and ways of life to be respected and to be given equality under the law. Its bizarre that I as an internationalist should be lecturing a so called patriot in what it means to love his country rather than his own opinions. After the NHS, the welfare state and education for all I admire the legal system of parliamentary democracy the most. And that includes your right to a voice just as much as me. Self contradiction on the other hand is more difficult to swallow. |
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News flash Ifc you are not personally the embodiment of this nation. We.... this nation can feel proud of ourselves. We this nation can be proud of ourselves by working together for the benefit of all.
We have a system which allows a diversity of options and feelings to be respected. That is what is admired all over the world as can be seen by Yanis Varoufalis's love of this country. Our parliamentary democracy is not perfect but it is the envy of the world. This is because is allows a variety of views and ways of life to be respected and to be given equality under the law. Its bizarre that I as an internationalist should be lecturing a so called patriot in what it means to love his country rather than his own opinions. After the NHS, the welfare state and education for all I admire the legal system of parliamentary democracy the most. And that includes your right to a voice just as much as me. Self contradiction on the other hand is more difficult to swallow. |
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I don`t agree with any of that melv. You don`t appear to have any idea of what democracy means or what it is.
its pretty subtle but democracy is not about allowing a variety of views and ways of life to be respected and to be given equality under the law...if anything it is the opposite of this. western democracy, stretching back to ancient Greece is essentially exclusive, not inclusive. it says these are our values, we believe these to be the best values. it does not believe that all ways of life or values are to be respected and given equality under the law. and it does not believe that all ways of life, or all cultures are equal, or all religions are equal, or all civilisations are equal. no democracy does not believe any of that, quite the opposite. |
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Now also you do not understand how our parliamentary democracy works, I know you think you do but I can assure you you don't.
I have looked at some of the things you have said and that is why I know you don't understand it. Perhaps you would like to put forward your belief in how it works and I will show you where you are wrong. |
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All that demonstrates your essential modesty and self effacing nature, lfc ! I am sure melv will bow to your superior knowledge.
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There are more holes in melv's lecture than a colander.
He sings the praise of the British system, then proposes to give up control of it and dilute its culture and public services through mass immigration. Proud to be British? It sounds more like he can't wait to consign the word to history. Lord save us from internationalists if melv's an example of one. Wouldn't nation hater be more appropriate than internationalist? |
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We have a system which allows a diversity of options and feelings to be respected.
That used to be the case. Now if you say the wrong thing you can find yourself in very serious trouble. Or find yourself on the carpet at work if you wear a crucifix. In a Christian country at that! You're living in the past mate. |
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The bitter remainers just cannot accept that unlimited freedom of movement is over. If the cost of that is we lose access to the phoney single market so be it.
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Icf I said a diversity of opinions lifestyles etc. I did not say all. I respect your point of view when you heatedly assert that all humans are not equal. I reserve judgement about what that implies in your case.
Just google parliamentary democracy. If you do not know what it is. In a nutshell parliament and only parliament makes and un-makes law. BTW trade deal with any country will involve abiding by agreements. In order to be in trade deals with Europe such as those in the EU we must abide by those agreements. (AS I'm sure you know the EU is not the only set of trade deals we have with Europe and we did not vote on these. |
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melv for almost 500 years English law is what the English parliament says is the law
who gives them that power? the people of this country but we don't trust them that much, that's why we give them only 5 years that seems a reasonable compromise. |
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so we allow them that power in the knowledge that what they decide can be reversed..by the people.
they do not have the power to make any decisions that cannot be reversed by the people. that is why I said that parliament does not have any power. |
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On the question of whether all humans are equal, the answer to that is it depends what you mean. If we mean are all cultures equal, are all religions equal, are all countries equal, are all political ideals equal, are all beliefs equal, for example, no I don't believe that
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Are all humans equally beautiful? perhaps not, but that doesn't matter, not really ...thank goodness : )
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Ifd I wish you would acknowledge that you have confirmed what I said re parliamentary democracy. When you then go on to make up your own rules to the contrary its nonsense.
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melv for almost 500 years English law is what the English parliament says is the law
who gives them that power? the people of this country but we don't trust them that much, that's why we give them only 5 years they do not have the power to make any decisions that cannot be reversed by the people. The British people have witnessed a parliament giving away our sovereignty to a corrupt organisation for two decades and now we are reversing that decision,that sounds quite understandable now. |
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Is Yanis a creationist?
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No he is an atheist.
Varoufakis born into a cushy life and married into a rich life. Spent his adult life in University/academia - speaking/theorising. He had a brief stint within Greek politics as Finance Minister, lasted about a week after the bail-outs. What is he? a champaign Marxist? Bravo |
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I meant job creationist.Sorry.Apparently the Greeks could do with some work.He is lauded ,so we must assume he is clever.Therefore he could create jobs if redirecting his energies.
A smug gauche caviar. |
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In Europe there is nothing to stop him or people like Steve Kinnock from starting businesses,becoming rich and paying high wages.All they want to do is carp.
People from diverse backgrounds have become successful and wealthy so please explain Yanis what is wrong with the system. |
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If I overspend and end up laden with debt through foolishness is it really the fault of the system?
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24 years guy on C4 tonight 31K of unsecured debt.Typical Yanis supporter when he has FA.He is of the age that blames old folk.Hope by the time he's my age the oil is gone and the icecaps are gone.
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The one thing the young can do for me is to keep smoking.Big dividends are nice.The young get to look defiant and cool.Rebel rebel.
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He is a Corbyn style economic illiterate.
Knows nowt about nowt in the real world. Would be great at running a Friday night Marxist book club but has wandered massively over his pay grade. |
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He is a professor of economics.
I love the poetic relation to facts on here. Its so sweet. I especially love all those who claim to be lords of evidence and facts and then just make stuff up; off the top of their heads just so they can have something to vent their anger with. I hope it helps. |