1/12 and shortening by the minute.

quite the reverse a leave vote is the death knell

UKIP will be the biggest beneficiaries from this referendum no matter which way it goes.

As mental as this sounds the constitution is a far more important issue to the working class in the UK than most of the other issues the political parties bicker over.  To me thats mental but its reality.

The constitution is the only issue that genuinely has clearly defined lines between parties, nobody in Scotland gives a sh1t about the SNP's record on education, the health service, spending etc in the same way they dont care about how the Tories in Scotland would tackle the issues, they only care that one side is seperatist and another is unionist.

Both the Tories and Labour will suffer post referendum, the 40%+ of people who will vote to Leave are already feeling betrayed by the traditional parties.

In the long run, the current incumbents within the Blue and Red team dont care, they will have completed their job by tomorrow morning of upholding the interests of multinational corporations, the mess left behind will not be theirs to clean up.

I think it will be quite the opposite.

There are many voters out there who used to vote for the established parties but seeing how they sided with the establishment will not vote for them again.

That could lead to a surge in UKIP - although I really, really hope a new party emerges that takes the big issues in this referendum on board and deals with them (zero hours contracts, benefits supporting big business paying minimum wage, and of course immigration, etc). They could be very successful given the apathy/hatred towards the other parties.

How anybody in Scotland could ever vote for Mrs. Krankie again after she got so far up Cameron she could see his tonsils is beyond me.

Not a fan of UKIP but imo sadly it will have the reverse effect.

55-60 for remain gone fav. Dont get it.

when OUT hits three figures on here later there will still be people saying they don't understand it.

100k available at 1.13 on here if you want it

I know the polls got it wring last may in GE but did the markets have it so badly wrong , it seems astonishing that last night remain were about 2-7 and now 1-10 I keep hearing people talking about hedge funds polls they must be showing a big swing to remain

Most people have not even voted yet

UKIP

The clue is in the name. Country votes NOT to be Independent from the EU what is left for them to canvass on?

Farage has said in the past his only interest is getting UK out of the EU.

I get that there is confidence in the remain vote, i dont get why that confidence has changed so much this morning

Baron Rothschild employed a relay team of horsemen to confirm the result of the Battle of Waterloo in 1805, so he knew the result 3 days before the Government.

He cleaned up enough money on the Stock Exchange to purchase Aylesbury.

1815

Hows anyone gonna know this result though. Even ignoring that loads havent voted yet, the black boxes are just sitting there on the table uncounted.

anxious   

23 Jun 16 12:49 
Joined:  14 May 15      | Topic/replies: 6,752  | Blogger: anxious's blog   



I know the polls got it wring last may in GE but did the markets have it so badly wrong , it seems astonishing that last night remain were about 2-7 and now 1-10 I keep hearing people talking about hedge funds polls they must be showing a big swing to remain

.......

I think the Tories getting a majority was around 10 just before the exit poll at the GE.

This decision is much more important though so maybe these funds have invested a lot more to get these exit polls right. The pound v dollar is around the same rate as it was at 10:30 but odds on here continue to come in.

I would piss myself if the betting and money traders are following each other

Jun 23, 2016 -- 6:52AM, errytay wrote:

UKIPThe clue is in the name. Country votes NOT to be Independent from the EU what is left for them to canvass on?Farage has said in the past his only interest is getting UK out of the EU.

That's easy. The EU. Their economy is an absolute basket case and most of their banks are are in very, very serious trouble. Had the vote gone for Leave today the whole house of cards could have collapsed very quickly. That is why all of the big money was so supporting the Remain camp.

Growth in the EU will remain terrible and recession is very possible, and the Greece debt issue is an open wound that cannot ever be cured. If a few other economies start to fail, which is easily possible, the scales will start to fall from the eyes of the UK voters and UKIP will rise.

I see it like this - there are 2 men in a boat that is holed and sinking. One has a block of cement attached to his ankle. The guy with the cement is dead already. The guy without is in deep trouble, but has a chance. It looks like we have chosen the cement.

The EU is normally about 20th on peoples minds.

UKIP will revert to their 1 million votes at the next GE in 2020.

Where did those 1 million BNP votes go?

Jun 23, 2016 -- 7:11AM, errytay wrote:

The EU is normally about 20th on peoples minds. UKIP will revert to their 1 million votes at the next GE in 2020. Where did those 1 million BNP votes go?

Back to Labour if you do the sums.

Its ironic that it was the markets that got this right all along.
When the Leave side was surging the markets still had Remain as firm favourites.

Its funny because this referendum was about markets and business versus your ability to govern yourselves and the market money men have won.

So now a nation that brought democracy to half the world,who once ruled half the world lies prostrate in defeat unable to govern yourselves.

Its like a once fine old house falling into disrepair and not even allowed decide who can come in.
Sadly its squatters that are moving in.

Ok, so markets open this morning almost reaching 1.7% up. It's now only 1% up. yet the odds have come down loads in that time. Betting market don't believe

Swing back to leave 1.2 now.

The 'never want to workers' and 'benefit streeters' have just got up and voted before Jeremy is on.

No they were queuing outside my polling station just after the school run.

My average is 5.62 & 1.22 for a coupla hunna.

Sitting green now but looking for at least double my steak back.

7.4 vs 1.16 ... trader's paradise

Betfarians 'never lose'

Early doors, erry, early doors

Come one. FTSE now only 0.30% up since this moring. Dropped 1.5% today since 10am

If its a remain vote it will be particularly bad news for labour, particularly while JC is in charge.
Those votes will help UKIP  win a decent number of seats at the next GE

What would be the point of UKIP at the next GE if the country has voted to stay in Europe?

There manifestos are not about governing a country but about exiting the EU and their view of the future outside the EU.

They are not the new new Labour party.

Once voters realise it is pointless voting UKIP they will stop. 4 million votes equals one MP.

Do people forget Labour increased its vote share in England at the last GE?

There manifestos are not about governing a country but about exiting the EU and their view of the future outside the EU.

you will find that is not correct, the vast majority of our policies in the 2015 manifesto concerned soley UK internal affairs.

You think the geneie will go back in the bottle after at least 45% of those who voted want BREXIT, particularly after the behaviour of some on the remain side starting with the PM and Gideon. UKIP is the only mainstream party which represents those who want BREXIT from this failing political project, which millions across Europe are also starting to realise.

here is a link to the manifest ET for your perusal

.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/1103/attachments/original/1429295050/UKIPManifesto2015.pdf?1429295050

Fully costed promises costed by no one else but UKIP doesn't make a manifesto.

I don't blame them. Knowing they had no prospect of more than a handful of MPs, there was nothing to lose.

I think you will find ours was the only fully costed manifesto as verified by the Centre for Economic and Business Research

not much in this index about exiting the EU or life outside it

INTRODUCTION TO OUR MANIFESTO 5
ECONOMY 6
IMMIGRATION 10
THE NHS 14
SOCIAL CARE 18
PENSIONS 20
WELFARE AND DISABILITY 22
CHILDCARE AND THE FAMILY 24
EDUCATION 28
HOUSING AND THE ENVIRONMENT 32
TRANSPORT 36
ENERGY 38
EMPLOYMENT 40
SMALL BUSINESS 42
FARMING AND THE COUNTRYSIDE 46
FISHING 48
HERITAGE AND TOURISM 50
CRIME AND JUSTICE 52
POLITICAL REFORM 56
LOCAL GOVERNMENT 58
BRITISH CULTURE 60
TRADE 62
DEFENCE 64
HONOURING THE MILITARY COVENANT 66
FOREIGN AFFAIRS 67
OVERSEAS AID 68
BREXIT 70
FINANCE

I'm sure there were people who thought the SNP would lose votes after the failed independence referendum in Scotland, the vote had the opposite effect, within a week of the vote the SNP was the third largest party in the UK by membership numbers (116,000 v labour 380,000 and conservative 134,000) and at the last Scottish Elections, 51.3% of people voted for pro-independance parties.


Dont be shocked if by the end of the month UKIP gains hundreds of thousands of members.

False promises costed on leaving the EU and the savings it would supposedly make.

CEBR asked to check these costings, but only some.

Having to accept net figure of 9 billion cost to UK of EU membership instead one of 22 billion used to 'cost' the manifesto meant a big hole to begin with. Plenty of other examples, Farage ridiculed by A Niell.

You can produce a pamphlet that says and promises anything if you have no prospect of winning. I repeat not a manifesto to govern, everything dependent on leaving the EU something not possible in April 2015

It strengthens my point though, if you have a manifesto solely based on leaving the EU, what is the point of UKIP if the majority vote Remain?

To keep on fighting for Independence errytay

If a euroskeptic Tory leader takes the helm somewhere soon they may link up with Ukip for another push.

Don't forget disenchanted ex Labour voters will be queuing up to vote for Ukip.

you believe what you want it was fully costed FACT the only parties that was FACT and the money was not solely done on a Brexit FACT which you'd know if you read it. Have a nice evening now.

Aren't they a bit too old for all that street fighting stuff?

Squatting tiger...Goldsmith did not form UKIP. I liked Goldsmith and voted for his Referendum Party back in the 90s. There is no way on God's earth that I'd ever vote for the neanderthal UKIP. My views on Farage are not printable.

UKIP 2015 manifesto selectively costed.

Here's the facts about costing of UKIPs 2015 manifesto all based on our leaving the EU and reducing foreign aid.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-ukip-credible-manifesto/20719

Squatting Tiger is permanently confused,he doesn't even know his own nationality,not that it matters a he owes his allegiance to the EU.

Posy views on an English patriot are unprintable,presumably he likes those EU patriots,anonymous plutocrats and bureaucrats.

What do others know that we don't???

1-12 now ffs

I have voted Labour all my life and I voted leave today , I do not understand after examining the issue why anybody on the left would have voted to stay in a private bankers club

1.09 suggests that it's pretty much over?

john cutice on bbc says you gov has it 52 - 48 for remain

my point exactly, nobody knows yet what the outcome is but apparently betfair does......

Jun 23, 2016 -- 4:23PM, anxious wrote:

I have voted Labour all my life and I voted leave today , I do not understand after examining the issue why anybody on the left would have voted to stay in a private bankers club

You were cheering it on a while ago, what's changed?

No I was undecided for a long while but the ludicrous nonsense of Eu funding for example was money that we had already sent to Brussels, that and Britain being one the top funders for the EU shows how ridiculous the whole charade is , and also the immigration issue whilst it not being my top issue it cannot be denied that there needs to be control and a country should police its own borders,

Markets and business do not vote , employees do...

Some on the Left have principles,Anxious is one of them

Watching middle class liberals scoff at working class concerns and siding with big business and bankers was nauseating.

Squatting Tiger sounds like Gordon Browne and Pat Glass with his contempt for the working class.

If that includes you, then yes I have utter contempt for this arbitrary 'class' you speak of.

Sterling is taking a dive but politicians on TV are chuckling about it.

It's not all that serious now is it?

Just greened back my total stake.

I am now  Remain = £494.70 Green.
          Leave = £1397.60 Green.

I have done this so I can now just sit back & hopefully revel in this F**king Amazing thing that just might Happen.

I don't give a S**t about a small profit.

But if we do this today.I just want to say that I am proud to see that this countries people still have the Bollocks to stand up to Bullying & are prepared to do what we all hope is the right thing to

do for our Country & our Childrens futures.

Three cheers for THE UK.

plenty brown imo ,little green

DIE LINKE 23 Jun 16 12:48 
when OUT hits three figures on here later there will still be people saying they don't understand it.

come again?

thanks for posting that link errytay bro' it proves that what you said " if you have a manifesto solely based on leaving the EU" was wrong just as I said it was, but it was a good read and very complimentary of our manifesto. Hope your leg is ok blud so you take it easy, don't look out for me as tonight we're off to see our boy for a couple of weeks, shame about the exchange rates but hey ho. You hang loose now bro' and catch you laters, respect.

How much did the 1/12 backers make?

blimey ET you not posted in over a fortnight!!! you been waiting for me to get back? I see all the idiots are still bleating

hope ET did not do all his dough on remaining, not posted since very worrying.

Same as Wurzel. Probably gone to new accounts I guess.

hope ET did not do all his dough on remaining, not posted since very worrying.

Thanks for the concern BB, but I have been very busy. Got to do the work while it's available, might not be so good in the future construction could be on the floor soon.

The serial accuser is still at it I see. Football forum getting his 'you have multiple account names' excuse when losing arguments. Repetition the sign of a propagandist, unemployed/benefit claimant one at that.

Aug 2, 2016 -- 12:57PM, errytay wrote:

hope ET did not do all his dough on remaining, not posted since very worrying.Thanks for the concern BB, but I have been very busy. Got to do the work while it's available, might not be so good in the future construction could be on the floor soon.The serial accuser is still at it I see. Football forum getting his 'you have multiple account names' excuse when losing arguments. Repetition the sign of a propagandist, unemployed/benefit claimant one at that.

Is that your way of coming out of the closet? You are nothing if not consistent with repeating yourself on here.

Apart from that, everybody knows you are the banned ab---t, if they don't they can just look at your previous posts on that account. Much of it is repetition written in exactly the same style. Strange, eh?

Was it a months ban that kept you off this time? Normally you only stay away for a few days until you think people have forgotten how badly you'd been schooled beforehand. Is your shadow coming back as well? If so I'll be expecting quite a few posts of mine to start disappearing.

Aug 2, 2016 -- 1:09PM, errytay wrote:

Feck me that was quick. Pressing the refresh button waiting for someone to appear?Never been banned from posting on here, been banned from a few pubs in my time. Things do not change though, you are still the forums biggest liar.Any private bets lately you care to post?

I think everyone knows you were banned on the ab---t account by now. Although as I always say you were lucky with just a forum ban from Betfair as it was rightly a police issue.

I thought there was a good chance you'd been banned again because you were spouting a whole load of racism before you disappeared for a month. I'd have thought you'd have learned from the previous ban, but obviously not.

Any idea of what you are accusing me of lying about this time? We do this so often and time after time you need to resort to abuse because you can't think of anything. Anything this time? Although you were very strong on "Repetition the sign of a propagandist, unemployed/benefit claimant one at that.", so perhaps more evidence of you coming out?

No news of Wurzel? Is he leaving you to flounder on your own this time?

there will always be construction work in Germany ET, they will need loads of houses

Be retired before I need to travel that far BB. The last right wing mob sent plenty of construction workers abroad though, Au Wiedersehen Pet.

The Kaiser will be along shortly to translate.

here you go ET I said they were planning on controlling employment law, judicial law, education and welfare.
.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/699648/Jean-Claude-Juncker-secret-plans-dictate-EU-nations-revealed-Brexit-vote