the great debate bbc1

The remain people are so aggressive.

& Rude talking over everyone for leave.

Especially that Scottish Consevative Lady.She is just Awful.Somebody Gag her.

HERE COMES THE RACE CARD.......

Same strategy as the ITV one. Attack Boris. Then attack Boris. Then attack Boris.

daft b1nt in the green going on about the bankers

the EU is feckin run by those banker (unts,  FFS !

No bumbling Boris act tonight, he is in full PM-in-waiting mode. So near to the big prize!

I watched it for two minutes and then switched off

its pretty obvious that the 6000 audience invited is 4000 remain 2000 leave

usual bbc bias

will be interesting if they take a poll of the audience at the end who won

waiting on Tony Parsons comments


somebody with a few brain cells at least.

Who is the angry guy in the middle of the remain side? Not seen him before. Is he an MP?

Jun 21, 2016 -- 9:07PM, Platini wrote:

waiting on Tony Parsons commentssomebody with a few brain cells at least.

Not watching but Tony Parsons is excellent. He has a career in politics if he wants it.

Khan ..... Nasty bit of work ....

"Who is the angry guy in the middle of the remain side? Not seen him before. Is he an MP?"

the guy in the red blazer is allegedly female, but deffo playing  the alpha male tonight.

Why did remain not have anyone that anyone had ever heard of on their team? e.g. the PM or George Osborne

They had the Mayor of London IT.

PM and Osbourne not fans of this type of XFactor debate, my guess

Which one was that. The person in the red jacket?

Muslims don't like wearing red IT.

Longest 2 hours in the History of the World Tonight.

Jun 21, 2016 -- 9:45PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

Why did remain not have anyone that anyone had ever heard of on their team? e.g. the PM or George Osborne

Remain are looking for the Lab vote so those two would be vote negative.

Boris and the girls have done it again.Stuffed the screaming inners with so much class.This could swing the vote for independance.

Well said Trendy,I hope your right.

Khan has got little angry man Issues.

Khan used the 'project hate ' line on Boris regarding the Leave immigration campaign.

This repetitive empty vessel may cost Remain in the long run.

Wise words Zen (Confuscious).

I don't think that I have ever been so confused on a single subject in my life.

It's turning me into a shuddering Wreck .I am going to need a "Check up from the neck up" after the result is in.

the race card was pulled out so many times tonight

at least they didn't bring out the Cox card

oh hang on, they did that already

let me tell you this i'm an expert and a human rights activist

The Leave side should counter the ' Immigrant doctors and nurses prop up our NHS' more clearly.

Doctors and nurses are exempt from non-EU migration thresholds. So there is no argument, doctors and nurses are welcome if we Leave.

Why isn't this drilled into the debates?

Are any of you experts? No. Listen to the experts.

All the experts backing Remain are currently employed by the establishment

All the experts backing leave used to be employed by the establishment but are no longer, and now free to express an honest opinion.


human nature at its finest

This line the leave campaign are going down peddling the issue of Turkeys joining the eu sometime soon may have caused me to change my vote. Because if they really think its going to happen it raises question over their whole judgement on all matters.

Of course Cameron is not going to give a direct answer to that question as Turkey are needed right now to help with the war in Syria but I cant imagine a situation.

Just one of many big mistakes made by the Leave campaign. They've really shot themselves in the foot with some of their tactics.

to continue to ask why Cameron cant give a direct answer to this question about turkey is making them look stupid.

Jun 21, 2016 -- 10:22PM, paddletoe wrote:

This line the leave campaign are going down peddling the issue of Turkeys joining the eu sometime soon may have caused me to change my vote. Because if they really think its going to happen it raises question over their whole judgement on all matters. Of course Cameron is not going to give a direct answer to that question as Turkey are needed right now to help with the war in Syria but I cant imagine a situation.

If it wasn't going to happen why are the EU fast-tracking the application and why are we paying millions to prepare them?

The experts are greatly affected by the lack of affordable housing and higher rents.

Will  they declare that Duncan Cox is standing as the Mp for Batley Tomorrow or are they worried about his scandle etc coming out.

One way or another the real worse dirty tricks are yet to be played.

It's scary,nothing will be low enough to play out.

To remove any possibility of turkey ever joining the eu would hardly be a good thing.

Jun 21, 2016 -- 10:33PM, paddletoe wrote:

To remove any possibility of turkey ever joining the eu would hardly be a good thing.

To promise visa free travel for Turks in exchange for X amount of migrants is..?

If it wasn't going to happen why are the EU fast-tracking the application and why are we paying millions to prepare them?


It will be a gradualisation i think. Were they offer visa free travel for a certain amount of Turks without it going full blown. It will creep up.

Jun 21, 2016 -- 10:36PM, ZenMaster wrote:

If it wasn't going to happen why are the EU fast-tracking the application and why are we paying millions to prepare them?It will be a gradualisation i think. Were they offer visa free travel for a certain amount of Turks without it going full blown. It will creep up.

Until the EU need to bargain for something else?

Agree, Turkey have them over a barrel.

The worst statement of tonight had to be the one when the tory leave mp said 60% of uk laws are controlled by the eu. In practical terms that is simply an untruth and a deliberate distortion of the facts.

We last had a vote on this over 40 years ago. We have had no vote on new countries joining since.

Could Turkey or Albania or Serbia or Ukraine or any other country join in the next 40 years. We are paying billions to prefer them to join. Why bother if it is not going to happen in the next thousand years?

* prepare them to join

paddletoe

Law is extremely complex and depending on what you fix that Law to, gives you a different percentage. Try this link.

https://fullfact.org/europe/two-thirds-uk-law-made-eu/

doesn't really matter what the percentage is, its the fact that the EU have control over many of the most important laws in the land

Jun 21, 2016 -- 10:32PM, Real Deal wrote:

Will  they declare that Duncan Cox is standing as the Mp for Batley Tomorrow or are they worried about his scandle etc coming out.One way or another the real worse dirty tricks are yet to be played.It's scary,nothing will be low enough to play out.

Brendan Cox's awkward exit from a lucrative charity post last autumn is already well documented online and would certainly be dredged up if he's put forward as his wife's potential successor as MP for Batley & Spen.

I am pretty sure zen master that statement is not true in reality/practise. To use it smacked of desperation and having no other better argument to put forward.

Tracey O'Grady has now aligned herself with Stephen Kinnock in caling for high skilled highly paid jobs.They haven't created any as yet themselves.Nothing like spouting populist rhetoric to get support.

Jun 21, 2016 -- 10:14PM, BIG CAT LEON LETT wrote:

let me tell you this i'm an expert and a human rights activist

The EU don't care about human rights ffs

paddletoe

It is fair to use the 60% statement, the % is subjective though, but still fair.

The latest figure has been calculated by the campaign group Business for Britain, which says that 64.7% of UK law is influenced by the EU. It offers this as the "definitive" calculation, but also cautions that "any attempt to make sense of the numbers is highly subjective".

10000 employees of the EU getting paid more than the Prime Minister.Surely not.

Dalbers,that may be why they might leave it until the last moment.There would be no time to refute it.I think his announcing to stand,would help the remain camp,Big Style.

I am just thinking that the dastardly deeds department have much more work to do.Right up until 10pm on Thursday.

But could Leave still have a Bombshell to play ?.

I just think that there is something big yet to be played in this debate.You just wait & see

This is like Casperoff x Game of Thrones stuff.

If it wasn't so so Real & Important it would be an amazing Edge of the seat Blockbuster.

Regardless they work hard for the money.Gauche caviar they are not.

To be fair the direct question by Boris that the eu is the supreme court of Britain was one he did not even get a reply from the other side and he directed his question to the man in his old job and it was prefixed by stating the legal background of the person he asked the question.
It was a simple and direct question but nothing came back from the other side.

Labour leader is not gauche caviar.Respect.The rest of his mob are very much gauche caviar.

Jun 21, 2016 -- 10:59PM, ZenMaster wrote:

paddletoeIt is fair to use the 60% statement, the % is subjective though, but still fair.The latest figure has been calculated by the campaign group Business for Britain, which says that 64.7% of UK law is influenced by the EU. It offers this as the "definitive" calculation, but also cautions that "any attempt to make sense of the numbers is highly subjective".

This is a couple of years out of date but this is Parliament on the matter.

https://commonslibraryblog.com/2014/06/02/how-much-legislation-comes-from-europe/

Depends on your definition of things and weighting factor you put on the importance and day to day relevance of things rather than sheer numbers.

Cheers for that link CJ70

Slightly less as a percentage but it is the subjectiveness of including or excluding EU regulations.

the gauche caviar will be proud when their offspring serve in the Euro army.Private Umoona,private Abot and captain Balls.Kinnocks will be working in their father's thriving business which he is going to set up paying high wages for high skilled jobs.

Which countries citizens will be the cannon fodder do you reckon if we have to go to war?Unless off course all regiments are like French Foreign Legion and made up of citizens from former independent Euro countries.

The integration of people from different backgrounds and heritages could prove tricky within different regiments.

Throw all euro flags in the skip,lets all unite behind the blue one with stars.Nationalist tendencies are sure to dissapear soon.Very little evidence for any nationalism in Europe at present.

Let's say that a decision is taken by a British person in high command to send some Irish battalion to a war zone and they are subsequently wiped out because of poor intel and equipment.Would this not cause resentment between Ireland and the UK?Given their history and all that.

DAVID CAMERON climbed down on controversial trade union reforms to secure union support for the EU referendum Remain campaign in an echo of the "cash for questions" scandal, a leading Eurosceptic has claimed.

Bernard Jenkin claimed No 10 instructed ministers to offer concessions on the Trade Union Bill over members opting in to political funds after discussions with union representatives in order to get their support for Remain.

The Conservative MP said it amounted to "the sale of Government policy for cash and political favours" and put the Government at the "rotten heart" of the European Union.

the fact that picture is a clenched fist probably says everything you need to know about the Brexit campaign

If yer not very clever I suppose it would.

What is this about dave and the unions?

An underhand pact it would seem.

The trade union bill was a vicious assault on the unions absolutely disgusting

I only skimmed the article anxious and won't be able to read it til much later tonight but deffo dodgy.

So Dave went creeping to the unions did he

That is the under the table game changer here. Without that Corbyn and most of the Labour party would be for Brexit and the game would be over. Cameron knew this so formed an agreement with the unions that he would not implement the reforms from his 2015 Manifesto if the unions voted to Remain. It stinks.

An adaptation of an old Bob Dylan song(few alterations) will, hopefully, come to pass on Friday morning if the United Kingdom decides to vote out

Oh the Commissioners will rise
With the sleep still in their eyes
And they’ll jerk from their beds and think they’re dreaming’
But they’ll pinch themselves and squeal
And know that it’s for real
The hour when our ship comes in

Then they’ll raise their hands
Saying’ we’ll meet all your demands
But we’ll shout from the bow your days are numbered
And like Pharoah’s tribe
They’ll be drownded in the tide
And like Goliath, they’ll be conquered

........and we will be free!

I didn't watch it but took this from the Independant comments section

DOGGYWOGGYDOODAH
I was at that Wembley Arena debate and can tell you that Khan did NOT get the biggest applause. Boris did and won a fully deserved standing ovation.  Nobody on the remain side got a standing ovation.   I even saw remainers removing their remain stickers and applaud Boris.

Khan did share the accolade of getting the biggest boos with Ruth Davidson.  Also the audience openly laughed out very loud when she stated the ridiculous lie that the EU does not tell us what to do.

She was ridiculed by many in the audience for some of her lies and downright ignorance

Of course the Beeb never mention that