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Burt06
18 Jun 16 20:38
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BMG were supposed to put out their final EU poll yesterday, but it was put back for a day because of the murder of Jo Cox and eventually emerged this morning. BMG carried out parallel telephone and online polls, and unlike ICM who no longer find any difference at at in their dual-mode experiments, BMG continue to find a big gulf:

    In their online poll BMG found topline figures of REMAIN 41%, LEAVE 51%, Don’t know 9%. Like other recent polls this reflected a big shift towards leave, with remain down by 2 points, Leave up by 6 points


Third is a poll from a company called qriously, whom I have never previously heard of. As far as I can tell the poll was conducted by embedding survey questions in adverts on smartphone apps. The data is weighted by age, gender, region, past vote and education so is making an effort to produce representative results – the question is to what degree, if at all, the sampling method is capable of producing a representative sample, which we cannot really tell. Their poll between the 13th and 16th June found topline figures of REMAIN 40%, LEAVE 52%, Don’t know 9% – so more favourable towards Leave than any other polling. They also released figures for people interviewed on Friday morning after Jo Cox’s murder, which were REMAIN 32%, LEAVE 52%, Don’t know 16% – a significant movement from Remain to don’t know.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

adios motherfruckersCool

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By:
Burt06
When: 18 Jun 16 20:56
and lots of older dudes aint got smart phones so prob not represented so much in that last poll

and we all know which way they votingCool
By:
Shab
When: 18 Jun 16 21:08
REMAIN 41%, LEAVE 51%, Don’t know 9%

Don't trust that! They can't add up
By:
Shab
When: 18 Jun 16 21:09
REMAIN 40%, LEAVE 52%, Don’t know 9%

Nor can they
By:
Injera
When: 18 Jun 16 21:17
Turnout will be 65% ish (my guess).

The 35% will largely be the young. If I was a Remainer I'd be seriously worried.
By:
ufcdan
When: 18 Jun 16 21:54
Remain on here 1.47 Sad was 1.69 during the week !
By:
johnizere
When: 18 Jun 16 21:58
odds are mystifying to me... most polls, and word on the street is that 'leave' is well in the lead?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 18 Jun 16 22:06
From the word go the people out on the streets going door to door said Brexit will win.

Analysts, Politicians, Big Business, MSM all think remain will win. I think as at the GE the MSM is completely out of touch with what is going on outside of their bubble. A quick speech or photo opportunity surrounded by a few paid supporters means nothing. People are fed up. They are fed up with lots of things. Blair followed by DC/Osborne has done nothing for them. Labour had their chance to shine and they rejected it.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 18 Jun 16 22:07
3.1 Brexit now. Out from 2.6 before Thursdays terrible events.
By:
Loddy
When: 18 Jun 16 22:09
Give it up guys its all over unfortunately. Leave has no chance since the tragic events of Thursday, I'm amazed there are still odds. The whole thing should be postponed for six months or something as far as I'm concerned.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 18 Jun 16 22:16
Is it over though? Or is it a case of the MSM and politicians (and gamblers) thinking this event will have a massive effect on voters?

A similar thing had zero effect in Norway. Less and less undecided as time goes on. The free movement thing is big and that has not changed.
By:
ufcdan
When: 18 Jun 16 22:17
Don't think it will sway people Loddy sad as this weeks events have been I and many like me will still vote out and remainers will remain ! Maybe some Don't knows will be swayed, we have seemed to of become a nation of grievers especially when it's highlighted by the press. Baby P for instance again tragic and terribly sad, his grave became a shrine with people from all over the country visiting his grave, when in reality his case is not that uncommon which is the real tragedy Sad
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Jun 16 22:20
sky just showed a poll with remain in front and one level no mention of the polls showing leave in front today,and mention MOS and times backing in ,not that their biased at all , FFS
By:
Real Deal
When: 18 Jun 16 22:22
MOS ?.
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Jun 16 22:26
MAIL ON SUNDAY
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 18 Jun 16 22:26
Sky is a strange one. Sun backs Brexit yet some execs/journos seem to be pushing the EU agenda at Sky owned by the same concern.
By:
anxious
When: 18 Jun 16 22:44
Murdoch the double dealing thatcher lover at it again , when will the people learn
By:
anxious
When: 18 Jun 16 22:46
Rupert always follows the money , because that's all he cares about
By:
Bobsyboy
When: 18 Jun 16 23:05
Is anyone doing what I'm doing?  I've bet on 'STAY' (as a saver) but will be voting 'LEAVE' and very much hope we do leave! Cool
Maybe this is why 'STAY' is as low as 1.5 when it should be evens - LEAVERS are covering themselves!  Silly
By:
Des Pond
When: 18 Jun 16 23:20
Hey Burt, how's it going? I thought I would be getting a lot earache from you when the price spiked a few days ago Grin (although I was out of betfair range at the time) You were right about the price spikes in the run up ,surprised me a bit, tbh, but it is on the way down again, now!
By:
Des Pond
When: 18 Jun 16 23:47
Seems to be an awful lot of these "polling companies" springing up. Where have they all come from? My guess is that it's the same people who do these so-called surveys that fly in the face of everything anyone has ever believed (e.g. eating well and exercising won't make any difference, after all or being in debt makes you happy, that sort of thing!, with no proper peer-reviewing,thorough sampling or real evidence.  The problem is that there are so many people in University these days, they have to find something for them to do, otherwise what are they doing there? So they try to justify their wasted Uni years, by coming out with "surveys", "studies" and "polls" which, more often than not are of no use to anybody! I'm not talking about genuine medical research, although some of that is dubious as well.
By:
Pounf
When: 19 Jun 16 08:03
The political elite along with some others from that part of society live in a big bubble, often surrounded by lackeys. They really had no clue how much they are despised, anything they recommend is highly likely to be laughed at. Its the masses sticking two fingers up at them.
By:
Captain Wurzel
When: 19 Jun 16 08:51
UK polling report by Anthony Wells 19th June.



Like the Survation poll in the Mail on Sunday, YouGov in the Sunday Times show Remain ahead again following the pro-Leave polls a week ago. Topline figures are REMAIN 44%, LEAVE 43%, with fieldwork conducted on Thursday and Friday (full tabs are here). Almost inevitably people are going to look at these polls and assume that the murder of Jo Cox on Thursday has caused the move back towards remain.

My own view is that Jo Cox’s death probably isn’t the cause of the reverse. YouGov also conducted a poll on Wednesday-Thursday for ITV, and that already showed Leave’s lead falling (and indeed, a third of the fieldwork for this poll was conducted before Jo Cox’s death was announced). Looking at the rest of the questions, there is also a marked shift in people’s views on how they think leaving the EU would impact their finances – 33% of people now think that they would be worse off outside the EU, compared to 23% a fortnight ago.

The historic trend in referendums is for people to move towards the status quo. In Scotland a couple of years ago a couple of polls a fortnight out were neck-and-neck, but moved back to a clear NO lead by the final polls (and there was a further swing on the day itself). In the EU referendum polls have consistently shown that people think leave is the riskier choice and that people think it will damage the economy. While it was never inevitable, this has always suggested that late movement towards Remain was quite likely. If people are increasingly worried about Brexit’s impact on their own personal finances, then even more so.

Of course, we will never know for sure. The reality is that we can see changes in headline voting intention in polls, but we can never be certain what causes them: all we can do is look at what events happened at the same time and at what changes there have been in other questions in the poll that might have driven a shift. What we do know is that, whatever the reason, we’ve got four new polls tonight – some before Jo Cox’s death, some after – with three of them showing a shift back towards Remain.
By:
alin
When: 19 Jun 16 09:51
what time will be published polls?
By:
Bobsyboy
When: 19 Jun 16 10:08
As much as I want 'LEAVE' to win, I fear the current 'don't knows' will err on the side of caution COME Thursday (it's what people do when they can't make up their minds!) and give a small win to 'STAY', unfortunately.
By:
alin
When: 19 Jun 16 10:12
polls will be made public today? i am from Romania and not understand very good brexit pulse from uk? thanks
By:
Shab
When: 19 Jun 16 16:09
Does anybody know anyone who has been asked in a poll? Given that 50,000 people myst have been asked by now we must know somebody?

I ask because I suspect some of the pollsters are more bothered about getting the free advertising rather than actually asking people their opinion.
By:
Burt06
When: 19 Jun 16 17:04
all good des, u alright?

looked over didn't it
now it doesn't
By:
Des Pond
When: 19 Jun 16 18:17
Hey Burt, have you been out campaigning?

It looked over, then it didn't, now it looks over again. Grin
The biggest spikes happened when I was abroad, so I couldn't really take advantage. Still, can't be greedy! I'll still makes lots of doe. Laugh
Seriously though, it was beginning to look quite close, until some nutter decided to murder the M.P. The mood has changed again, I think!
By:
Burt06
When: 19 Jun 16 18:38
too busy now to go out campaigning

mood has changed but i dont know anyone that has changed their mind over this although no doubt some have

still think it will be a landslide to leave amongst the working class

word is that the leave vote from the postal votes is 80% out

i was 100% confident we were out before last thursday and though my £100 at prices from 90/1 down to 25/1 on over 60% was in with a great chance

not so confident now of course

just wish i had been up in yorkshire last thursday i would have shoved that knife up that sick counts arsse

just think dessie if its 51% out we both loseSad

i would take that though, no probCool
By:
Des Pond
When: 19 Jun 16 18:43
All the best, Burt, Take it easy! Happy
By:
Burt06
When: 19 Jun 16 18:45
u2 dude

gunna watch this lying priick dave now
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 19 Jun 16 18:45
If leave get 51% it is clear, we are out of the EU permanently. Equally, if 51% vote Remain, the question is settled for good.
By:
Injera
When: 19 Jun 16 18:46
Share your sentiments Burt. I think many of us would have loved to have been there last week...I would gladly have given my life for that lady.

Bernard Kenny (77). To risk his life and tackle an armed man 20 years his junior was incredible. What a wonderful man.
By:
Platini
When: 19 Jun 16 19:03
Looks over to me Sad

I'm not convinced the Cox murder will have a major impact on changing views (more likely to firm up views) but its definitely killed all the momentum Leave was building up.
The media are currently making sure its stays top of mind as well (shame on them for showing Alistair Campbell's sickening exploitation of that poor woman's death)

Leave needs a decent lead (10% maybe) because most of the undecideds always stick with the status quo.
And because you always get a last minute swing back to the status quo.

Of course, a low turn out gives Leave a better chance.

Let it rain. hard !
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 19 Jun 16 19:06
Cool
By:
macarony
When: 19 Jun 16 19:35
I would love to see what the remain camp see in staying in the EU because I don't see it and I am half French/Italian
By:
Shab
When: 19 Jun 16 19:36

Jun 19, 2016 -- 7:35PM, macarony wrote:


I would love to see what the remain camp see in staying in the EU because I don't see it and I am half French/Italian


A job in Brussels and a nice fat pension.

By:
Try My Best
When: 19 Jun 16 19:37
Classic post Macarony. I think in those few words you have spoke volumes
By:
Try My Best
When: 19 Jun 16 19:39
We all know the gravy train Shab. The Kinnocks will have to get used to surviving off the millions that the family have milked from each and every one of us
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