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Presumably they are democrats and will accept the result.
Labour in coalition might not be too bad,they might with SNP influence start to look after the British working class. If Labour ditch all the anti British stuff,stop engaging in foreign wars,stop pandering to Islam they might get back their core vote. Cameron is terrified of a debate with Farage because he would be destroyed. |
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Meadow X1 05 Mar 15 21:06
Ok, Let's look at this another way... Edinburgh Zoo have more giant pandas in Scotland than Tory, UKIP, Green, Respect, BNP and Monster Raving Loony MPs put together. These are UK parties that campaign for seats in Scotland. Should they be invited to a Scotland debate? In the last election in scotland these were the votes cast. Labour 1035528 lib dems 465471 snp 491386 tories 412855 UKIP 17223 so labour, lib dems snp, tories yes to a scottish debate UKIP no |
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If i was part of the labour leadership i would rule out a coalition with the SNP, it may persuade a few to vote labour rather than SNP if it became apparent voting for SNP would have no impact on the national picture.
I doubt the SNP will do as well as people are saying when the election takes place. |
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Voting for SNP will have a direct positive impact on any Westminster legislation that affects Scotland.
Don't underestimate them. Voting intention in the opinion polls is very consistent in all regions and has been since the referendum. The same trends are being repeated...LibDem vote collapsing, 20% plus swing Labour-SNP, Tory vote generally holding up, UKIP vote negligible, Green support good in some small pockets. Remember the SNP have an overall majority at Holyrood, have 100,000 members and are very active organised canvassers. |
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Voting for SNP will have a direct positive impact on any Westminster legislation that affects Scotland.
That will depend on how the dust settles after the election. If there is no overall majority they may have some sway but that depends on how the overall picture looks. If there is a tory majority or the tories can form a coalition then they will have plenty of mps but no influence. If there is no overall majority there is every chance of a second election later in the year. |
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crackers;'People who would make their choice after watching these farces shouldn't have a vote.'
what a fascist outlook. denial of voting rights to people who might be amenable to persuasion? what if they were persuaded to your opinion? would you re-instate their franchise? i would deny nobody a vote, however symbolic or irrelevant. you would. not very liberal. but it is a common theme from bogus liberals. authoritarianism is ok as long as it is left-wing. democratic socialists, and i know plenty, all lovers of castro, clam-up when i mention the zero votes cast in the socialist paradise of cuba. it is as though it had never occurred to them that elections have at least some degraded meaning. how is it that all notions of freedom are abandoned when it comes to a socialist state? no trade unions or free speech, no freedom to travel. political prisoners worked to death? guantanamo is on th e same island. cuba has been such for 50 years. boring, obv. but until a socialist follower of castro can explain why he is beyond criticism, despite his persecution and murder of opponents, it is a legitimate question. |
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I think the DUP have done a deal with Cameron on this one and are threatening an official review to help him get out of the debates and will also back the tories if they win a narrow majority.
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One would expect them to do so since any SNP progress is an existentialist threat to the unionist cause
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Good point Jed. Clear from some of the comments and especially their unwillingness to clarify their position that the DUP will help Cameron get out of these debates.
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You can't have a national debate and exclude NI while giving Sco/Wal a voice. That was an idiotic decision in the first place, and legally DUP should win any case.
Let DUP in and UUP & SDLP will have a case. Broadcasters have f*cked this up to accomodate Sturgeon & Wood without thinking of the consequences. |
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Cameron doesn't need the DUP to get him out of the debate, he is perfectly within his rights to shun them.
He may need them to shore up his minority administration however, and then they will be there for him. |
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Broadcasters say debates will go on with or without cowardy cameron.
They will replace him with an empty chair with a white feather on it. |
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Bullingdon boy will be turning puce as we post
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Don't think you could let the DUP in without letting the alliance party and the sdlp also into the debates. Sinn Feinn would also want in. Cameron knows this. The ulster unionist party have not much of a case as they don't have a single west minster mp at present.
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In reality the DUP don't want into these debates and Cameron does not want them in either. In any debates the DUP would have to be hostile to the tory party as in n.ireland they have campaigned with sinn fein against many austerity measures.
DUP would rather do a deal with the tories after the election with a tory government which might need their support and they are likely to bring more mps to the table than ukip will. |
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In the same vein you can't really run the NI debates without UKIP. It's a complete mess of the broadcasters own making after the nats were invited due to sabre rattling. A bad decision trying to appeal to the craven demands to include Sturgeon & Wood has probably killed any chance of them happening. A complete own goal. |
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I would not allow ukip in the n.ireland debates if they were in the main debates at the exclusion of the regional parties and the debates in Scotland, wales and n.ireland were therefore seen as separate debates. Ukip would need to meet some minimum criteria of past electoral success and at present they would not meet any of those criteria in n.ireland.
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In the same vein we could say the same for PC & SNP in England and Scotland/Wales respectively.
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It's starting to look like the spin doctor who instructed Dave to follow this course of action has miscalculated.
He's not very lucky with spin doctors is he. |
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Craig Oliver, tbf, had approximately zero influence in this decision. The Tories are counting their chips before the game is over.
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Ed Miliband has said he will legislate to make TV debates compulsory in the lead up to future GEs.
Ffs, how can anyone think of crafting such a law. And defining who takes part and for how long. And why tv, why not on radio or twitter. And why does each party have to one spokesperson anyway, it's not a presidency, and the best parties are about team work. I've got a better idea - which is if you want a debate, make your own arrangements, don't impose them. Bravo to Farage and Clegg, they turned up and had it out, and didn't fanny on with suggestions to make laws about when to do it. The ASI has waded in on this and I pretty much agree with it: .http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-government/ed-milibands-tv-debates-law/ If the debates do happen, they will at some point debate the debates about legislating for debates. At which point people will go to bed. |
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Or, as Alaister Campbell put it to his 292,000 followers on twitter:
blog - Cameron's ducking of the TV debates - morally cowardly and democratically wrong http://www.alastaircampbell.org OG Cameron |
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Too late now. Too close to election. Tories hugely weakened by this.
And Dave is going to be asking "Who is strong enough to be trusted at the driving wheel" While proving he is personally weak weak weak. Ha ha ha ha ha. What a mess. |
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They all know Farage will win any debate but Cameron is the one running away.
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I must say Cameron has loads of problem with the (ex? Tory?)Farage. Not least how to keep his own anti Europe quiet while being honest on the fact that he doesn't really want a referendum and if he is forced to have one he will be launching the propaganda war to end all media blitzes to make such we stay in Europe.
Will Farage do a deal? I'm sure the Tories want one. The last thing they want is Farage megaphoning "Cameron's running scared." V. bad for the Tories. |
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You have to be dubious about someone who will only attend a mass debate.
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cj i assumed you were also a mass debater.
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If the Tories thought the debates had an advantage for re-election, 'Dave' would be all over 'em like a cheap suit.
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