EU - The greasy fat fingers want yet more money off us.....

Shiitting.

are you really?

how interesting.

Despite all the words, will anything be done about immigration?

All Cameron will do is offer us a referendum to come out of the EU,
but I suspect we will vote to stay in.

Miliband has promised to bring in an immigration bill...but this is more for immigration
from outside the EU not within it

What we are paying for now, is allowing far too much immigration in the past,
going back some 60 years.

Current EU immigration is driven by:

1. The Credit Crunch, creating a world of depression

2. Allowing all former East European countries into the EU,
about the only thing we get from them is people.

Our problems are and have been created by our inept leaders.
Still we vote them in.

I have never in my lifetime seen anyone with a placard demanding more immigration,
I doubt I ever will.

Although I have seen some against racism

Our trouble is, we seem unable to distinguish between protecting our borders and racism,
it has cost us dear.

the fact that the liberal left brand any questions over immigration as racist in an effort to nullify any view but their own

I should have added , I find quite insidious

When is Westminster going to actually genuinely take notice of the majority’s concerns???????????

I've ignored you until now but I dunno where you get the idea that I'm an alias of someone else.

Anyway why not try arguing the points, e.g. like cryoftruth or unitedbiscuits who although their views are diametrically opposed to my own most of the time at least have a view, rather than just posting basically the same thing all the time.

Insulting/arguing against someone's views is one thing but I'm not interested in any attempts at personal insults as that is rather a pointless exercise given the anonymity of this site.

So basically either argue for or against handing more money over to the EU via whatever views you have or f off

monologue....again.....same as yesterday
.....just like it will be tomorrow
- some things in life are not optional

The lack of compassion amongst all you nazis is appalling. 

Why not just think of the poor and how we are helping them in europe.

We are all here sat on our bloated pay packets or, in my case, profits and you all moan
about giving to the EU charity - shame on you.

yup, i knew it, no other plans again

well, keep banging away at the keyboard, the day is still young
and a long ways off from 4:30am - you'll have so much fun, i envy you

Surely this is just applying rules already agreed to by everyone in the card game where the winner tips the dealer.

But in this game only the dealer has any money left at the end of the game. We are borrowing unheard of sums to create an illusion of growth and are paying these gangsters extra for the privilege?

Fucck that.

Nazis? Really?? Sigh rolling eyes!

Here we go again with that lefty crap referring to “the poor” like they’re some other species.

Well hand your money over then if you’re so bothered about Europeans just don’t try and force the rest of us to do so.

Surely it would be worse if you did not have to ante up a few quid after the card game because you lost.

The only thing I can see wrong is that its a politically bad time for Cameron on the face of it but one which he should be easily able to turn around to his advantage.

I think he might have been being facetious pawras

Well I hope so

Unfortunately our government are never facetious...although at times it is hard to think they are not

Quelle surprise. France and Germany are set for a bumper rebate.

You might be right EO when you said Britain are being penalised by creating an illusion of growth but would you not agree that Cameron is therefore in a tricky position because he cant very well admit that.

Well he could in one sense because this penalty is being imposed based on some kind of assessment arising from 1995 onwards and Labour were far more guilty on that score seeing as they borrowed money from 2002 to the very to of the boom. But that's not really the issue. These fucckers know that the people in this country feel we pay enough to these shysters. Sticking extra billions on top at this time isn't going to endear them to us.

Cameron should offer to pay when the auditors sign off on Europe's books.

Gosh pawras  you are so serious - can't you see I am doing lefty come whatever newspeak.   I am sorry that my humour doesn't entertain you - don't take it too seriously - I was just getting in ahead of the liberal guardianista PC police!!!

I wonder whether :-
It's a set up for Cameron to look strong before the by-election by refusing to pay, then trying to quietly cough it up afterwards.
The EU commissioners are manoeuvring us into a referendum, which they probably think they’ll be able to force a YES and keep us in chains so it ends up third time lucky for Germany and European domination.
The EU commissioners are so out of touch as to the true depth of feeling against them over here that they’re oblivious to how their demands will be met.
The EU commissioners have a good idea how much the public is against them but don’t care because as far they’re concerned we can just do as we’re told and the political fallout here is just background noise.

Apols I'm so used to the lefty newspeak from a few of them recently I didn't immediately recognise the sarcasm

Cameron's choice of words was interesting. Something along the lines of he isn't going to pay it on the 1st December.

Plenty of wiggle room there.

I would like to draw your attention to a fact.  A very large chunk of the elecotrate have been born into a post Common market entry.  They know nothing else. Therefore membership of the EU is a given. Do you follow my drift. So to talk about leaving something that is almost as permanent  as say the existence of Westminster, driving on the left, the royal family etc etc is not a topic that would interest them. It exists, we are in it, so why rock the boat- they are brought up to it in education and they receive large chunks of pro eu propaganda so why go to the bother of changing something which will cause too much hassle??

Amongst others like myself, we remember other times when not in the EU.

I do apologise pawras  I know I am a sarcastic old Kant.

m....o....n....o....l....o.....g....u....e

nothing more than a deranged mug confined
to a chair sending posts back-and-forth
to himself all day, day after day, trapped
in his own fantasy and delusion

i must admit though, i envy the simple lifestyle
no,no,no, stop it, i am not kidding,
don't let my laughing throw you off,
i mean it, i do envy the simple lifestyle

who is this immebecile cut and pasting the same stuff across threads?

pawras   
24 Oct 14 15:44 
who is this immebecile cut and pasting the same stuff across threads?

That's the banned Menelaus, now known as ExtremeX or gus.

You can read all about him on 'THE FACE OF A LUNATIC' thread.

bark, bark some more, bark louder, oirish,
with all the bluster, huffing and puffing,
vulgarity and 10-year old child cleverness you can muster,
-who knows may be you'll be able to put the toothpaste
back in the tube again

now moving though, well that's another matter

pawras

My belief, disputed by others, is that he is an unhinged stalker who formerly went by the name of Menelaus who got banned because he made a complete fool of himself when he chased me from forum to forum taking a beating every time. I've blocked him because he keeps posting pretty much the same post day after day. His theory is that every single person on this forum apart from him is in fact me. That's right. Everybody. Including you. Every last one of the others here know for a fact that he is a deranged nutter. Now you do as well.

think you could be right paw....it all looks very fishy
1. unexpected large debt
2.cameron rides into town saying he wont pay it
3.cameron looks like superhero
4. ukip left floundering

Barroso you are an utter embarrassment. What a load of absolute drivel you are spouting. We are not far away from leaving thank God.

EO is right when he made the point the only thing Cameron has said is that he wont pony up the money by the 1st of December. The readjustment is after all based on the figures supplied by each government. Britain got a rebate in 2008 under the same system. However, where Cameron could argue the figures is around the fact a percentage of the bill is based on the estimated black market economy in each country.

yeah prostitution and drugs. I'm sure we can get an accurate figure where this is concerned. What an absolute shambles this EU is. Predict a total ukip landslide in the next by election.

will 'CAMERON STANDS UP TO EU' and 'WE WILL NOT PAY' benefit him and tweedlecon in the forthcoming by-election which ukip may win

are the EU and tweedlecon complicit in staging this

afterall tweedlecon and the EU  share a common goal

to keep Britain in the EU AT ANY PRICE

cameron sounded far too confident and smug that the uk wouldnt pay........looks like a set up to me

an interesting idea...conspiracy

Although can Cameron refuse?, will the EU not just take it back in other ways
or threaten to expel us?

I do not like our Politicians making statements they are not prepared to back up

I suspect there will be some kind of quiet compromise myself

could be broadsword

He has not said he will not pay Gery, he implied that he will pay it when HE is good and ready. Oh what a defiant shirt lifter he is. He will pull his own pants down, NOBODY, he repeats NOBODY will pull his pants down apart from himself.

Oh I see....sounds about right Angel

what im saying ebul is that the "debt" may not be real

fair enough

The EU are like a blackmailer,the more you pay the more they want.

Britain has always been looked on as a cash cow,about time ye stood up and said no more.

I wouldn't trust Cameron at all,his protestations sound hollow because he has put a date on it,you get the feeling when they get him into a meeting he will fold like the empty suit he is.

It`s in the EU Rule Book, he must have known about this for a while. The performance which is staged will be the adverse reaction to the demand which he will have known about earlier.

Cameron works for the people of Britain right? and now this. Perfect timing.

I don't think he knows what day of the week it is.

You would have to think the EU are secretly supporters of Ukip.

EO is right when he made the point so said the eeternaliar about the eeternaliar. Give it up mate, you are fooling nobody.

This is a stupid thread. The rules of the EU are stupid. Its quite a laugh that Greece is supposed to have such a thriving economy its got to send some money back to the EU to pay for hard up Germany. But it is the rules, the same ones we signed up to or rather Thatcher and Major signed up to and good old Tony Benn was wholly opposed to of course.

Its a narional disgrace that we take the rebates and even use the EU court when it suits us (ie when we or rather Greasy is trying to save the Tory Party doners' (that would be the bankers EO so adores) but shout "foul" when a rule seems to be going aginst us.

Cameron is like a spoiled child. He seemed happy enough to use rules to claim dosh from the British tax payers when he had a climbing wysteria that needed pruning. Now he hates the rules when it makes him look stupid and UKIP get a bargain bonus.

He will pay it under duress and carry on the indignation act luring supporters into believing he wants out and a referendum imminent `but vote TORY, it`s the only way you will get what you want.`

This may get them over the line at the next GE. A whole lotta reverse psychology will be delivered from now until then.

Cameron has no chance of winning the next General election,he has been found out as a fraud,a PR man who just believes in power for powers sake.

How is this a stupid thread.
Its only right that people realise that The EU gives you nothing but wants to draw all the time

of course. Cameron will make out he is really terribly EU sceptic until it comes down to it. Then he will campaign for Britain to stay in.

In short I think what you really mean by saying Cameron will use "revers psychology" is that he is going to tell lies. He has quite a record in the lying department as well especially regards expenses claims.

Cry,
UK were part of the "common market" before Thatcher and Major were PMs.

Thatcher did not sign up the this 2013 version of the "common market".

Thatcher won a rebate for the UK - Blair gave it away on the condition that France thinks about looking at the vast amount of tax payers money given to inefficient French farmers. Needless to say the French thought about looking at the vast amount of money they took fromBlair.

Just cut spending, reduce benefits, reduce public sector pensions, cut the number of state employed "workers", reduce eU budget.

paddletoe/eeternaliar.
That is complete rubbish even by your standards.

You poor idiot. You're getting as bad as Melly. If you aren't following me around like a lost puppy what are contributing to any of the various discussions on here?

This bill was given to the British exchequer over a week ago but apparently no one there thought to mention it to Cameron until yesterday.

By the way cryofthetruth, have you ever thought about posting anything on these forums other than fiction. There is no correlation whatsoever between what Greece have to pay and what Germany don't have to pay. It don't work like that.

The real good news is that France will be getting half of this contribution.

This is the country that ye bailed out in two wars,this is the country that made the rules so unfair on Britain that they had to give a rebate,this is the country that despite its relative wealth has managed to draw down billions for its greedy self.

It is also the country which the world the phrase Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité.

which give the world.....

Looks like the fudging of GDP figures (including the inclusion of new dubious imputations, prostitution and illegal drugs) has back fired on Dangerous Dave and Gidiot.

nothing will be done about it and we will not leave the eu

too many politicians have a personal and financial interest in staying

and the propaganda PRO eu will continue

yeah, yeah, like that, now you are a getting it, oirish

a couple of more hundred characters like this one, as well as
the new ones that keep showing up on all the other threads,
and i'll be convinced there's more than you on here,
the toothpaste will be back in the tube,
and northy, gus and melly will stop laughing

i see you started the merry-go-round again this morning, any other plans today, or is your condition pretty much rule that out?

ExcrementX please have a read of the recent posts on “The face of a lunatic” thread

so we have the eeternaliar aliases for all to see on the one forum. Paddletoe/mexico/pawras/eetrrnaliar. Sometimes he makes out that paddletoe is slightly less right wing than the others but its so obvious they are all the same odious liar.

You do wonder just how much time the liar spends making up odious lies and attacking anybody else who dares to come onto the forum. Its clearly hours and hours each day. How pathetic he is!

Of course the obvious fact is that most everybody else, sooner or leter gets fed up of the barage of bilge and bigoted tripe coming from the extreme idiot, and leaves this forum. They get bored and sick of the petty point scoring & odious extremist  anti black, pro banker lies and drivel. Eeternaliar - you have wrecked the forum for many people, just as you intended to do. Well done indeed! Good job pal!

This is a minor issue though. Much more worrying is the impact on eeternaliar himself. How can someone spending 12 to 14 hours maybe more some days, plugged into a betting website forum, having converstaions withnhimslef, making up aliases to talk to and slagging people off unless they are very sad, very lonely & all screwed up inside?

I actually feel sorry for the forumites who have left becasue of the activities of this right wing bigot.

However I feel pity for the inadequate creature himself. What a shocking, empty and awful life he must lead with only the Daily Mail and the internet for compnay. Its quite sad really.

if you think I'm also one of those other guys then you're more nuts than I thought.

On the subject of the EU surcharge here's my 6 penneth.

If you are in a club abide by the rules or fk off out of it. This charge is not out of the blue its appeared this way either out of a stupid right hand not knowing what its treasury hand is doing; or which is more likely; to propel this nation ever further to the right. Yep I am  also referring to another knee jerk rightwards lurch by Nulab.

As a supporter of Europe in everyway I'd like to say we have not "lost" this money its going to the European community. A community we are  member of and from which we get massive benefits. Play by the rules I thought all you nationalists and right wingers believed in cricket.

very well said, larry, but you are too hard on yourself

you have a handicap that confines you to a chair,
a sleeping disorder that keeps you up all night
and a serious mental illness that detaches you from the real world,
what else precisely can you do other than glue yourself in a chair
around the clock and bang on a keyboard,
every day without exception,
engaging yourself under different chat names????

- the fact that someone instructed you how to hack
this forum was added incentive for you to make it your reality, your world, your life.......so you did

so, when calling yourself pathetic, although northy, gus, melly and i totally agree, at a personal level
you need to consider all the circumstances, especially when life was so cruel to you


















































THERE....IS.....NO.....ONE.....ELSE......HERE,
with the exception of northy, gus, melly, and the occasional
passerby who could easily be spotted....THERE...NEVER....WAS
only a low IQ lunatic talking to himself
around the clock each an every day

The bad news for cryoftruth is the obsessed one thinks he is Eeternaloptimist as well.

The worst case of Stockholm Syndrome ever.

It also shows the obsessed one no longer reads the posts just puts up his usual

           He is here,there everywhere.

If you are in a club abide by the rules or fk off out of it

That's the plan.

Especially since you agreed to the rules when you joined the club.

Good. Sounds like we're agreed.

We no longer agree with the rules, so should therefore leave the club.

No Deranged. When we joined the club we agreed to join a communtity of trading nations. A common market. Put this shambles before the British people of that time and you would have been laughed all the way back across the channel to your garlic munching left bank chums.

By the way I didn't hear how much money you are putting down on your assertions that any of these posters are me?

Go on. You choose. They don't all have to be me. Just one and you can have even money. What's not to like? Now get down to the bank and get your two bob out and be a man for once.

We no longer agree with the rules, so should therefore leave the club

Oh yes. I have always been opposed to the EU. We can ceratibly agree on that point Room0182.

I think you will find eeternaliar/paddletoe/mexixo that the UK has agreed to the rules being applied whether you say otherwise, as with so many things, is entirely imaterial. In fact since you always lie your sad head off, the more you disagree with soemthing, the more sure it is to be the case.

And don't start the "I bet you 90 zillions its not me" krappp off all over again. We established last time you did that a few things:

1. You and paddletoe and mexico are the same oaf. There may be more of you but the 3 are settled.
2. You tell lies all the time and have been caught doing so repeatedly.
3. You are a nasty extremist with a long record stretching back some years of supporting Fascists like Pinochet, racists like Enich Powell whilst slating Nelson Mandela and anyione else who is brown or black.

Now sop asking for the slappings by lying and talking tripe and I may ease off on you a while.

The real good news is that France will be getting half of this contribution.

This is the country that ye bailed out in two wars,this is the country that made the rules so unfair on Britain that they had to give a rebate,this is the country that despite its relative wealth has managed to draw down billions for its greedy self.

You cannot blame France Wildman, it is ourselves we have to blame , or our governments, for being soft enough to fall for it

We live in a competitive World

Of course Cameron will have to pay, the EU will take just take it back elsewhere
As far the EU is concerned we play by their rules or get out afraid...that is reality

ps
If you think this country did any better in WWII that the French, you are dreaming, it was only the English channel that
saved us
Although as with France it was not the failure of our boys, the failure was at the top.

Yes Gerry and those at the top here were also suported by (and were no doubt readers of) the Daily Mail - that paper wot "supported our lads"; oh err no they didn't they supoported Adolf's lads didn't they!

You are as unhinged as ExtremeX.