Britain is a paradise for poor migrants, say angry French

So one French n0b shoots off his mouth

Big deal!

The French are moaning about the buggers racing through their country to get to us. Perhaps they should spare a thought for the poor beleaguered British who can't afford the milk and honey bestowed on these often unwanted guests.

I have already proven that Britain lies only seventh in a table of the twelve wealthiest EU countries when it comes to the percentage of foreign born nationals. Austria and Sweden have up to 15%.

Everything else is noise

You've never proven anything other than the fact that you are a bellend Mad Lad.

Takes one to know one.......or two.......................or twelve!

That rapier wit.

Twelve bellends hanging from a wall.
Twelve bellends hanging from a wall.
But if one bellend should accidentally fall,
There be eleven bell ends hanging from a wall!.

...now you sing it EO's alias chorus!

Marvellous. I can't believe you haven't been snapped up by one of the top greetings card manufacturers.

Nov 12, 2013 -- 5:44PM, Eeternaloptimist wrote:

You've never proven anything other than the fact that you are a bellend Mad Lad.

Twelve bellends hanging from a wall.
Twelve bellends hanging from a wall.
But if one bellend should accidentally fall,
There be eleven bell ends hanging from a wall!.
Oh wait!! the bellend climbs back onto the wall.
Twelve bellends hanging from a wall.
Another bellend, believing everything he's told, climbs onto the wall.
Thirteen bellends hanging from a wall....
.....
......
.......
until there are millions of bellend like Nlad hanging from a wall.

I think another spin of this might be appropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0WXFzqCRXk

I like the bit at the end with Northy, Karla and friends watchng the boat sail away.

That’s Northy on the left and Karla on the right wearing the headscarf.

I never watch/read anything http:www unless there is a full explanation of what I'm about to reference. - Pure laziness.

No idea what your talking about Crippin!

"The thing they want is to go to England. In their original countries those people are saying, ‘If you go to England, you will have everything. You will have a house, you will have money, you will have a job, your family will be able to join you’".



how do the benefit systems of other european countries compare to here.?

there must be a powerful incentive for them to come here, but what is it?

northernlad5

   13 Nov 13 14:01


Country  Total population (1000) Total Foreign-born (1000) %
EU 27    501,098                 47,348                    9.4
Germany  81,802                  9,812                    12.0
France   64,716                  7,196                    11.1
U K      62,008                  7,012                    11.3
Spain    45,989                  6,422                    14.0
Italy    60,340                  4,798                     8.0
Netherl  16,575                  1,832                    11.1
Greece   11,305                  1,256                    11.1
Sweden    9,340                  1,337                    14.3
Austria   8,367                  1,276                    15.2
Belgium  10,666                  1,380                    12.9
Portugal 10,637                    793                     7.5
Denmark   5,534                    500                     9.0

If you lot of racist/fascists want to discuss immigration try sticking to the facts.
Despite the recent so called open door policy UK ranks only 6th of 12 leading EU countries.

Conspiracy, stop peddling Daily Mail racist lies!

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-SF-11-034/EN/KS-SF-11-034-EN.PDF

Some very interesting stats here.

There were 47.3 million foreign-born residents in the EU in 2010, corresponding to 9.4% of the total population.

The UK comes in at 11.3% but that is only part of the story because the largest part of these people are drawn to the large cities of England.

But of course that is only part of the issue. Who is coming? Is it highly intelligent/highly skilled people who will add to our increasingly knowledge/technology based needs?

Page 5 of the above report gives us a very interesting insight into this question:

63.4% of the EU residents born abroad come from Highly Developed countries Eurostat has recently started collecting data which show the distribution of EU residents by the level of development of their country of birth. For this purpose the Human Development Index (HDI) is used. The HDI is calculated by the United Nations under the UN Development Programme as a composite index that measures progress in three basic dimensions – health, education and living standards. Countries are classified into High, Medium and Less Developed countries. The group of High HDI countries consists mainly of Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, large parts of South America and some countries in Western Asia. Medium and Less Developed countries are mainly situated in the rest of Asia and Africa.

At EU level, 63.4% of the foreign-born population were born in High HDI countries, 31.5% in Medium HDI countries and 5.1% in Less Developed countries. In Slovenia the percentage of people born in other Highly Developed countries was the highest (98.5%), while in France it was the lowest (40.9%). In four of the five Member States with the largest foreign-born populations - namely France, the United Kingdom, Spain and Italy - the share of those born in High HDI countries was
below the EU average. This has the effect of lowering the EU-27 average, as a result of which,the share of most Member States exceeds the
average.,In all EU-27 countries, the foreign-born population from High HDI countries was over-represented in comparison to the distribution of the total world
population, of which less than 30% live in Highly Developed countries.

When you look at the country we most resemble out of the EU 27 and the country we aspire to match in Germany it is very noticeable that when you compare us and indeed France to Germany and some of the other high end technology and service EU countries we are drawing a massive percentage of our immigrants from poorer countries largely more poorly educated countries. Countries like Germany are drawing in a huge percentage of their immigrants from (HDI) or richer largely better educated countries.

Given the fact of our relations with most of the HDI countries like America, Australia, New Zealand etc these figures are astonishing.

That's a challenge we need to address. It isn't necessarily how many? It is how many and where? It's about existing population densities in those areas and it is also about the abilities of the people who are coming to this country.

Pure gobledegook rubbish.

In Britain immigrants only come to the cities - In Germany they go to the Bavarian Mountains!

No northernlad. In Britain immigrants tend to go to England. In England the immigrants gravitate to the cities. England is comparatively small with a comparatively large population in the cities. But the figures quoted relate to the UK as a whole which is therefore unrepresentative. A country like Germany has a lower population density than the UK and within the UK the population density in Wales and Scotland is much lower than in England. The relative existing population densities between England and Germany and indeed most of the rest of Europe are very different. Therefore it is far more difficult for a country like England to take in more.

Which of that are you finding difficult to comprehend?

After we've done that we can go on to discuss the actual people who are settling here compared to Germany.

The number of people living in England has overtaken the population density of Holland, which has traditionally been the most densely-populated major nation on the continent.

The count, which has been attributed to higher levels of immigration, shows England now has 395 people per square kilometre.

The figures were obtained in a parliamentary answer from the Office of National Statistics.

In 2008 the average number of people per square kilometre in Britain was 253, rising to 395 in England.

Latest figures from Holland show that its population density was 395 a square kilometre in 2002 and 393 in 2005. It is estimated that English population density will rise to 464 people for every square kilometre by 2031.

The population density in England is already almost double the level in Germany and quadruple that in France.

I'm not finding it difficult to comprehend at all as there is nothing to comprehend your just talking rubbish.

Which part of England has 395 persons per kilometre and it being nearly double that of Germany is rubbish?

Which part of we are taking the worlds poor while Germany creams off the highly educated and skilled is rubbish?

And quadruple that of France?

The number of people living in England has overtaken the population density of Holland, which has traditionally been the most densely-populated major nation on the continent.

Which part of let's put up the full sign don't you get?

EO stop telling lies-

Latest population density 2007.
       
      people per sq kilom.
Malta     1261
Holland       394
Belgium       344
UK            246
Germany       225

Just to give some perspective

Macau China 20,069
Singapore   19,863
Monaco      18,068
Hong Kong    6,516
Gibralter    4,250

Some more surprising-

Bermuda      1,321
Maldives     1.065
St Maarten   1,101
Jersey   UK    844
Guernsey UK    800

As population density's around the world go UK, is under populated, the sleepy US Island of Guam has 295 to the UK's 262.

Try basing you arguments with facts rather than your racist nationalist bias!

Well firstly even an idiot wouldn't describe 2007 as the "latest". Secondly you still seem to be having trouble understanding that it is England where people want to live and it is England's population density which is relevant. Finally if you want to go "around the world" then do so. Don't just cite the places where population density is off the scale because they live on nearly every square inch. Let's have the figures for Australia. Let's have them for America. Let's have them for Canada. You know places where people actually want to live. You feel free to emigrate to any of the world's shiit holes if that floats your boat. Just don't try to turn the rose of England into what causes roses to grow.

In the meantime so you can get into the feel you want to create let us have your address so we can send round the twenty people designated to live with you.

So Jersey, Guernsey & Bermuda are s*** holes are they?

And yes lets include Australiawith its uninhabitable deserts. USA -  "Anyone for Death Valley?" or Canada If you like tens of thousands of square miles of frozen mountainous wastes!

As for the Rose of England being so fragrant, why the f*** do you choose to live in Scotland if its so aromatic down here?

As I said you just talk rubbish - stick to putting out chimney fires!

Yep - including Scottish & Welsh mountain ranges will produce a meaningless low result in terms of populatiomn density.

Anybody using this stat obviously has a poor grasp of basic statistics & geography.

Old story here claims England has highest population density in Europe.
Of course if some uneducated lad was to include the British Antarctic Territory then the population density would drop.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in-Europe.html

The population density of the UK is skewed by the relatively high numbers per sq km in England. For example in 2011 London's population was over 5,200 per sq km.

For someone who quite correctly refers to Australia's deserts and Canada's tundra regions, it's surprising that the vast, virtually uninhabited areas of the Scottish highlands and the scarcely inhabited hills and mountains of Wales are seemingly ignored.

Scotland highlands & Wales mountains VAST? In comparison with Canada's frozen wasteland and Australia's deserts and rainforests??? Don't talk through your friggin' dense arse!

The reason for high population in Jersey, Guernsey & Bermuda is the numbers of hotel workers.

Scotland highlands & Wales mountains VAST? In comparison with Canada's frozen wasteland and Australia's deserts and rainforests??? Don't talk through your friggin' dense arse!

You really are a complete imbecile who cannot grasp a simple point! You are too stupid and rude to make it worthwhile attempting to explain.

There is nothing too explain.. you simply can not compare Canada & Australia's uninhabitable regions with Scotland's & Wales, there is absolutely no comparison.
Those county's population density's are always going to be among the lowest in the world despite their considerable wealth.

Why do sensible,logic thinking forumites waste their time and energy arguing with somebody as ill-mannered and completely misinformed ,and lacking in loyalty for their country,as northernlad?Just ignore him,and with a bit of luck he will disappear,and take his distorted anti British views with him.

Another idiot comes out to play!

And how is providing accurate analysis of population density distorted anti-British views?
- you dumb p****!

Or maybe I should say Britain is the most densely populated country on the planet & we must get rid of blacks & Muslims. Would that suit your warped sense of neo Nazi rascist Britishness?

Jesus wept!

The urbanisation is very high in most countries and in Australia for instance most people live near the coast.

You're clearly as ill as Melly northern lad. You don't need to lie. Just accept the truth as I explained to you that England is the most densely populated major nation in Europe. That is with large areas which are virtually uninhabited.

Secondly you still seem to be having trouble understanding that it is England where people want to live and it is England's population density which is relevant. Finally if you want to go "around the world" then do so. Don't just cite the places where population density is off the scale because they live on nearly every square inch. Let's have the figures for Australia. Let's have them for America. Let's have them for Canada. You know places where people actually want to live. You feel free to emigrate to any of the world's shiit holes if that floats your boat.

EO is normally an intelligent poster but he is just being disingenuous again.

England may be the densest among big European nations but we have to remember that we are in an Island and successful islands like Britain, Malta, Macau, Japan, Singapore, Hong kong etc tend to attract alot of immigrants.

Paris has a population density of over 20,000/sq km which is about 4 times higher than England's densest city which is London.

Barcelona, Athens or Monaco are about 3 times as crowded as London is.

London does not even make the top 50 from this European list!!! France and Spain seem to have been overrepresented even though they are some of the largest/least dense countries in Europe people will only go to live where there is prosperity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_cities_proper_by_population_density

Looking at the US despite their size there are quite a few cities that are more densely populated than London!!!

New York City is twice as densely populated as London is!!! Cities like San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia and Miami have higher/similar densities as London.

I know many people whose dreams would be to live in many of the overcrowded cities I listed above!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density

I'm not being in the least disingenuous Boris but at least your arguments are well thought out and without the lunatic assertions about Nazism which Mad Lad comes out with.

If I may take your post point by point:

England may be the densest among big European nations but we have to remember that we are in an Island and successful islands like Britain, Malta, Macau, Japan, Singapore, Hong kong etc tend to attract alot of immigrants.

No matter how I turn that statement around it just seems like you are conflating two different things and assuming some kind of link. Why on earth would island status attract immigrants any more than any other country. Do they bring their bucket and spades with them for the beach?

Paris has a population density of over 20,000/sq km which is about 4 times higher than England's densest city which is London.

Barcelona, Athens or Monaco are about 3 times as crowded as London is.

London does not even make the top 50 from this European list!!! France and Spain seem to have been overrepresented even though they are some of the largest/least dense countries in Europe people will only go to live where there is prosperity.

That's an interesting point but I wasn't suggesting that London was any more densely populated than other cities. People are attracted to success. I agree with this point. So why England and not Germany which has a much lower population density?

Looking at the US despite their size there are quite a few cities that are more densely populated than London!!!

New York City is twice as densely populated as London is!!! Cities like San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia and Miami have higher/similar densities as London.

I know many people whose dreams would be to live in many of the overcrowded cities I listed above!!!

And if that works for individuals then that is dandy but it clearly doesn't seem to be working for the people of this country for who immigration and assimilation seems to be a major issue.

And you didn't address the elephant in the room. No disrespect to these people and their situation but why are other European countries getting the cream of the world's immigrants and we are getting the neep dockers?

Much of what I was going to say Boris.
When all of a sudden did it become England and not the UK.
England has little inhospitable areas, unlike Germany for example.
If you want you can push density population up even further, by cutting out the poor counties, and only counting the South East. Or maybe just count London.... O no but then although France has a quite low density population, Paris, as Boris said, has twice the density of London.

We can take heart that even approaching 400 per sq kilom. We can safely double that before we start screaming like the Jersey Islanders at 800 per sq kilom.

The population of Jersey could stand on your fat head Mad Lad and still have room for a band stand in the middle.

Can't you hear those Jersey islanders screaming from the crush at 800 psk.
And all those princes, film stars, & billionaires in Monte Carlo must be at the point of asphyxiation with a whopping 18,000 psk. That's about 46 times the pop density of England 395 psk.



I told you, you were talking rubbish, and I think the likes of Monte Carlo regular Roman Abramovich would agree with me! - no pleb, in no s*** hole

All of them are not crowded in a subway train at the same time in the morning either.

Fair enough northern lad you have your views and I have mine. We're hardly likely to reach agreement. Why don't we look again at the thread title? You seemed to disagree with it. I've put up evidence about the kind of people who are coming to this country as opposed to countries like Germany and they are disproportionately coming from these poorer countries often with limited educations.

Is this not a cause of concern for you?

Limited educations can be a resourse also.

Like I said who needs an engineer or IT specialist when you can have a neep docker or sponger? Send us your useless lumps. The ones we have already aren't enough.

Take the Roma's & Bulgarians - there wont be that many as most will prefer to go to GERMANY
ITALY FRANCE HOLLAND & SWEDEN, skilled or unskilled.

A report today on the breakdown of the better UK employment figures stated that jobs at the bottom were providing the bulk of the jobs.
Jobs at the top end had also increased.
While the skilled jobs in the middle are still in short supply.

EO

No matter how I turn that statement around it just seems like you are conflating two different things and assuming some kind of link. Why on earth would island status attract immigrants any more than any other country. Do they bring their bucket and spades with them for the beach? Laugh

It is true that I conflated two seemingly different things. But I believe that places like Gibraltar, Malta, Jersey or Britain have higher population densities because of the success of their economies compared to their neighbours.

The fact remains that London would have more than 30million souls living in it if we decided to cram in a similar density as that of Paris and I am not sure Paris is the worst place to live in.

People are attracted to success. I agree with this point. So why England and not Germany which has a much lower population density?


You know very well that the main cause for this is the stupid and ruinous decision by our ancestors to have that empire malarkey!!! They made English and our culture the centre of the world so most of the world learn English/American and aspire to come and live the dream and no one learns German or Japanese.

Germany had to forego its empire hence they do not have that legacy unlike Britain, France or Spain who feel the need to invite in immigrants from their former colonies who tend to be poorer than other EU immigrants who populate the likes of Germany, Austria, Switzerland etc.

And if that works for individuals then that is dandy but it clearly doesn't seem to be working for the people of this country for who immigration and assimilation seems to be a major issue.

People from this country and everywhere else in the world have always been opposed to most immigration from time immemorial so why are you telling me there water in the sea?

I can’t see why Northy is so keen on high immigration.
After all it’s his lot that suffers most from unemployment.

They can’t find jobs now. So what chance do they have with a ready supply of better motivated workers coming here from the continent ready to snap up all the low paid jobs?

"I can’t see why Northy is so keen on high immigration.
After all it’s his lot that suffers most from unemployment.

They can’t find jobs now. So what chance do they have with a ready supply of better motivated workers coming here from the continent ready to snap up all the low paid jobs?"- said dr c


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religion often causes people to behave irrationally

Nolads religion is communism

it is that, that causes him to behave contrary to his own interests

when the nwo/commies takeover the elite at the top will not include him

he will be like one of the plebs in north korea

the  main aims of communism are a world bank, world currency and world government

thats why nolad wants mass immigration

the purpose is to destroy britain as a nation state so that resistance to  eu  political union will be fatally weakened

Dr Crippen
   14 Nov 13 10:11

"I can’t see why Northy is so keen on high immigration.
After all it’s his lot that suffers most from unemployment.

They can’t find jobs now. So what chance do they have with a ready supply of better motivated workers coming here from the continent ready to snap up all the low paid jobs"?

Yes Crippin lets fill our businesses and factories and services with un-motivated shirkers.
That will hold Britain in good stead for the future. The 'Made in Britain' brand reduced to a bag of shoite in the eyes of the rest of the world.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't........................

Stop paying the shirkers to breed and eat. Pay them to work. If they won't work allow nature to encourage them. Hunger is a great motivator.

Say's him on his part time, chimney fire extinguishing, tax payer dependent, mass contribution to our economic woe's!

Highly motivated!

What we have to pay the shirkers in handouts, cancels out any benefit we might get from  the hard workers from abroad doing the menial jobs.

Also the kind of jobs the immigrants do are never going to boost our economy.
If cheap unskilled labour were so important to an economy, then the countries they're coming from wouldn't be in such a state.

Bollocks!
How much do you think it would cost the economy if the restaurant and takeaway industry closed, and like me Jamie Oliver & Gordon Ramsey wouldn't be happy either!

Why should any slop houses close?

We've got plenty of labour capable of cooking without employing illegal immigrants just because they'll work for a bowl of rice a day.

Cooking is a woman's job anyway.

You don't want to fall for that celebrity chef bollox either.

Nobody ever eats the muck they prepare.

They're simply shows to provide entertainment for the ladies.
And of course the limp wristed gentlemen amongst us.

Listen Mad Lad you fool. If you want to work all day like a dog for a pound don't blame someone smarter than you who makes money even when he is sleeping.

Women don't watch young Oliver or Ramsey to watch them cooking.
They watch them because they want to go to bed with them.

When they say have you tasted my meat and two veg?

They're not talking about cooking.

Eeternaloptimist
   14 Nov 13 18:25

"Listen Mad Lad you fool. If you want to work all day like a dog for a pound don't blame someone smarter than you who makes money even when he is sleeping".

As I suspected - well while your sleeping with your curtains drawn, the rest of us are going out to create the tax revenue you collect in benefits!

Your lazy attitude is a national problem!

Northy talking of celebrity chefs.

Nigela Lawson is on Channel 41 now cooking.

Lots of close ups of her face (before her husband gave her a shiner of course.)
Close ups of her fingers, her hair, and of course shots of her t its hanging out.

Wait a bit! 

Aren’t women supposed to wear a hair net when they’re preparing food?
The dirty cow looks like she’s dressed up for a dinner and dance not for the kitchen. 

See what I mean Northy.

I've told you before Mad Lad. I don't claim benefits. I know the concept of investments wouldn't concern someone like you who is only fit for washing dishes or slicing meat off the kebab stick but don't judge everyone's intellect by your lack of it. If you don't understand that ask castor to explain it next time he is slipping you one while telling you space stories.

yes yes doctor

but please keep it quiet - I love watching nigela with her bo....  err  bowl of cake mix busily stirring away and wobbling all over the place -  oops!!! I seem to have made a mess!!!  must go!!  toodle pip!!!!

EO's a benefit scrounger!
Hiding behind his curtains & sleeping while we the tax payer fund his bank account!

O what a disgrace,
O what a shame.
He lies to our face,
Sez others are to blame!

That knocking on the back of your head is your brain cell trying to get back in. Don't open up.