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Odds now down to 6/1, getting 19% in the last proper poll and many people I talk to here seem to be voting for them.
Bizarrely it also appears that Labour supporters (and there aren't that many outside the Town centre) will be tactically voting for the Anti Europeans.
Todays unscientific poll from the Daily Echo is as follows ...
Lib Dem 21.9% Conservative 21.5% UKIP 17.9% Labour 11.8% Others 4.9% Will not vote 22%
Bizarrely it also appears that Labour supporters (and there aren't that many outside the Town centre) will be tactically voting for the Anti Europeans.
Todays unscientific poll from the Daily Echo is as follows ...
Lib Dem 21.9% Conservative 21.5% UKIP 17.9% Labour 11.8% Others 4.9% Will not vote 22%
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Lib Dems really should win. They hold every single local council seat and the UKIP protest vote is eating into the Conservative rather than the Lib Dem vote.
so Cameron's referendum will be shown to be a lame duck
xmoneyx,
I think all but the real tribalists accept it is a lame duck anyway.
A defeat ( especially if 3rd) will prove it, and dave or gideons days are numbered.
I think all but the real tribalists accept it is a lame duck anyway.
A defeat ( especially if 3rd) will prove it, and dave or gideons days are numbered.
Let them finish third and take a lesson on bard (unlikely I know). I would love to se UKIP finish a very close second to shake up all the ratbags in Westminster.
until we have a revolution it ain't going to change - wot is the fkn point
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick
Lib Dem President Tim Farron in high spirits at #Eastleigh count. His party very confinent + reckon they got 40% of postal vote
Lib Dem President Tim Farron in high spirits at #Eastleigh count. His party very confinent + reckon they got 40% of postal vote
UKIP coming out best in this with the tories and labour given a slapping.
Cameron offered an in/out referendum on Europe - something he had offered before and withdrawn.
I think the voters saw through this - hence Tories took third place.
I think the voters saw through this - hence Tories took third place.
Labour held their vote.
Liberal majority 1771 over UKIP.
Liberal majority 1771 over UKIP.
cc - when exactly did Cameron withdraw this offer of an 'in/out' referendum before?
A kick in the balls for the Tories, but they are too arrogant and out of touch to heed the warning.
According to Gove the message is that we are taking firm action and it is hurting.
Nothing to do with
Europe
Immigration
Tax reductions for the wealthiest
Increased borrowing
Continued wasteful expenditure
prepare for Opposition.
According to Gove the message is that we are taking firm action and it is hurting.
Nothing to do with
Europe
Immigration
Tax reductions for the wealthiest
Increased borrowing
Continued wasteful expenditure
prepare for Opposition.
Indeed. Looks like the Tories are going to pay for their lack of resolve and general incompetence.
Wonder what this says for UKIP - after all this isn't just a sideshow MEP vote.
Wonder what this says for UKIP - after all this isn't just a sideshow MEP vote.
England is now a 4 main party state---like SNP Scotland
torus hav a lot to worry about
torus hav a lot to worry about
Farage- "we would have won but for the tories splitting our vote" 
Have to admit thats a clever line
Have to admit thats a clever line
should be fun watching the Tory contenders trying to out-neanderthal each other to demonstrate their Farage-beating credentials.
think i'll have a couple of quid on the most useless creature in Westminster (IDS) to have a second go at wrecking the Tories for once and all
think i'll have a couple of quid on the most useless creature in Westminster (IDS) to have a second go at wrecking the Tories for once and all
The conservatives may be more ruthless than appreciated.Certainly they wouldn't have sleepwalked into the mess Gordy took Labour into and an accomodation may be reached with UKIP by getting rid of Cameron and replacing him with David Davis,I certainly hope so.
"should be fun watching the Tory contenders trying to out-neanderthal each other to demonstrate their Farage-beating credentials."
Call it neanderthal if you want, but the fact is significant amounts of the electorate are fed up with the EU, liberal attitudes to crime, excessive government spending, uncontrolled immigration and the Human Rights Act.
The politicians just might have to adapt to what the electorate want. While Eastleigh was bad for Cameron, it was also a disaster for the Left.
Call it neanderthal if you want, but the fact is significant amounts of the electorate are fed up with the EU, liberal attitudes to crime, excessive government spending, uncontrolled immigration and the Human Rights Act.
The politicians just might have to adapt to what the electorate want. While Eastleigh was bad for Cameron, it was also a disaster for the Left.
how do you get away with saying that java - I am a jackbooted brownshirt by the time the ink is hardly dry ha ha!!!
If the Tories do swing towards a pact with Ukip it is difficult to see either Cameron or Boris Johnson working with Farage. I don't think they are quite daft enough to go for IDS again and David Davis is getting on and made a bit of a prat of himself with that resigning stunt. Dominic Raab may be in for a very rapid rise from obscurity ( and hopefully an even quicker one back there ).
While Eastleigh was bad for Cameron, it was also a disaster for the Left.
How so?Labour slightly increased their percentage from the GE,and the seat is way down on their target seats.Tories 2nd in the GE and targeting the seat strongly finish behind UKIP.Only a true blue rinser could see the result as being worse for Labour than the Tories.
How so?Labour slightly increased their percentage from the GE,and the seat is way down on their target seats.Tories 2nd in the GE and targeting the seat strongly finish behind UKIP.Only a true blue rinser could see the result as being worse for Labour than the Tories.
While Eastleigh was bad for Cameron, it was also a disaster for the Left
Come on TT. If by the "Left" you mean Labour, They were no-hopers at the outset, and despite a clown of a candidate marginally increased their share.
It was a disaster for one Party, and one party only. The Tories think the Party consists of the City and their business pals; there are a plenty of tories on average incomes, pensioners reliant on savings who have been totally screwed; while Gideon and Dave have looked after the top rate tax payers. Dave's EC policy was hollow; nobody was fooled. That is why UKIP did so well.
I still think they are too arrogant to take the message on board.
Come on TT. If by the "Left" you mean Labour, They were no-hopers at the outset, and despite a clown of a candidate marginally increased their share.
It was a disaster for one Party, and one party only. The Tories think the Party consists of the City and their business pals; there are a plenty of tories on average incomes, pensioners reliant on savings who have been totally screwed; while Gideon and Dave have looked after the top rate tax payers. Dave's EC policy was hollow; nobody was fooled. That is why UKIP did so well.
I still think they are too arrogant to take the message on board.
The tories are in a mess and UKIP may well sneak up and steal their thunder. If the electorate as java alludes to are ready to embrace more right of centre policies then they may cast their vote with the party who has been saying that all along rather than going for a party who just follow public opinion.
The worrying thing for labour must be that people are disillusioned with the coalition parties but havent switched votes to them. This is the second by-election where UKIP have been the big winners. One nation labour obviously doesn't include eastleigh.
The worrying thing for labour must be that people are disillusioned with the coalition parties but havent switched votes to them. This is the second by-election where UKIP have been the big winners. One nation labour obviously doesn't include eastleigh.
"How so?Labour slightly increased their percentage from the GE,and the seat is way down on their target seats"
Because of the swing from Lib/Lab to Tory/UKIP. Forget about individual parties and look at supposed ideology.
Because of the swing from Lib/Lab to Tory/UKIP. Forget about individual parties and look at supposed ideology.
If the Tories can't come to an agreement with UKIP before the next GE (and that maybe difficult with Dave as leader) the Tories cant win imo, and will certainly lose seats which will certainly concentrate the minds of Tory MPs in marginal seats.
Interesting times, with ironically Labour(who are frankly, offering nothing in terms of any serious alternative at the moment)the likely beneficiary at the GE of increased support for UKIP.
Interesting times, with ironically Labour(who are frankly, offering nothing in terms of any serious alternative at the moment)the likely beneficiary at the GE of increased support for UKIP.
Swing to Tory? Labour polled 4000 votes as they did in the GE.Tories down 14% bit less than the Lib Dem.This result was a DISASTER for the Tories as D Davies said yesterday lunchtime,"if we come third it will be a disaster".Did anybody think Labour could be third?Of course not.
BTW,exit poll of UKIP voters 8 out of ten said they would vote differently at a GE.Labour still expect to collect 4-5000 votes.
BTW,exit poll of UKIP voters 8 out of ten said they would vote differently at a GE.Labour still expect to collect 4-5000 votes.
Don't see how the tories can get a majority at the next election with or without an agreement UKIP. There only hope is the alternative is ed and ed. A lib dem labour coalition is the most likely outcome.
UKIP have a chance to breakthrough as a forth party. They now have policies on a range of issues not just europe. If they are serious about kicking on i cant see why they would do a deal with the tories. They are taking votes of all the parties not just the conservatives.
UKIP have a chance to breakthrough as a forth party. They now have policies on a range of issues not just europe. If they are serious about kicking on i cant see why they would do a deal with the tories. They are taking votes of all the parties not just the conservatives.
mick last time there was by election in eastleigh labour had no leader and came second. With ed this time they came forth.
It was a shocker for the tories but a bad night for labour to. The fact that 28% of the electorate switched alliance but none to labour is a problem for them if it happens on a wider scale.
It was a shocker for the tories but a bad night for labour to. The fact that 28% of the electorate switched alliance but none to labour is a problem for them if it happens on a wider scale.
Labour did not expect to do well in Eastleigh.The Tories did not expect to finish behind UKIP.A bad night for Labour is getting beat by Respect,not finishing fourth in Eastleigh with the same votes as they got in the GE.Tories need to win in Eastleigh in a GE to gain an overall majority,Labour do not.It was a far worse result for the Tories than it was for Labour is the point I was trying to make,not the other way around.
If the electorate as java alludes to are ready to embrace more right of centre policies
I am not certain a swing Right is what the Tories need.
A bit of decisiveness instead of U turns or constant kicking the problems down the road might help.
An understanding and a modicum of empathy with the electotae might help. Despite what Gideon, Dave etc. think the Tories are not all about high earning bankers and people gutted about paying 50% tax. The majority are pensioners with moderate savings, people on slightly above average incomes, and savers. All have been screwed to help the tories bale out their City backers.
Until they acknowledge that they are doomed to opposition.
People KNOW We are not all in this together. They know the National Debt is spiralling out of control.
They know Dave's EC stance was just a hollow attempt to avoid grasping the nettle.
Norman Tebbitt or somebody of that ilk is needed.
I am not certain a swing Right is what the Tories need.
A bit of decisiveness instead of U turns or constant kicking the problems down the road might help.
An understanding and a modicum of empathy with the electotae might help. Despite what Gideon, Dave etc. think the Tories are not all about high earning bankers and people gutted about paying 50% tax. The majority are pensioners with moderate savings, people on slightly above average incomes, and savers. All have been screwed to help the tories bale out their City backers.
Until they acknowledge that they are doomed to opposition.
People KNOW We are not all in this together. They know the National Debt is spiralling out of control.
They know Dave's EC stance was just a hollow attempt to avoid grasping the nettle.
Norman Tebbitt or somebody of that ilk is needed.
the Tories are not all about high earning bankers and people gutted about paying 50% tax.....All have been screwed to help the tories bale out their City backers.
not a single penny has been paid by Osborne or Cameron to bankers, the bailouts were all before 2010.
of course Northern Rock should not have received a penny, of course forcing a good bank to take over a bad bank and dumping it on the taxpayer was a bad move, but it is over, is not important in the current mess, and all predates 2010.
Cameron is no Conservative giant for sure, but your analysis is not sound. they u turn, they dither, due to their insecurity, innate liberalism and fear of being tarred with the "nasty toff" jibe, as if it matters. they do not do these things to benefit "bankers" whoever they are.
not a single penny has been paid by Osborne or Cameron to bankers, the bailouts were all before 2010.
of course Northern Rock should not have received a penny, of course forcing a good bank to take over a bad bank and dumping it on the taxpayer was a bad move, but it is over, is not important in the current mess, and all predates 2010.
Cameron is no Conservative giant for sure, but your analysis is not sound. they u turn, they dither, due to their insecurity, innate liberalism and fear of being tarred with the "nasty toff" jibe, as if it matters. they do not do these things to benefit "bankers" whoever they are.
the ukip wonkers are mre in tune with the people than anyone else and ukip are a farce
for me that says it all ha ha
for me that says it all ha ha
Hopelessly out of touch with the electorate.
Gay marriage isn't a priority outside of the vacuum that they live in.
Building on Green Belt antagonises Tories.
Removing the Age Allowance antagonises pensioners with modest savings.
Increasing University Fees antagonises aspirational Middle Income Tories.
Couple it with a Tax reduction for High earners and you get an Eastleigh. The Tory strength was in the local party support, the YCs etc. Dave and Gideon have lost that.
Norman Tebbitt sums it up, "Tory grassroots has shrivelled in the climate of contempt in which they are regarded by the Tory leadership."
Gay marriage isn't a priority outside of the vacuum that they live in.
Building on Green Belt antagonises Tories.
Removing the Age Allowance antagonises pensioners with modest savings.
Increasing University Fees antagonises aspirational Middle Income Tories.
Couple it with a Tax reduction for High earners and you get an Eastleigh. The Tory strength was in the local party support, the YCs etc. Dave and Gideon have lost that.
Norman Tebbitt sums it up, "Tory grassroots has shrivelled in the climate of contempt in which they are regarded by the Tory leadership."
"Swing to Tory? Labour polled 4000 votes as they did in the GE.Tories down 14% bit less than the Lib Dem"
Did you even read my post? Or do you just not understand that UKIP is a right wing party?
I'm as happy as anyone else to see the wet Cameron get socked by UKIP.
Did you even read my post? Or do you just not understand that UKIP is a right wing party?
I'm as happy as anyone else to see the wet Cameron get socked by UKIP.
"BTW,exit poll of UKIP voters 8 out of ten said they would vote differently at a GE"
I suppose you think all these UKIP voters will vote for Ed Miliband's absurd One Nation nonsense instead?
I suppose you think all these UKIP voters will vote for Ed Miliband's absurd One Nation nonsense instead?
"All have been screwed to help the tories bale out their City backers."
The fact you are blaming the Tories for the bank bailouts is absurd frankly.
The fact you are blaming the Tories for the bank bailouts is absurd frankly.
Labour will win eastleigh when hell freezes over so their performance,particularly in a by-election,is irrelevant. Ukip were always likely to do well but before the campaign started I would have been surprised if the Tories couldn't beat the Lib Dems.
The fact you are blaming the Tories for the bank bailouts is absurd frankly.
no it had nothing to do with the tories did it.
no it had nothing to do with the tories did it.
java
please read my thread not RRs edit.
As far I am aware none of the baled out banks back the Tory Party.
Plenty of Hedge Funds do, and quoted companies.
Of course, the baling out took place under New Labour, the subsequent QE , Operation Merlin etc. that have deflated saver's returns (the bit RR omitted) have been coalition productions.
I believe that this plus the proposed abolition of the Age Allowance has impacted the Tories' core support' pensioners with often modest nest eggs; that was my key point.
Just to clarify, I have always stated that I blame the Blair/Brown regime's incompetence equally with the bank's incompetence. I have always stated that the failure to instigate a proper investigation is mainly/entirely to do with political expediency.
please read my thread not RRs edit.
As far I am aware none of the baled out banks back the Tory Party.
Plenty of Hedge Funds do, and quoted companies.
Of course, the baling out took place under New Labour, the subsequent QE , Operation Merlin etc. that have deflated saver's returns (the bit RR omitted) have been coalition productions.
I believe that this plus the proposed abolition of the Age Allowance has impacted the Tories' core support' pensioners with often modest nest eggs; that was my key point.
Just to clarify, I have always stated that I blame the Blair/Brown regime's incompetence equally with the bank's incompetence. I have always stated that the failure to instigate a proper investigation is mainly/entirely to do with political expediency.
Java
Yes I read your thread.You said it was a worse result for Labour than for the Tories.Your on your own.BTW,I did not say it was a good result for Labour but it was in a seat where they did not even win in their landslide year.Who did you think that a predominantly white middle class protest vote be cast for Labour?Just except it,it was a disaster for the blue rinsers,you included.
Yes I read your thread.You said it was a worse result for Labour than for the Tories.Your on your own.BTW,I did not say it was a good result for Labour but it was in a seat where they did not even win in their landslide year.Who did you think that a predominantly white middle class protest vote be cast for Labour?Just except it,it was a disaster for the blue rinsers,you included.
Umm - no. I said it was a bad night for the Left (which includes Libdems) and a decent night for the Right (which includes UKIP).
But feel free to make up that I was just talking about Tories v Labour.
I am quite happy Cameron got a bloody nose because he is hardly a Tory, but you seem intent on just making up what you want me to have posted.
But feel free to make up that I was just talking about Tories v Labour.
I am quite happy Cameron got a bloody nose because he is hardly a Tory, but you seem intent on just making up what you want me to have posted.
While Eastleigh was bad for Cameron, it was also a disaster for the Left.
Bad worse than disaster?Play on words.Apart from Labour who else in Easleigh was representing a mainstream leftist think party? I am making nothing up. Cameron is the leader of the Conservatives,I am sure he sees himself as a Tory,but hey some moron on a betting site says he is hardly!Get over it,your beloved Tory party got a pasting,and cannot win a majority if replicated in a GE.
Bad worse than disaster?Play on words.Apart from Labour who else in Easleigh was representing a mainstream leftist think party? I am making nothing up. Cameron is the leader of the Conservatives,I am sure he sees himself as a Tory,but hey some moron on a betting site says he is hardly!Get over it,your beloved Tory party got a pasting,and cannot win a majority if replicated in a GE.
No overall majority at the next GE is approx 13/8 on here,fill your boots.Like finding it on the floor,a bigger certainty than taxes.Coalition governments are here to stay.This one may not be popular,that doesn't mean to say that a popular Coalition cannot be found.
Master F,
i did not edit, i quoted, quite extensively. you always mention bankers, and you said bail out the bankers.
the continuation of the interest rate suppression for sure has continued, but the beneficiaries there are the crappens. it has decapitalised the economy, against what makes a bank valuable.
if you dont want to be accused of saying the Tories bailed out their banker friends, dont say it.
you have given better lists since of Conservative crimes and loss of focus of their boasts, going on about bankers is all a bit 2008, and irrelevant. there is much that is holding UK down, much to cringe at with Cameron but bailing out banks is not one of them.
i did not edit, i quoted, quite extensively. you always mention bankers, and you said bail out the bankers.
the continuation of the interest rate suppression for sure has continued, but the beneficiaries there are the crappens. it has decapitalised the economy, against what makes a bank valuable.
if you dont want to be accused of saying the Tories bailed out their banker friends, dont say it.
you have given better lists since of Conservative crimes and loss of focus of their boasts, going on about bankers is all a bit 2008, and irrelevant. there is much that is holding UK down, much to cringe at with Cameron but bailing out banks is not one of them.
Who did you think that a predominantly white middle class protest vote be cast for Labour?
remarkable from MichaelPole. i mean, we all know in our hearts that few white people that have 2 beans to rub together votes labour, we all see them winning Leicester and Burnley, and never the affluent, decent, white areas, but it is unusual for a Labour voter to admit this.
remarkable from MichaelPole. i mean, we all know in our hearts that few white people that have 2 beans to rub together votes labour, we all see them winning Leicester and Burnley, and never the affluent, decent, white areas, but it is unusual for a Labour voter to admit this.
its like those criticising Republican from winning 70% support from the highly educated white male.
and those say
and those say
but the beneficiaries there are the crappens.
There's a loud and clear message for you there hillbilly.
Always get your money where the action is before it happens.
No charge for the top class advice sucker.
Have that one on me.
There's a loud and clear message for you there hillbilly.
Always get your money where the action is before it happens.
No charge for the top class advice sucker.
Have that one on me.
ing Democrats winning 92% support from poorly educated blacks means it is the democrats that are "in touch".
in touch with what one asks?
the same thing gets charged against "out of touch" conservatives, as if you need to watch Jeremy Kyle, drink cheap cider or where a hijab to be "in touch".
in touch with what one asks?
the same thing gets charged against "out of touch" conservatives, as if you need to watch Jeremy Kyle, drink cheap cider or where a hijab to be "in touch".
stop butting into my stream of consciousness Crappmeister.
but worth it to note you at least admit to being saved from the market ripping your cack and t!tties off, bleeding to death in the Wolverhampton gutter by the interest rate manipulation.
but worth it to note you at least admit to being saved from the market ripping your cack and t!tties off, bleeding to death in the Wolverhampton gutter by the interest rate manipulation.
affluent, decent, white areas
Explain?90% are white British in UK,do you think white working class areas are not full of decent people is that what you are suggesting?And who are you to be judge?It is obvious to me,if not you, that white middle class areas,predominately populated by white collar,house owning people do not normally vote Labour.
Explain?90% are white British in UK,do you think white working class areas are not full of decent people is that what you are suggesting?And who are you to be judge?It is obvious to me,if not you, that white middle class areas,predominately populated by white collar,house owning people do not normally vote Labour.
BTW,does an area populated by white affluent white collar,house owning people make them decent?
mickprick seems angry I wonder what's rattled his cage
And who are you to be judge?It is obvious to me,if not you, that white middle class areas,predominately populated by white collar,house owning people do not normally vote Labour.
we are in agreement. not many of those in Leicester, Burnley or Toxteth agreed.
BTW,does an area populated by white affluent white collar,house owning people make them decent?
in the main, yes. obviously there is an odd t!t in all groups, but I tend to respect and like such people. and as you point out, they dont tend to vote Labour. and dont live in Leicester, Burnley or Toxteth. not sure who else in England has Labour MPs. not any areas I would purchase property in.
we are in agreement, but as bb1 says, you seem angry. why?
i know who i am and am proud of it. i hope those from a different group are proud of who they are. everybody should be. but i know the group i am in, white, tertiary educated, and financially independent of government check vote Conservative and Republican.
we are in agreement. not many of those in Leicester, Burnley or Toxteth agreed.
BTW,does an area populated by white affluent white collar,house owning people make them decent?
in the main, yes. obviously there is an odd t!t in all groups, but I tend to respect and like such people. and as you point out, they dont tend to vote Labour. and dont live in Leicester, Burnley or Toxteth. not sure who else in England has Labour MPs. not any areas I would purchase property in.
we are in agreement, but as bb1 says, you seem angry. why?
i know who i am and am proud of it. i hope those from a different group are proud of who they are. everybody should be. but i know the group i am in, white, tertiary educated, and financially independent of government check vote Conservative and Republican.
Yes, the harder you work the luckier you get.
bollockios. tell that to the chinese worker picking cockles, or the african mom walking 50 miles for water.
these words are spoken by young women with record deals pretending it was hard work, not their baps and a perverted manager that got them where they are. true greats didnt have to work, they just do it. does messi work harder than the Crystal Palace back 4?
they are also spoken by grey haired ****s from Wolverhampton investing with borrowed income into the worlds biggest property bubble who admit to having got bailed out, to avoid them facing the truth, just as little Miss 28GG with the butt to match has to tell herself. because the truth brings shame.
bollockios. tell that to the chinese worker picking cockles, or the african mom walking 50 miles for water.
these words are spoken by young women with record deals pretending it was hard work, not their baps and a perverted manager that got them where they are. true greats didnt have to work, they just do it. does messi work harder than the Crystal Palace back 4?
they are also spoken by grey haired ****s from Wolverhampton investing with borrowed income into the worlds biggest property bubble who admit to having got bailed out, to avoid them facing the truth, just as little Miss 28GG with the butt to match has to tell herself. because the truth brings shame.
There are people in Leicester,Burnley and Toxteith vote Tory. Are they the only decent ones living there?Again,who made you judge and jury of who is decent or not?Angry?Not me,and its a silly suggestion as you are not here sitting beside me.I might as well ask if you and Blackburn1 are idiots.Anyway by now,curry time.
There are people in Leicester,Burnley and Toxteith vote Tory. Are they the only decent ones living there?
no, but bet they are amongst the only white, homeowning, independent of government check inhabitants.
there are decent people all over the world, 95% of the world are just getting on. but we are talking groups, i know what group i am in, and we are decent people and vote Conservative and Republican.
Anyway by now,curry time.
ooh, look the guy shovels slop in a tray down and thinks he is running with the "in crowd".
white anglo saxon food is bland in origin, because we lived on good land, in temperate climate.
hot areas be it mexico or india or thailand live in sweltering 100 degree hell holes, lived off rat and needed immense spice to hide what was shocking meat.
i like my burger, my steak, my taco and my crispy duck. i was dragged to a curry house in Skelmersdale at 19 as a missionary, and i am convinced seeing the food, the behaviour and the wallpaper started my decline into depravity.
no, but bet they are amongst the only white, homeowning, independent of government check inhabitants.
there are decent people all over the world, 95% of the world are just getting on. but we are talking groups, i know what group i am in, and we are decent people and vote Conservative and Republican.
Anyway by now,curry time.
ooh, look the guy shovels slop in a tray down and thinks he is running with the "in crowd".
white anglo saxon food is bland in origin, because we lived on good land, in temperate climate.
hot areas be it mexico or india or thailand live in sweltering 100 degree hell holes, lived off rat and needed immense spice to hide what was shocking meat.
i like my burger, my steak, my taco and my crispy duck. i was dragged to a curry house in Skelmersdale at 19 as a missionary, and i am convinced seeing the food, the behaviour and the wallpaper started my decline into depravity.
the good land and climate of course means you can raise decent veg and livestock, and what do you need to add to that?
those living on guinea pig and lacking root vegetables need to be im
those living on guinea pig and lacking root vegetables need to be im
aginative, and hide the fly encrusted meat with vindaloo. kills the bugs as well.
bet he eats his slop with grade A british chicken, and thinks he is getting an authentic experience.
i know he is upset me calling white, educated independent people decent, and thinks that makes me imply others are not. which i am not.
what a poorly educated, government dependent individual is as a character i cannot judge. i know how they vote. LAbour and Democrat.
i know he is upset me calling white, educated independent people decent, and thinks that makes me imply others are not. which i am not.
what a poorly educated, government dependent individual is as a character i cannot judge. i know how they vote. LAbour and Democrat.
I'll tell you something - the hillbilly don't half go on.
ronnie owns you doc.
i am not saying that because it belittles you, thats just a bonus.
i am not saying that because it belittles you, thats just a bonus.
^^I must I own the pair of them the way they stalk me - the hillbilly and old simple three legs.
Hey manxy, good buddy, mate friend mucker.
I mean't to ask.
3:50 Doncaster Friday march 1st.
Won by Brave Spartacas.
How had you got that race rated up please?
I mean't to ask.
3:50 Doncaster Friday march 1st.
Won by Brave Spartacas.
How had you got that race rated up please?
"Apart from Labour who else in Easleigh was representing a mainstream leftist think party? I am making nothing up"
Do you think Libdems are a right wing party? I don't like Cameron (huge numbers of right wingers wouldn't consider him to hold Tory values) and I like UKIP.
Yet you seem to keep ignoring my point, banging your Labour drum and gloating at the Tories. You are an idiot imo.
Do you think Libdems are a right wing party? I don't like Cameron (huge numbers of right wingers wouldn't consider him to hold Tory values) and I like UKIP.
Yet you seem to keep ignoring my point, banging your Labour drum and gloating at the Tories. You are an idiot imo.
"While Eastleigh was bad for Cameron, it was also a disaster for the Left. Bad worse than disaster?Play on words"
Jesus wept - which part of this don't you understand? The Left covers more than one party. Cameron is the leader of a single party.
Singular. Plural. Understand?
Jesus wept - which part of this don't you understand? The Left covers more than one party. Cameron is the leader of a single party.
Singular. Plural. Understand?
It was bad for the on the left Lib dems?They won did they not?After a week of horrendous publicity they won!Fks sake.
Disaster for the winners,and I'm the idiot?I do not post often but java you are on here everyday making an idiot of yourself.
Ronnie
you said bail out the bankers
My eyes aren't good Ronnie but I thought i said bail out "City backers". I mentioned bankers in the preceding sentence in another context.
If "bail out" is synonomous with bankers; let us replace it with subsidise, feed or keep afloat.
I was referring to the various companies involved with rail, road transport, care. power, defence, job finding, recruitment, training , security and all the other "service providers".
They have by and large one client, who doesnt worry about poor performance, failure to meet targets, or price. The client simply borrows more money; and a Whitehall department "manages" the account.
There are 18 different "jobfinders" currently on the payroll, all 18 have failed to hit the target i.e. perform as well as the pre-outsourced dept.
We have announced massive redundancies in the armed Forces; and simultaneously outsourced billiob pound recruitment and training programmes.
Dave might find A4E and their kind an "inspiration".
If we are to contain our borrowing my view is that we get to grips with these companies; and the Civil Servants who supposedly look after interests.
Party donations and sponsorship; jobs for ex Civil Servants; and the taxpayer getting poor value for money.
Yes, the harder you work the luckier you get
Total cobs. Does Usain Bolt work harder than the Silver Medallist.
Is the man who gets more holes in one in the Majors working harder than the guy who is one behind.
Have the kids who got a place at Eton worked harder for it; than the kid at Peckham Comprehensive.
I know plenty of people who have worked their boolox off, but got nowt to show for it.
you said bail out the bankers
My eyes aren't good Ronnie but I thought i said bail out "City backers". I mentioned bankers in the preceding sentence in another context.
If "bail out" is synonomous with bankers; let us replace it with subsidise, feed or keep afloat.
I was referring to the various companies involved with rail, road transport, care. power, defence, job finding, recruitment, training , security and all the other "service providers".
They have by and large one client, who doesnt worry about poor performance, failure to meet targets, or price. The client simply borrows more money; and a Whitehall department "manages" the account.
There are 18 different "jobfinders" currently on the payroll, all 18 have failed to hit the target i.e. perform as well as the pre-outsourced dept.
We have announced massive redundancies in the armed Forces; and simultaneously outsourced billiob pound recruitment and training programmes.
Dave might find A4E and their kind an "inspiration".
If we are to contain our borrowing my view is that we get to grips with these companies; and the Civil Servants who supposedly look after interests.
Party donations and sponsorship; jobs for ex Civil Servants; and the taxpayer getting poor value for money.
Yes, the harder you work the luckier you get
Total cobs. Does Usain Bolt work harder than the Silver Medallist.
Is the man who gets more holes in one in the Majors working harder than the guy who is one behind.
Have the kids who got a place at Eton worked harder for it; than the kid at Peckham Comprehensive.
I know plenty of people who have worked their boolox off, but got nowt to show for it.
Hey manxy, good buddy, mate friend mucker.
I mean't to ask.
3:50 Doncaster Friday march 1st.
Won by Brave Spartacas.
How had you got that race rated up please?
what's up doc.
Fri 1st Mar 2013 3.50 Doncaster (6 runners)
32Red.com Handicap Chase
Class 3, 2m3f , Good, 5yo+, Win: £6498
No Horse Total
2 Brave Spartacus (IRE) 139 1st 3.35 2.35
6 Frank The Slink 132
7 Civil Unrest (IRE) 122
1 Bahrain Storm (IRE) 115
5 Quite The Man (IRE) 92
3 Lucky Landing (IRE) 90
I mean't to ask.
3:50 Doncaster Friday march 1st.
Won by Brave Spartacas.
How had you got that race rated up please?
what's up doc.
Fri 1st Mar 2013 3.50 Doncaster (6 runners)
32Red.com Handicap Chase
Class 3, 2m3f , Good, 5yo+, Win: £6498
No Horse Total
2 Brave Spartacus (IRE) 139 1st 3.35 2.35
6 Frank The Slink 132
7 Civil Unrest (IRE) 122
1 Bahrain Storm (IRE) 115
5 Quite The Man (IRE) 92
3 Lucky Landing (IRE) 90
Thanks manxy, I just wondered how much emphasis you were putting on current form.
my ratings are generated by the hrb ratings engine doc, why dont you donate a tenner, and give it a go.
i took the 'old hrb ratings' and tweaked about with them, and kept back-testing using the system builder engine.
example all handicap hurdles 2003/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12.
i did this until the ratings were profitable again, ive made a decent job of them, now im downloading a month at a times worth of results since jan 1st 2010 , blending them with the bfsp daily downloads, and reformatting to a format i find pleasing on the eye, i go thru them adding columns 'rank' 'points diff to next ranked' and then internal rating 'ranks'
they only deal in a horses last 3 runs form wise, then theres several other criteria.
i feel they over value non finishers last time out, giving them 88 percent of benchmark, especially if the non finish was in a high grade race, it class has a different benchmark, this and several other things is why i have been prepared to do 4/6 hours a day sheet-work on them, for 6 months, to cut out the bad value bets they produce, therefore increasing roi on the rest.
im confident of around 114 roi, on 25,000 bets per annum top rated that meet set criterias, and bet for churn.
i took the 'old hrb ratings' and tweaked about with them, and kept back-testing using the system builder engine.
example all handicap hurdles 2003/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12.
i did this until the ratings were profitable again, ive made a decent job of them, now im downloading a month at a times worth of results since jan 1st 2010 , blending them with the bfsp daily downloads, and reformatting to a format i find pleasing on the eye, i go thru them adding columns 'rank' 'points diff to next ranked' and then internal rating 'ranks'
they only deal in a horses last 3 runs form wise, then theres several other criteria.
i feel they over value non finishers last time out, giving them 88 percent of benchmark, especially if the non finish was in a high grade race, it class has a different benchmark, this and several other things is why i have been prepared to do 4/6 hours a day sheet-work on them, for 6 months, to cut out the bad value bets they produce, therefore increasing roi on the rest.
im confident of around 114 roi, on 25,000 bets per annum top rated that meet set criterias, and bet for churn.
Mister E, you did say bail out their City backers.
now to me, bankers are synonomous with the City and the word bail out. of course there are accountancy firms, insurers, money brokers, actuaries in the City, but none of these have ever been bailed out, they are solvent.
to say you meant bailing out the City backers you were not referring to bankers but
I was referring to the various companies involved with rail, road transport, care. power, defence, job finding, recruitment, training , security and all the other "service providers".
is ridiculous. the kants painting lines on roads, doing touchy toes tests to spassies on incapacity, and wiping a$$es in care homes on government pay are not based in the City or employed by "city backers".
you meant banks and the various related financial markets flotsam. why else say "bail out their City backers". that has f all to do with the above italicized list.
now to me, bankers are synonomous with the City and the word bail out. of course there are accountancy firms, insurers, money brokers, actuaries in the City, but none of these have ever been bailed out, they are solvent.
to say you meant bailing out the City backers you were not referring to bankers but
I was referring to the various companies involved with rail, road transport, care. power, defence, job finding, recruitment, training , security and all the other "service providers".
is ridiculous. the kants painting lines on roads, doing touchy toes tests to spassies on incapacity, and wiping a$$es in care homes on government pay are not based in the City or employed by "city backers".
you meant banks and the various related financial markets flotsam. why else say "bail out their City backers". that has f all to do with the above italicized list.
Manxy,
hrb - would that be horseracebase.com?
They give three day free trial as well if its them.
I'll probably give them a go.
I'd be looking at races where the ratings agree with my own ratings.
hrb - would that be horseracebase.com?
They give three day free trial as well if its them.
I'll probably give them a go.
I'd be looking at races where the ratings agree with my own ratings.
look at this, somebody lecturing a forum on how they get luckier as they work harder, greedily grabbing the lure of random people offering them easy winnings.
it does make me laugh, but underneath it i also get a frisson of grim satisfaction.
because such is the desparation that comes across from this excitement of a random tipline, it must mean someone is late on rent, and his heavily leveraged, insolvent "portfolio" of crud is not providing the lucre that was promised him by the spiky haired kant in the realtor office.
it does make me laugh, but underneath it i also get a frisson of grim satisfaction.
because such is the desparation that comes across from this excitement of a random tipline, it must mean someone is late on rent, and his heavily leveraged, insolvent "portfolio" of crud is not providing the lucre that was promised him by the spiky haired kant in the realtor office.
maybe one of his tenants asked for a new plug socket, and such is his interest repayments it took away his razor thin margin. i do seem to remember him frothing about having to use an electrician under law.
a dog that has just had its throat ripped out by a wolf tends not to be able to bite back.
there is a whistling effect, but it is silent.
there is a whistling effect, but it is silent.
It's not a tipline is it manxy.
I understand that its a programme that generates ratings, and you can adjust the weightings of the criteria to suit yourself.
Is that it manxy?
I understand that its a programme that generates ratings, and you can adjust the weightings of the criteria to suit yourself.
Is that it manxy?
I wonder what the hillbilly gambles on?
He must gamble on something or he wouldn't be here.
Come on hillbilly let's have it?
He must gamble on something or he wouldn't be here.
Come on hillbilly let's have it?
yeah, a ratings engine, that will rate a race on all the set criteria, whether the race was 10yrs ago or tomorrow, there is no back-fitting involved.
horseracebase.
horseracebase.
yes I've seen the ratings you've put up, and bearing in mind that any set of ratings will produce winners, they seem a lot more consistent than that.
I suppose your own knowledge is reflected there.
I suppose your own knowledge is reflected there.
I remember the episode where the Beverly Hillbillys went to the races.
I can just picture RR as Jed Clampett – wee doggies!
Lol
I can just picture RR as Jed Clampett – wee doggies!
Lol
i love numbers doc, playing the market, if i could churn 50k bets with a 108 roi, whilst compounding, i would be quite happy, thats a very healthy nett long term margin.
"It was bad for the on the left Lib dems?They won did they not?After a week of horrendous publicity they won!Fks sake."
Not really sure where to go with this as it seems you don't even understand percentages.
If the Tories held some leafy southern constituency with a massively reduced margin in a by-election would you say it was a good night for them?
Not really sure where to go with this as it seems you don't even understand percentages.
If the Tories held some leafy southern constituency with a massively reduced margin in a by-election would you say it was a good night for them?
It was a bad result for everybody.
50% turnout, everybody except UKIP saw a big drop and UKIP still can't win a seat. Elections are becoming more and more pointless
50% turnout, everybody except UKIP saw a big drop and UKIP still can't win a seat. Elections are becoming more and more pointless
"Have the kids who got a place at Eton worked harder for it; than the kid at Peckham Comprehensive."
Almost certainly. Although it's not the Peckham kid's fault - just his environment. The privately educated kid will be putting in more hours of diligence though by a massive margin, largely due to the pressure of parents.
Almost certainly. Although it's not the Peckham kid's fault - just his environment. The privately educated kid will be putting in more hours of diligence though by a massive margin, largely due to the pressure of parents.
Agree 100% java.
Although it's not the Peckham kid's fault - just his environment
Exactly and his environment is no reflection on him not being lucky because he didnt work hard enough.
Parental influence is a major factor; but we don't choose our parents.
The kid in Peckham may have worked his nuts off between the ages of 4 and 11, but it is not reflected in his failure to get to Eton. Any more than the Eton pupil's school is reflected in him having worked harder.
By and large luck is precisely that.
I admire all who are born with less advantages and work their way out of it.
Although it's not the Peckham kid's fault - just his environment
Exactly and his environment is no reflection on him not being lucky because he didnt work hard enough.
Parental influence is a major factor; but we don't choose our parents.
The kid in Peckham may have worked his nuts off between the ages of 4 and 11, but it is not reflected in his failure to get to Eton. Any more than the Eton pupil's school is reflected in him having worked harder.
By and large luck is precisely that.
I admire all who are born with less advantages and work their way out of it.
So don't we all Mister E. Where many ofus differ is the inclination to skew our education system to push kids forward on their envronment rather than proven ability. I know this can be debatable but I abhor discrimination, even the so called positive discrimination for wimmin,etc.
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