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On the going forward thread, EEternal Optimist refers to state manipulation and it made me think about how I feel manipulated thse days and how little it is by the state (except inosfar as politicians spin to get themselves elected ) and how much it is by the media and advertising.Isn't this the real political divide today ie do you believe money should rule and the only state provision is security to protect the money (the right) or do you believe people should rule and the money should be fairly evenly divided (the left)?
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I don't mind Communism, I've got fack all to share 
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