Why can't I opt out of the NHS and go private?

Why would you want to opt-out, our left-wing selfless friends often tell us that it costs nothing.

Because you're already paying through the nose in taxes for the layabouts (who will be along shortly).  It's not about getting what you pay for, but someone else getting what you pay for.

It's basically a system so you pay via and intermediary for Karla, Willy, Clay et al. so they don't have to pay for themselves and so they don't have to crawl up to your front door to explain why they're useless cùnts and beg you to pay for them directly.

I pay tax, you don't. Your industry is 100% taxpayer subsidised, mine is not. We the people don't like bankers, PS workers are valued and respected. We seek to serve, you seek to exploit and fleece. What I do benefits the people, what you do is the polar opposite. The whole austerity programme is as a direct result of the actions of your industry.

Totally wrong as usual.

I pay tax, you don't.

Nonsense doesn't become any more repeatable by repetition. Look at wally.

We the people

I think my missus pays more in VAT on the paintings she comes back from Christie's with in a month than you pay in annual income tax, love.

PS workers are valued and respected.

Indeed they are. But you spend all day on here spouting bollox at the taxpayers expense. 100k+ to be precise plus benefits and not a sensible post to your name.

100% taxpayer subsidised, mine is not. Correct - based on 11/12 UK Public Expenditure of 687.6 bn GBP and Receipts of 556.1 bn GBP that makes the Public Sector an impressive 123.6% taxpayer subsidised.

Why can't I keep the part of my tax that goes to fund:

Educating other people's kids

The Royal Family

The Army being in Afghanistan

Tax dodging by the mega-rich

or the numerous other things it is used for that I rather it wasn't?

Largely because if everyone just paid for what they fancied paying for, society would fall apart very quickly. It is in fact close to a literal definition of anarchy, assuming that any currency could still hold sway.

I would personally pay all my tax money to an armed force that killed all the people that wouldn't pay taxes to educate children and seize their assets.

Fortunately I'm not in charge, and fortunately nor are you.

Many so called private practices funded by the public in one way or another!

People should be given a tax rebate to get health care else where  if they are not satisfied with the third world serevice at the nhs

HM - Society would not fall apart very quickly if we had a larger private health care system in the UK.
There could be a system where people could opt out of NHS and join an approved health care provider. Some of the money saved by not offering NHS cover to this person/family is handed back to them to partially fund their private health insurance.

Not claiming that is the perfect system but find it hard to believe "society would fall apart".
Is it really so bad to allow people to have a choice with regard to their health.

Society is already starting to fall apart because the striving class are getting fed up with paying for the feckless class to be better off than they are.

People should be given a tax rebate to get health care else where  if they are not satisfied with the third world serevice at the nhs

Wind the clock back some thirty odd years and subscriptions to private health care providers was tax deductable as I recall.  In a roundabout way it still can be if you are employed by a company that provides private health care - as it is a tax deductable expense for them.

There is logic to encouraging people to opt out of the state system and into the private, as it increases the total funding into health care whilst freeing up space in the public sector.  From an economic standpoint, offering tax incentives to individuals to take out private medical insurance 'makes sense', providing they are still supporting the NHS through taxation.  Politically it's a no no - so it ain't gonna happen?

RockMonkey     12 Jul 12 23:38 
Why can't I keep the part of my tax that goes to fund:

Educating other people's kids


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That's OK then ,we'll just have a whole nation full of illiterate children - should bear well for the future

We the people don't like bankers, PS workers are valued and respected

Calling planet earth

In my experience Ive found the NHS pretty good, am I in the silent majority ??

DOOB WROTE-

'Why can't I opt out of the NHS and go private?'
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As I understand it you can  opt out of the system, if you

write to the authorities and renounce your National

Insurance Number.

Presumably  you would then no longer be a member of the 'UK

Corporation' and would not be subject to 'statute law'.

Roger Hayes is an expert on this subject and could give

you 'chapter and verse' thereon.

You may be able to contact him in HMP Liverpool until next

thursday.

Sweet.

In my experience Ive found the NHS pretty good, am I in the silent majority ??

In my experience i wouldn't be experiencing anything were it not for the NHS, and,  my guess is that  neither would  a large proportion of the folk contributing to this thread.

Why can't I opt out of the NHS and go private
because you are a **** and **** cannot go private

the most surprising thing imo is that folk like Doob are allowed into the NHS ... it just reconfirms that its founders were men and women possessed of compassion, intelligence and foresight unimaginable in our current political climate.

HM - Society would not fall apart very quickly if we had a larger private health care system in the UK.
There could be a system where people could opt out of NHS and join an approved health care provider. Some of the money saved by not offering NHS cover to this person/family is handed back to them to partially fund their private health insurance.

Not claiming that is the perfect system but find it hard to believe "society would fall apart".
Is it really so bad to allow people to have a choice with regard to their health.

My post was a reply to RockMonkey's post immediately above it, in which he says he should be able to opt out of any spending that he doesn't like the sound of, which would effectively lead to anarchy, or at the very least, economic collapse.

The specific issue of health is a tricky one. I don't think that people should be able to opt out, but anyone electing to be treated privately should be recompensed, in full, to the tune of the full cost of the procedure to the NHS.

By 'full cost', I do mean full cost (including all capital costs, pro rata), and not just the marginal cost.

Ye Gods! Thought I had adopted a fairly sledge-hammer approach in attempting to illustrate how ludicrous it would be to only pay taxes towards services we actually used or policies we agreed with but, alas, it appears it was still too subtle for some. That certainly does not BODE well for the future

Fairy Nuff Rock Monkey

Your post was actually way too plausible. Unfortunately, a lot of people really do think like that!

says gus-'In my experience i wouldn't be experiencing

anything were it not for the NHS, and,  my guess is that 

neither would  a large proportion of the folk

contributing to this thread.

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yes, most certainly an interesting question indeed

how many contributers herein this thread would

remain 'standing' without medical intervention at any

time in their lives

moi would be- i aint blowin me own trumpet acourse

others may register their vote here

sweet

was it a virgin birth, or did your dad help pull you out?

test  tube baby ,with the emphasis on tube.

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In my experience Ive found the NHS pretty good, am I in the silent majority ??

In my experience i wouldn't be experiencing anything were it not for the NHS, and,  my guess is that  neither would  a large proportion of the folk contributing to this thread.

I'd be dead, or at least seriously ill now if I didn't have private insurance. Being able to skip what was a 5 week waiting time on the NHS is what saved me in the end.

Generally, I think the care you receive in the NHS is actually very good, it is just the waiting times which are terrible, which is the main reason for going private imo (that and not having to mix with the great unwashed if you actually have to go into hospital).

Arleystation

Society is already starting to fall apart because the striving class are getting fed up with paying for the feckless class to be better off than they are.

There is also the small matter of THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH ****ING JOBS TO GO AROUND