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05 Oct 13 15:28
Date Joined: 30 Nov 05
| Topic/replies: 22 | Blogger: TonyC's blog
What are the most popular gambling games? Bingo and Lottery. Why? Because they present an equal opportunity for anyone to play, and win. (i.e. the game is totally random). Poker is a game of skill and strategy, and given enough time, the best players will come out on top. If you then allow anyone to join, and they are not so good, then the better players will always win in the end. The losing players will eventually get tired of losing and will no longer join in and play, which would be expected. So how do the poker sites ‘keep’ players coming back to fill games and ultimately contribute to the ‘rake’ (the sites profits)? How about if they were to ‘randomise the player’, and not the deck. Wouldn’t that be cheating? Well if you look at the gaming rules, the only requirement for the site is to make the game random, it doesn’t stipulate that it has to be the deck of cards, as one would expect in a game of cards. This will then allow players with lesser skills to win on occasion. Any thoughts on this? Ps. You’re lucky to read this as most of my posts get removed.
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Report Ovalman. October 5, 2013 3:46 PM BST
The RNG is straight, I have half a million hands in HEM to prove this. If you lose consistently, don't blame the RNG or bad players, blame yourself for making wrong decisions.

Bad players do win occasionally, it's what drives the game and keeps them in the game. For every bad beat you suffer, it's actually +EV for you. You don't have to be the best in the game to make it pay, just better than your opponents.

And there's nothing wrong with "taking a punt" to win a tournament, anyone can win the Sunday Million.
Report TonyC October 5, 2013 4:02 PM BST
And what criteria did you use to 'test' the RNG. If you used your hole cards as 'a random 2 cards from a deck of 52', then it will be random. My argument centers around how the software 'seems' (non committal word) to allow hands that are losing to beat the currently winning hand, i.e with the turn and river. If one plays to any good strategy or statistical poker book, then you WILL lose, I have tried it many times. So either the authors (usually world class players) are all wrong, or something else isn't quite right.
Report Ovalman. October 5, 2013 4:41 PM BST
I run the races report in Holdem Manager that analyses the times you get your cards all in pre flop, flop, turn and river. It also breaks down your hand strength, AA v any pair is 80% fav and guess what I'm close enough to 80% for me not to question the RNG.

If you've proof the RNG is bent then please post it, I bet you don't even save hand histories.
Report shudacuda October 6, 2013 3:10 PM BST
Tony do you honestly think it would never have been outed if the software was bent.

I play live,3/4 times a week and I can assure you the same bad beats occur.

Skill comes into it and  over a longer timescale the better players win consistently.

Think you need to look at your decision making,not the software.
Report chipfireball October 6, 2013 5:10 PM BST
Ive seen nothing to suggest the game isnt straight. Its getting harder and harder though to beat the r@ke. Doubt there are too many UK players playing the game for a living these days.
Report TonyC October 12, 2013 5:15 PM BST

Thank you for your reply. The thing is, you are entirely missing the point. I didn't say that the game was bent, I suggested that the game is not what it appears to be. The site is not gaining an unfair advantage over punters by manipulating in it's own favor. The game is still RANDOM if the software equalizes the chance of everybody winning. The site rake would be the same no matter who wins (or loses), but it needs to give wins to poor players or they don't come back. It does this (I have to be careful here not to get my thread pulled), in my opinion, by randomising the player and deals the cards accoringly to play patterns. (Quite easy to do via software engineering, I'm told).
Report LoyalHoncho October 26, 2013 4:10 PM BST
You're bang on Shudacuda and these pompous, arrogants, who think they've got the game taped because they use artificial intelligence and are on the topside of stats, in terms of their present run, simply don't know what they talking about.  If a 17 year old twit with Aspbergers can hack into the Pentagon then I'm quite sure that the "finest" minds in Poker can create software etc, which suits their needs.  Where I differ from you is in the stance I take.  You assert that the manipulation of hand outcomes to "encourage" poor players to stay on the site isn't Bee Eee Enn  Tttteh - I say is is.  That's B E N T for anyone who is in any doubt.
Report hornshoe1 October 28, 2013 11:56 PM GMT
I've a hunch I'm in your camp at least from 'stance' onwards Honch.

TonyC your 12 Oct 13 17:15 description, seems a pretty accurate depiction of 'bent'.
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