Random hand generator or Random number generator

I have 350,000 hands stored on my PC but I play a lot of Limit Poker so I rarely get the chance to be all in on a hand.

In total I have 14,693 all in hands, the stats say 50.00% of all races won - 50% expected.

There's the proof the the RNG is straight, now stop posting threads because you had a bad beat or 2.

Might have to start limits then mate , but im telling you the tournament all ins are very very strange.I won a tournament since this post and as soon as i hit last table i became chip leader and won every hand i played basically.

click my poker then you will see registered tournaments

scrap last post

i decided to play a bit on the new ipoker betfair and saw some insane hands in a short space of time,im not one for these theorys but in the allin pre hands if a player had say 3 outs you werent surprised to see it hitting,also saw 3 players hitting a set in 1 hand,anyways even if this is just variances ive seen enuf to put me off leaving the site i curently play at to come back to betfair

I posted 15 hands from a random FT I was on recently where the short stack was all in vs a bigger stack, often the chip leader, and the short stack won every one,including cracking AA with junk.

People just see what they want to see.

Plenty of us have posted evidence over hundreds of thousands of hands showing the long term trends are exactly what you would expect. So far I've seen zero evidence over similar size samples to suggest it isnt.

The evidence is dozens of different people saying the same thing.Big stack wipes out everything late in tournament play.

Cannot be denied, happens most tournaments.  Are people blind or do they not want to admit it?

Its actually standard play here to push all in with big stack no matter what cards you have or what stack you are against.

RNG my arse

Next time someone makes last table give us tournament id and we will all go watch

AA v any other pair is roughly 80% fav. but we only remember the times we lose with them. 4/1 shots win all the time so why cry over them. We don't remember the times we raise and get a walk or win without a showdown. The simple fact is if we're all in pre flop then we will lose 1 time in 5.

Further to my stats above, when I was 80%+ favourite in a hand I've won 83.4% of the time when my expected value was 84.1% in 375 hands. I'm ever so slightly below my expected win rate but that's good enough to convince me there's nothing wrong with the RNG. That's not a big sample BTW but remember I play limit.

To those that say it's juiced then please show me your stats that prove otherwise. Bet you don't even save hand histories.

AA wins 5/4 for you , well you are luckier than me mate.AA 8 times for me in 6 days and i won 1 hand on them

4/5 for you sorry

Me AA other raises all in i have 3k left in tourney so i go all in to his 8ish he has Q10

out comes 7 9 8 5 6

my first all in and placed about 40th in free roll


the fact is there is always top hands out.its to keep the fish chasing hands

Ok this one just happened and in  my favour lol

Me Kh 5h my blind

player b calls me

flop 3s 8h 2h

only 700 chips in tourney left i go all in (why not its pot luck) i hope for flush

player b calls and shows a k

turn 4 spade then ace spade ..I have run I bet the guy thinks its juiced after i am giving it the big ones lol

Yr wasting your time Oval mate, I stopped reading at freeroll.

so freeroll is different ? why would anyone that is actually any good at poker play for cash before testing the waters?


you think id pump money in a game when the free rolls are bad beat city

all games should be equal

I want to keep them in the game

so you admit free rolls are different ?

so this makes every level different , stick your random number mate , its juiced up

@ oval , ive not transferred a dime but i had $5.67 in my account lol

so keep me all you like but your losing if you came up against me

i have came to the conclusion the people who think its random are the ones who have never played at a real table

me 1095 chips

a7

200 blind he calls then 7 2 7  flop ,all in after a few bets he has, 75, then k2 ,so split pot 1430 each

very next hand

me

q10 few raises me him 150 each then 10 4 3,me 750 ,he raise 1500 me all in  total he calls a9 bang ace then 4

big chip stack cleaned again


you need to gain the lead to have a chance in the first few hands

There are now enough players played enough hands and run it through sophisticated enough software for it to be proven beyond any doubt the games run to EV. Not the networks, the players themselves. Not a single player with a big enough sample has proven otherwise. Not one.

I could find you dozens of people who think the holocaust and 9/11 was a hoax.It doesn't make them right. Frankly anyone who thinks its r1gg3d on the basis of a couple of hundred games should just stop playing. And stop posting onpoker forums making idiots of themselves.

In live games people have the decency and sense to fold second pair or unlikely draws, unless they are TonyG, so the randomness isn't tested.

You sure about that Homer? I played live yesterday and they chased every gutshot and runner runner under the sun.

All in nearly 15000 times out 350000 seems a hell of alot for limit poker, thats almost every 20 hands and you are all in? And as for saying that 4/1 shots win all the time, how many times does a 4/1 shot win in a 2 runner race? ie tennis, snooker or football? i would say pocket aces lose alot more often than any of these sports where the underdog is 4/1. Ive only ever played on Ladjokes poker site, and it seemed that the odds didnt stack up correctly to me, so i soon left. Give me a live game any day, and not something where a computer chip call the shots.

I meant the horses, not football as thats a 3 runner race. Note to self, read what you have wrote before posting

A 4/1 shot will win a two runner horse race 20% of the time.If it didn't there would be no bookmakers. Hope this helps.

After reading a few of the topics on the poker forum, i made it 1.01 for you to be the first to reply, its seems that you are never too far away from the refresh button. And thank you very much for maths lesson.

As well as reading what you have written yourself before posting, you might want to read what other people have written.

A maths lesson AND a comprehension lesson, all in under two hours. You don't get that on chit-chat.

All in nearly 15000 times out 350000 seems a hell of alot for limit poker, thats almost every 20 hands and you are all in? And as for saying that 4/1 shots win all the time, how many times does a 4/1 shot win in a 2 runner race? ie tennis, snooker or football? i would say pocket aces lose alot more often than any of these sports where the underdog is 4/1. Ive only ever played on Ladjokes poker site, and it seemed that the odds didnt stack up correctly to me, so i soon left. Give me a live game any day, and not something where a computer chip call the shots.

It's counting my games from NL as well, you generally can't be all in pre flop AA v's an under pair in Limit unless you've 1BB or less in your stack.

A 4/1 shot will win 20% of the time. Bookies of course set odds unfairly (and how they make their money) so it will probably be wrong odds in the first place.

I've given the proof, take it if you want but I know for a FACT that the RNG is true and everyone is on a level playing field. If you lose consistently then you are the problem.

I play with a guy live who's pretty good, he plays a good aggressive game and he's good at reading people. He loses loads online though. I watched his game and he was chasing every flush and straight draws when the chips were low and it's a leak in his game. He makes up for it live by being able to read people but online it's killing him. We all have leaks, there's a style to combat every player to beat them and why it's so hard to make a bot that will play perfectly.

As for your live game, I bet you don't keep records and while when you ask anyone how they do playing poker, the answer invariably is they win money or break even at the game. Without records however you don't know where you stand. (I'm -£35 from live games this year but I'm sure I'll turn over a profit by the end of the year)

Ive had look through sir, all i can see is you trying to be the voice of reason on every thread. It seems like you have something to say on everyones post, yet the last thread that you started was something to do with your dog going all in on a hand for you. You sound patronising and condescending on most threads, and it would appear you think you are the next big thing, i look forward to reading your forthcoming poker book. Enjoy the holidays the lads on here pay for, for you and your family, and i hope the endless hours wasted on here each week/month/year are worth it.

Betfair pay me £50 every time I post on here. I get a bonus £10 every time I am the voice of reason, £10 every time I am patronising, and £20 every time I point out an idiot.

These threads are very profitable for me.

The kids are off skiing in a fortnight, I will pass  on your regards.

What a piste taker.

"Ive only ever played on Ladjokes poker site, and it seemed that the odds didnt stack up correctly to me, so i soon left."

So by your own admission you have minimal experience of online poker, but feel qualifified to diss people with over 350,000 hand histories on their database ? You also come onto a poker forum in an attempt to persuade people not to play poker, and then get upset when people take the p1ss out of you.

What were you expecting, all of us to agree with you and quit ? 

He resorted to allegations of child abuse the last time he lost an arugment on here .Thats the calibre of person you are

dealing with.Also blames his dog when he makes a donk of himself .Woof Woof.

I am a poor poker player Chipfire, im also terrible at football too, yet i enjoy watching both, therefore i think i can have an opinion,by your logic, would i be wrong in saying a footballer had a bad game? or that a certain team are sh1te? As a master of poker yourself, do you think that being all in, in limit/no limit poker, nearly every 20 hands sounds far too often? because i certainly do, and as Ovalman said, there would have been times when he could not get all his chips in because of the limits, so i would guess that his all in percentage would in fact be higher, if it was possible to. I was definately not trying to get people to quit playing poker, that was you putting your little twist on my words to try and sound clever. And as for getting upset by a bit piss take in an annonymous forum, you couldnt be more wrong. Making allegations of child abuse however, that is low.

Its actually nearer every 24 hands but I think we have established maths is not your strong point. I also fail to see any connection between maths and football. I have played over half a million hands. Databases record hands where there is a showdown, so if I am sat at a 10 player table in a game I personally dont have to be involved in that hand to record the players hole cards and the outcome. Even if a player elects to muck at the conclusion of the hand, the hand history will reveal their holding.
In the latter stages of STT and MTT games there will be a showdown regularly due to increasing blind levels. It is not uncommon for there to be all in shoves for 15-20 plays in a row and often more than that.
Will there be an all in pre flop confrontation more than once every 24 hands in a Turbo STT for example ? Of course there will, only a complete and utter imbecile would argue otherwise. 
In terms of the 80% quotation you need to bear in mind that is a stat for AA vs an underpair where all chips go in pre-flop. Obviously there are stronger hands you could hold against AA such as 78 suited, and obviously the chips dont always go in pre flop, especially in games involving players of a higher standard.
Even if you completely ignore my stats and Ovalmans stats player databases involving many millions of hands have been published and  thoroughly examined time and time again, and not one has thrown up any evidence to support your claims, which are based upon what ? Absolutely nothing other than a few games on another site. 
As for your mate the Internet Troll God only knows what drives people like that to do what they do for £0.00 per hour. They clearly have mental health issues.

TheChaser
i have came to the conclusion the people who think its random are the ones who have never played at a real table
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Chaser get real.
2 nights ago,playing live at the casino on a flop of a109 rainbow,i bet a hefty amount with 99 and had already raised preflop.This guy calls and shouts for a heart,turn 2 of hearts.

Imove all in and he says he has 2 hearts and asks if i want him to call.Of course i tell him to call and bingo he hits the river heart and shows 85 hearts.

Was i mad,of course not.Its numpties like this that allow you to win at poker long term.

Because he called on the flop with no draw and hits runner runner hearts,is live poker ****?

# r1gged  ^^^

Maths is definately my strong point, it did a quick calculation in my head saying it was "nearly" 1 in 20,do you not think 1 in 24 is "nearly" 1 in 20? yet you have to get a calculator out and pick me up on this minor detail. As i said i dont play "computer poker", but its each to their own, i would guess you play far too much if you have played over half a million hands. I hope your kids enjoy the skiing, at least they wont be under your feet while you are sat at the laptop all night.

My eldest daughter is 22 and in the final year of her degree, my youngest is 16, so while like most dads I would prefer they spent more time under my feet, the reality is that they would rather be somehwere else.

The fact you have no idea how easy it is to get through half a million hands playing recreationally shows how little you know about the subject.

The fact you think 20 is close to 24, and that I would need a calculator to work out something as easy as that is laughable. You said yourself you are a bad poker player, and have minimal experience of what you are talking about, so fair play to you for admitting that, but it seems strange that someone who doesnt play online poker, and has never played on this site, would then log onto an online poker forum and start making ridiculous claims, and be so resentful of people who do make money from the game.

I have said that I mostly play Limit but that doesn't mean I don't play NL, the majority of my all in situations would be in NL. I have gave the stats and your still trying to pick holes in them.

And half a million hands isn't that much. I can quite easily play 10 tables at a time at a profit and not worry about the RNG. Again your maths is not your strong point as you've probably failed to realise that playing more tables increases hand rates.

Thanks for your input though, you've sparked a bit of life into the forum again. Maybe if you and others posted a bit more then myself and Chip wouldn't stand out as people who post "a lot" on this forum. In reality we only contribute a few messages a day.

the calculator says 4.2% of the time, i said nearly 5% of the time, do you really want to pick me up on something so trivial Chip? and as for "resenting people who make money at the game", i resent nobody who can make money from gambling, but whether you win £1000 a year or £100000 a year, i really couldnt care less, it makes me no richer or has any impact on me. Ovalman, im sorry if you think i was picking holes in your stats, they were used for Chip to pick holes at my maths more than anything else(arguing over 0.8%).

I dont need to pick you up over anything. Millions upon millions of analysed hands prove time and time again that the RNG is random and I'm always going to take tested factual evidence over the ravings of a few nutjob conspiracy theorists who dodnt understand the maths and who by and large blame the fact they lose on anyone but themselves. I'm not lumping you into this category because you havent gone that far and you have readily admitted your suspicions are based on insufficent data, but there are plenty of them crop up on here and they almost never post their screen name .

If you look at The Chasers other thread you will see that other people are ripping him to shreds without help from Ovalman or myself, thats what tends to happen, though 3 of 4 years ago he would have had the forum equivalent of being nailed to a cross for posting what he has done, rather than a couple of people taking the p1ss.

You could toss a coin ten times and if you got 8 heads it wouldnt mean the coin was r1gg3d because it deviated from EV over such a small sample. Toss it a million times and get 800,000 heads and you might be onto something.

Most of us who have played in excess of 20,000 games have experienced variance, we have been on 1000 game downswings, and we know what its like to suffer what feels like an impossible run of bad beats. What keeps you going is the knowledge that in the long run the good players with good BRM win and the bad players lose. Ive yet to look up someone who has made an appalling play on Sharkscope and see that they are in profit.

Ultimately if you play freerolls and low stakes shytefests you will see a lot of bad beats. Thats because a lot of bad play gives more opportunity for bad beats to occur, especially in games where people go all in pre flop because they arent good enough to play post flop.

In sig n go 50/50 played about 7 hands and not much happening

Then i get 77 guy raises about 300 then another all in 1500ish i fold because i know the speed cards are out lol.Guy has kk other guy 10 10 k76aa out.

sit n go lol

The pairs came out to get the game moving and its as simple as that

down to 1000 chips all in AK lol guy calls 47 on big stack

q q 5 8 pauuuuuuseeeee then 7

pause by the way is when rhe rng has to load a bit ( why does it load may i ask )

You may ask and obviously the reason it loads is to find a 4 or 7 to beat you.

I love the way he says he folds 77 seven hands into an STT not because there are 2 all ins ahead of him, but because "the speed cards are out "

I didn't post on his other thread because I assumed with someone this bad it had to be a wind up, but I'm starting to think maybe this guy is genuine. A carer would have to turn the laptop on and do the typing though surely ?

Come on mate post your screen name, otherwise it never happened

Im in the 4k guaranteed now with 6k chips

400 left i get AA guy raises 400 i call another calls out comes 3 7 8 guy goes all in other calls they had 5-6 k each , i chucked them ( fkc AA ) guy turns Q8 lol other is 99 then boom 8 5.

thanks fook for that

Never lied about 1 hand and i can honestly say it

you lot probably dont even play poker to see the joke hands ill screen shot it now the AA one

so im the only one who think big stack wins and it loads at the river sometimes?

im still up on betfair poker thats the best part

if you get in the lead you cant lose a hand hardly

Post your screen name or I press block user.

chipfire whats your name

block all you like ill screenshot any hand you like but your not perving on me you dirty fecker

Its the same.As proven by the very many hand histories I've posted on here.

ACTUAL Hand histories that is, not the Hansel and Gretel shyte cropping up every day on here.

Big chip stack wipes anything out ..FACT

At least the blocked user button is working.

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mine too ( 2 smileys )


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400 left i get AA guy raises 400 i call another calls out comes 3 7 8 guy goes all in other calls they had 5-6 k each , i chucked them ( fkc AA ) guy turns Q8 lol other is 99 then boom 8 5.

lol, AA doesn't work so well in a 3 way pot. Don't blame the software if you play like a numpty. I'm 3 betting with AA and charging people for my premium holdings. No need to be trapping when there's a good chance others will call in the pot.

Your making mistakes and why your losing, not because the RNG hates you.

Here ends the poker lesson.

Look closer i chucked the aces so losing never happened

400 people left i had 6k chips then folded

Im in the 4k guaranteed now with 6k chips

400 left i get AA guy raises 400 i call another calls out comes 3 7 8 guy goes all in other calls they had 5-6 k each , i chucked them ( fkc AA ) guy turns Q8 lol other is 99 then boom 8 5.

thanks fook for that

Oval your the one losing i seen you say your down this week


Mail me for lessons any time

lol The only thing I'm losing on is in Live games but I can't multi table those and only get to play once a week.

All tips are welcome, you seem to predict the RNG very well.

lol yeah i know whats next most times

Experiments have been done with electronic card games of chance, and what you find is that if you make it random people see it as being fixed. In fact experimenters found that to get people to think the game was random they had to fix it!

You see this everywhere. Poker players think it's fixed, the exchange games guys think it's fixed, people on the backgammon forum think it's fixed, the casinos forum too. And not just this website, it's everywhere. Doesn't take long in a betting shop to hear someone say the FOTB's are fixed.

Do you really think the whole gaming world is fixed? Or maybe it's just our tendency to see patterns that are actually just random?

Fobts are fixed to keep a percentage so yes they are fixed.You think 20 reds in a row is by chance

When your lucky enough to get on the roulette at a pay out time your laughing.Not played them for years though as they started ok but got worse.Would never play them again ( well maybe a few coins if in bookie)

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1595028/Youll-never-beat-poker-robots.html

Old article, but I still see many of these handles on several sites with just numbered handles which I have read are bots using a certain software. Very tough to beat cash games because sites always say cards are random so it is down to your own bad play.. even after 250k hands it is just variance. I wouldn't be too trusting in poker sites who allow robots to play and don't refund your losses, many can't even be detected as happens in online computer games.

Poker isn't ****, sports are all honest, FOBT's always payout a certain percentage, which can't be skewed by robbing players on big bets and paying out small wins which will be pumped back in.

People are too trusting of online poker. Many pros have lost big amounts online and are only propped up by their sponsors.