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blundered 2 out EASED!!
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Surely if you keep predicting the outcome of cards being turned over that makes it not random doesnt it? Perhaps its just me but does the software favour the player with most chips? How many times have you sat there with a pair of kinkles in your hand to find some fcker with a pair of bullets      now i no for a fact that im not alone in thinking that when you get dealt a pair of kings you straight away dont feel safe and fear that there are dark aces out there somewhere, It feels the same as playing roulette in the bookies on a fotb   than playing it down a casino or perhaps some of you out there feel its a 100% genuine and im talking chinese   but would like to no the views of others    cheers.
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Report chipfire227 December 9, 2012 12:11 AM GMT
It's random. HTH.
Report shudacuda December 9, 2012 4:34 AM GMT
If its so predictable,why do you lose?
Report chipfire227 December 9, 2012 10:31 AM GMT
I'm going to fold KK pre flop now if someone at the table has a bigger stack as they will have AA. Dunno why I hadn't considered this previously. OP has literally changed my life for the better.
Report Santtu55 December 9, 2012 1:56 PM GMT
This bigstack problem is also in fulltilt. It happens often.
Report chipfire227 December 9, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
[ ] Incredible scenes.
Report youwillblucky December 9, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
pre generated , at times ,lol.
Report jc30 December 9, 2012 10:01 PM GMT
I can see this thread going somewhere, time to sit back, relax and watch the show. Popcorn pics anyone?? Laugh
Report R0ykeane December 10, 2012 2:56 PM GMT
Report chipfire227 December 10, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
I have followed the OP's advice and started folding KK pre flop if I am not the biggest stack at the table. However following this logic to it's natural conclusion means that whatever hand I hold apart from AA will be dominated by the bigger stacks, so I now fold everything apart from AA pre flop, unless all of the people left to act have smaller stacks than me.

It took some adjusting to, but I now feel confident I am playing optimally having factored in the r1gg3d RNG.   

The OP should write a poker book IMHO. Anyone suggest a title for it ?
Report Helmuthian Folds December 10, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
Report hippie December 13, 2012 12:15 AM GMT

Can a computer generate a truly random number?

It depends what you mean by random…

“One thing that traditional computer systems aren’t good at is coin flipping,” says Steve Ward, Professor of Computer Science and Engineering at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. “They’re deterministic, which means that if you ask the same question you’ll get the same answer every time. In fact, such machines are specifically and carefully programmed to eliminate randomness in results. They do this by following rules and relying on algorithms when they compute.”

You can program a machine to generate what can be called “random” numbers, but the machine is always at the mercy of its programming. “On a completely deterministic machine you can’t generate anything you could really call a random sequence of numbers,” says Ward, “because the machine is following the same algorithm to generate them. Typically, that means it starts with a common ‘seed’ number and then follows a pattern.” The results may be sufficiently complex to make the pattern difficult to identify, but because it is ruled by a carefully defined and consistently repeated algorithm, the numbers it produces are not truly random. “They are what we call ‘pseudo-random’ numbers,” Ward says.

For most applications, a pseudo-random number is sufficient, he adds. “For example, if you want to do a random sampling of a large set of data, you’ll need numbers to feed into the program so that the samples are more or less evenly distributed. Using pseudo-random numbers is perfectly acceptable in this case because there’s no quantitative advantage in the degree of randomness.” Similarly, a CD player in “random” mode is probably really playing in pseudo-random mode, with a pattern that is discernible if you listen carefully enough.

Not all randomness is pseudo, however, says Ward. There are ways that machines can generate truly random numbers. And the importance of true randomness is not to be underestimated, he adds. “If you go to an online poker site, for example, and you know the algorithm and seed, you can write a program that will predict the cards that are going to be dealt.” Truly random numbers make such reverse engineering impossible, he adds. There are devices that generate numbers that claim to be truly random. They rely on unpredictable processes like thermal or atmospheric noise rather than human-defined patterns. The results might still be slightly biased towards higher numbers or even numbers, but they’re not generated by a deterministic algorithm. (A similar online solution is available at random.org.)—Jason M. Rubin

http://engineering.mit.edu/live/news/1753-can-a-computer-generate-a-truly-random-number


Report R0ykeane December 13, 2012 12:42 PM GMT
Shocked
Report Ovalman. December 13, 2012 7:45 PM GMT
Can you tell me how exactly that applies to online poker?
Report chipfire227 December 13, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
Mmm great, I've now got a migraine. Sad
Report hippie December 14, 2012 2:39 PM GMT
If you read the article properly (even the last paragraph) it tells you exactly how that applies to online poker.
Report fedddddddd uppppppppp December 14, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
There are devices that generate numbers that claim to be truly random. They rely on unpredictable processes like thermal or atmospheric noise rather than human-defined patterns.

I believe BENTFAIR / OFFGAME use the above...

Personally I still think its r i g g e d for the fishes

Grin
Report Ovalman. December 14, 2012 5:17 PM GMT
If you don't know what card comes next then it doesn't matter if the RNG is a fixed pattern.

I have proof that the RNG is fair but I'm all ears if you can prove it otherwise.
Report hippie December 14, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
If it's a fixed pattern then it is not generating random numbers (ergo it is not a RNG) but your proof of a predictable but fair RNG sounds interesting.

Do share.
Report Ovalman. December 14, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
I'm not in the juiced brigade and I've never been in the juiced brigade. I've 300,000 hands stored in Holdem Manager, I ran the races report and lo and behold almost every all in situation matched as it should do ie. AA v any pocket pair is roughly 80% favourite, and hey presto they held up approximately 80% of every time they were all in. I can break down those stats further but I would imagine after 1,000,000 hands or 10 Million these numbers will become so close to the actual statistical norm that if it wasn't a fair RNG or a juiced RNG then my stats would pick up on it.

Just forget about the RNG. It's the same for everyone. It's impossible to predict the next sequence of numbers on the receiving end and the only way to hack the system is on the poker site's servers.  If you lose consistently then YOU are the problem. Not the RNG or your opponents or the poker gods in the sky but YOU.
Report chipfire227 December 14, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
“If you go to an online poker site, for example, and you know the algorithm and seed, you can write a program that will predict the cards that are going to be dealt.”

He doesn't and he hasn't ( nap )
Report hippie December 14, 2012 10:05 PM GMT

Just forget about the RNG. It's the same for everyone. It's impossible to predict the next sequence of numbers on the receiving end and the only way to hack the system is on the poker site's servers.  If you lose consistently then YOU are the problem. Not the RNG or your opponents or the poker gods in the sky but YOU.


I agree (and I've just been bowled out of a tournament when my AA ran into a flush Laugh)

Report hippie December 14, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
*pocket AA
Report blundered 2 out EASED!! December 15, 2012 1:19 AM GMT

Dec 14, 2012 -- 4:09PM, hippie wrote:


*pocket AA


WHEN BOWLING OUT WAS IT TO  PLAYER WITH A BIGGER STACK?

Report blundered 2 out EASED!! December 15, 2012 1:23 AM GMT

Dec 8, 2012 -- 10:34PM, shudacuda wrote:


If its so predictable,why do you lose?


Lose! who said i lose ?  and the reason for not winning is that its out of my hands and that i believe the random generator decides

Report chipfire227 December 15, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
[ x ] It's never their fault .
Report youwillblucky December 16, 2012 10:53 PM GMT
in this day and age why would anyone assume that the cards are random ? In what way would that help betfairs profits ?
All poker sites are a business to make money , nothing more ,n nothing less ... they are what they are !
Make your own opinion ,lol
Report George Bailey December 31, 2012 11:27 AM GMT

Dec 10, 2012 -- 12:57PM, chipfire227 wrote:


I have followed the OP's advice and started folding KK pre flop if I am not the biggest stack at the table. However following this logic to it's natural conclusion means that whatever hand I hold apart from AA will be dominated by the bigger stacks, so I now fold everything apart from AA pre flop, unless all of the people left to act have smaller stacks than me.It took some adjusting to, but I now feel confident I am playing optimally having factored in the r1gg3d RNG.   The OP should write a poker book IMHO. Anyone suggest a title for it ?


Texas Fold 'Em?

Report chipfire227 December 31, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
I think the policy of folding KK pre flop must even apply if you are level chips with your opponent :

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-298538439-1
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2012-12-31 13:48 until 2012-12-31 13:49



Seat 5: chipfire227 (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 8: HajduJan2 (1,500 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS


ANTES/BLINDS
HajduJan2 posts small blind (10), chipfire227 posts big blind (20),

PRE-FLOP
HajduJan2 raises to 60, chipfire227 raises to 180, HajduJan2 calls 180.

FLOP [board cards: 5D,9S,8D]
chipfire227 bets 180, HajduJan2 raises to 1,320 and is all-in, chipfire227 calls 1,320 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards: 5D,9S,8D,2H]


RIVER [board cards: 5D,9S,8D,2H,7C]


SHOWDOWN
HajduJan2 shows [ 5S,7S ]
chipfire227 shows [ KS,KD ]
HajduJan2 wins 3,000. Sad
Report casemoney December 31, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
It is ramdom 5% ers randomly river 50 % 0f the time ,never seen so many short stacks wiped by rubbish in my life ...

A true reflection of the site is the amount of people who are regulary involved with shxt hands ,they cant all be fish ,can they ?
Report Ovalman. December 31, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
Read "The Poker Mindset", best book I read in 2012, it will improve your game immensely.
Report chipfire227 December 31, 2012 6:37 PM GMT
Any 2 suited is the way forward :

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-298567144-2
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2012-12-31 16:50 until 2012-12-31 16:51



Seat 1: olivier451 (1,530 in chips) 
Seat 3: chipfire227 (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 4: lostkiddo2 (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 5: Kooyote (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 8: mixos_84 (1,490 in chips) 
Seat 10: player1936 (1,480 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
player1936 posts small blind (10), olivier451 posts big blind (20),

PRE-FLOP
chipfire227 raises to 50, lostkiddo2 folds, Kooyote folds, mixos_84 raises to 80, player1936 folds, olivier451 folds, chipfire227 calls 80.

FLOP [board cards: 7C,AS,TC]
chipfire227 checks, mixos_84 bets 40, chipfire227 calls 40.

TURN [board cards: 7C,AS,TC,2C]
chipfire227 checks, mixos_84 bets 270, chipfire227 calls 270.

RIVER [board cards: 7C,AS,TC,2C,6H]
chipfire227 bets 250, mixos_84 raises to 600, chipfire227 raises to 1,110 and is all-in, mixos_84 calls 1,100 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
chipfire227 shows [ QC,KC ]
mixos_84 mucks cards [ AH,AC ]
chipfire227 wins 3,010.
Report chipfire227 December 31, 2012 6:40 PM GMT
More totally random  shyte from BF $20 STT land :

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-298527744-4
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2012-12-31 12:25 until 2012-12-31 12:25



Seat 2: sttass (1,310 in chips) 
Seat 4: marksomm (1,550 in chips) 
Seat 5: OUKB22 (1,480 in chips) 
Seat 6: dub-kings (1,460 in chips) 
Seat 9: chipfire227 (1,710 in chips) 
Seat 10: robrat7777 (1,490 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
OUKB22 posts small blind (10), dub-kings posts big blind (20),

PRE-FLOP
chipfire227 raises to 50, robrat7777 folds, sttass raises to 150, marksomm folds, OUKB22 folds, dub-kings folds, chipfire227 calls 150.

FLOP [board cards: AH,JH,4S]
chipfire227 checks, sttass bets 150, chipfire227 raises to 300, sttass raises to 450, chipfire227 raises to 1,560 and is all-in, sttass calls 1,160 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards: AH,JH,4S,7D]


RIVER [board cards: AH,JH,4S,7D,7C]


SHOWDOWN
chipfire227 shows [ KC,AS ]
sttass shows [ KS,TD ]
chipfire227 wins 2,650.
Report Irish_Celtic January 2, 2013 8:20 PM GMT
It dont change the fact that the guy is right. Big stack wipes out everything that calls late in tournaments. If you cant see that then you are blind or have an agenda.HTH
Report chipfire227 January 2, 2013 9:18 PM GMT
I could post 1000 hand histories that proves otherwise, but what's the point ? Losing players always blame the RNG. Grin
Report Shaky January 3, 2013 12:32 PM GMT
it's true, big stacks always win vs all-ins late in tournaments. Whenever I get the chip lead, I shove every hand and have won my last 1747 tournaments using this method. thankfully, nobody else has cottoned on to this trick. I suspect I will soon own all the money that exists in the online poker world.
Report Irish_Celtic January 3, 2013 1:49 PM GMT
Its juiced to the hilt ,get over it.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 3:17 PM GMT
Shaky • January 3, 2013 12:32 PM GMT
it's true, big stacks always win vs all-ins late in tournaments. Whenever I get the chip lead, I shove every hand and have won my last 1747 tournaments using this method. thankfully, nobody else has cottoned on to this trick. I suspect I will soon own all the money that exists in the online poker world. LaughLaugh
Report Irish_Celtic January 3, 2013 3:38 PM GMT
Shaky and chip can test the theory when they are the only 2 left .People leaving in droves.Says it all really.
Report Shaky January 3, 2013 4:42 PM GMT
seems strange to leave just when you have noticed a method of guaranteeing victory.
Report Irish_Celtic January 3, 2013 5:44 PM GMT
Ah but you are too dumb to understand you must become chip leader in the first place. Wake up before posting ta.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 7:15 PM GMT
You should go to the Sunday Papers with this earth shattering revelation Irish, they will pay a fortune for the story, especially when you produce all the evidence. Laugh
Report Irish_Celtic January 3, 2013 7:20 PM GMT
Gosh you are so hilarious aint you LaughLaughLaugh  Moron
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
You mean you don't have the evidence ? Jesus I feel so let down. Sad
Report Irish_Celtic January 3, 2013 7:31 PM GMT
But alas apparently you do........Shows how much of a know it all you think you are. The mere fact that theres so many sick of this **** sh1t says a lot more to me,than you and a couple of your cronies on here trying to defend it 24/7
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 8:01 PM GMT
Okay heres hands from one game I'm playing now- how do you explain these big stacks constantly losing , even with AA ? The shorties even win with 27, 3 outers, hit runner runner etc ffs.


Seat 2: CBQLOTA (2,100 in chips) 
Seat 3: chipfire227 (3,725 in chips) 
Seat 5: kal_el03 (4,970 in chips) 
Seat 6: ilias_bel (945 in chips) 
Seat 7: jkuiuiu (1,825 in chips) 
Seat 9: Sompe (3,245 in chips) 
Seat 10: elvis left (7,475 in chips) 

PRE-FLOP
chipfire227 folds, kal_el03 folds, ilias_bel calls 200, jkuiuiu folds, Sompe raises to 400, elvis left calls 400, CBQLOTA folds, ilias_bel calls 400.

FLOP [board cards: 4H,TH,JC]
elvis left checks, ilias_bel checks, Sompe bets 600, elvis left folds, ilias_bel calls 525 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards: 4H,TH,JC,2H]

RIVER [board cards: 4H,TH,JC,2H,JS]
SHOWDOWN
Sompe shows [ AC,AD ]
ilias_bel shows [ TS,JH ]
ilias_bel wins 2,590.

Seat 2: CBQLOTA (1,880 in chips) 
Seat 3: chipfire227 (3,705 in chips) 
Seat 5: kal_el03 (4,950 in chips) 
Seat 6: ilias_bel (2,590 in chips) 
Seat 7: jkuiuiu (1,805 in chips) 
Seat 9: Sompe (2,300 in chips) 
Seat 10: elvis left (7,055 in chips) 

PRE-FLOP
kal_el03 folds, ilias_bel folds, jkuiuiu raises to 1,785 and is all-in, Sompe folds, elvis left calls 1,785, CBQLOTA folds, chipfire227 folds.

FLOP [board cards: 2D,3D,9S]


TURN [board cards: 2D,3D,9S,KH]


RIVER [board cards: 2D,3D,9S,KH,4S]


SHOWDOWN
jkuiuiu shows [ 7C,7D ]
elvis left shows [ QH,TH ]
jkuiuiu wins 4,010.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 8:02 PM GMT
Seat 2: CBQLOTA (1,700 in chips) 
Seat 3: chipfire227 (3,325 in chips) 
Seat 5: kal_el03 (4,470 in chips) 
Seat 6: ilias_bel (2,110 in chips) 
Seat 7: jkuiuiu (4,390 in chips) 
Seat 9: Sompe (2,220 in chips) 
Seat 10: elvis left (6,070 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
ilias_bel posts ante (40), jkuiuiu posts ante (40), Sompe posts ante (40), elvis left posts ante (40), CBQLOTA posts ante (40), chipfire227 posts ante (40), kal_el03 posts ante (40), ilias_bel posts small blind (200), jkuiuiu posts big blind (400),

PRE-FLOP
Sompe raises to 2,180 and is all-in, elvis left raises to 6,030 and is all-in, CBQLOTA folds, chipfire227 folds, kal_el03 folds, ilias_bel calls 2,070 and is all-in, jkuiuiu folds.

FLOP [board cards: 9H,4C,5C]


TURN [board cards: 9H,4C,5C,8D]


RIVER [board cards: 9H,4C,5C,8D,6H]


SHOWDOWN
elvis left shows [ AC,9C ]
ilias_bel shows [ KC,KS ]
Sompe shows [ 8C,AH ]
ilias_bel wins 6,890, elvis left wins 220.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 8:02 PM GMT
Seat 2: CBQLOTA (940 in chips) 
Seat 3: chipfire227 (4,125 in chips) 
Seat 5: kal_el03 (4,310 in chips) 
Seat 6: ilias_bel (6,770 in chips) 
Seat 7: jkuiuiu (360 in chips) 
Seat 10: elvis left (7,780 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
chipfire227 posts ante (40), kal_el03 posts ante (40), ilias_bel posts ante (40), jkuiuiu posts ante (40), elvis left posts ante (40), CBQLOTA posts ante (40), chipfire227 posts small blind (200), kal_el03 posts big blind (400),

PRE-FLOP
ilias_bel folds, jkuiuiu calls 320 and is all-in, elvis left folds, CBQLOTA raises to 900 and is all-in, PLAYER_USED_TIME_BANK
, chipfire227 folds, kal_el03 calls 900.

FLOP [board cards: 9D,7C,3D]


TURN [board cards: 9D,7C,3D,JH]


RIVER [board cards: 9D,7C,3D,JH,4S]


SHOWDOWN
CBQLOTA shows [ KC,2C ]
kal_el03 shows [ AH,QS ]
jkuiuiu shows [ 2S,7S ]
jkuiuiu wins 1,400, kal_el03 wins 1,160.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 8:03 PM GMT
Seat 1: RabAzd (4,835 in chips) 
Seat 3: chipfire227 (5,145 in chips) 
Seat 4: mimostimtim (2,115 in chips) 
Seat 5: kal_el03 (2,830 in chips) 
Seat 6: ilias_bel (5,710 in chips) 
Seat 7: jkuiuiu (3,400 in chips) 
Seat 8: woro4 (5,850 in chips) 
Seat 9: Mymanivey (7,495 in chips) 
Seat 10: elvis left (7,620 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
jkuiuiu posts ante (60), woro4 posts ante (60), Mymanivey posts ante (60), elvis left posts ante (60), RabAzd posts ante (60), chipfire227 posts ante (60), mimostimtim posts ante (60), kal_el03 posts ante (60), ilias_bel posts ante (60), jkuiuiu posts small blind (300), woro4 posts big blind (600),

PRE-FLOP
Mymanivey folds, elvis left raises to 7,560 and is all-in, RabAzd folds, chipfire227 folds, mimostimtim calls 2,055 and is all-in, kal_el03 folds, ilias_bel folds, jkuiuiu folds, woro4 folds.

FLOP [board cards: 2H,9H,7H]


TURN [board cards: 2H,9H,7H,4C]


RIVER [board cards: 2H,9H,7H,4C,5C]


SHOWDOWN
elvis left shows [ TS,KC ]
mimostimtim shows [ JH,KH ]
mimostimtim wins 5,550
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 8:03 PM GMT
Seat 1: RabAzd (6,035 in chips) 
Seat 3: chipfire227 (4,865 in chips) 
Seat 4: mimostimtim (5,330 in chips) 
Seat 6: ilias_bel (6,870 in chips) 
Seat 7: jkuiuiu (2,820 in chips) 
Seat 8: woro4 (10,540 in chips) 
Seat 9: Mymanivey (6,215 in chips) 
Seat 10: elvis left (2,325 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
RabAzd posts ante (80), chipfire227 posts ante (80), mimostimtim posts ante (80), ilias_bel posts ante (80), jkuiuiu posts ante (80), woro4 posts ante (80), Mymanivey posts ante (80), elvis left posts ante (80), RabAzd posts small blind (400), chipfire227 posts big blind (800),

PRE-FLOP
mimostimtim folds, ilias_bel folds, jkuiuiu folds, woro4 folds, Mymanivey folds, elvis left raises to 2,245 and is all-in, RabAzd folds, chipfire227 calls 2,245.

FLOP [board cards: 2C,QC,8C]


TURN [board cards: 2C,QC,8C,6H]


RIVER [board cards: 2C,QC,8C,6H,6C]


SHOWDOWN
elvis left shows [ 6D,KD ]
chipfire227 shows [ QH,2S ]
elvis left wins 5,530.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 8:04 PM GMT
Seat 1: RabAzd (5,635 in chips) 
Seat 3: chipfire227 (1,300 in chips) 
Seat 4: mimostimtim (2,210 in chips) 
Seat 8: woro4 (13,660 in chips) 
Seat 9: Mymanivey (9,615 in chips) 
Seat 10: elvis left (12,580 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
RabAzd posts ante (160), chipfire227 posts ante (160), mimostimtim posts ante (160), woro4 posts ante (160), Mymanivey posts ante (160), elvis left posts ante (160), RabAzd posts small blind (800), chipfire227 posts big blind (1,140),

PRE-FLOP
mimostimtim folds, woro4 folds, Mymanivey folds, elvis left folds, RabAzd calls 1,140.

FLOP [board cards: AC,8C,JC]


TURN [board cards: AC,8C,JC,KS]


RIVER [board cards: AC,8C,JC,KS,2C]


SHOWDOWN
chipfire227 shows [ QC,9D ]
RabAzd shows [ 3D,5H ]
chipfire227 wins 3,240.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 8:05 PM GMT
7-8 times short stack beats bigger stack even with the worst hand ??? I've rang the Sunday Papers and told them you are having a rethink. Laugh
Report Shaky January 3, 2013 8:07 PM GMT
“The harder I practice, the luckier I get.”
― Gary Player
Report Irish_Celtic January 3, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
I said its juiced to fcuk and not realastic.I didnt say the big hands win evertime, i said the chip leader cleans up at tourneys.Dont misquote me if you want a debate.The fact that the sh1t hands constantly crack aces is proof in itself,gives the mugs all the encouagment they need to push.How many times do you see back door straights,back door flush and oh the little pause before the ace comes on the river.......not realastic i dont care what you say.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 9:21 PM GMT
Winning players think the game is straight, the losing players blame the site. I'm quite happy  for the donks to keep blaming everyone but themselves. God forbid they ever look at hand histories and work out the real reason they are losers. Laugh
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 9:26 PM GMT
As for misquoting you, please do try and remember what it is you are saying when you are calling other people m0r0ns...and I quote you word for word:

"It dont change the fact that the guy is right. Big stack wipes out everything that calls late in tournaments."
Report Irish_Celtic January 3, 2013 9:56 PM GMT
And whats your point? Or are you just being a pedantic little tw1t?
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
I guess what I'm saying is that the people peddling unsubstantiated conspiracy horsesh1t while abusing anyone who puts forward any kind of rational and fact based argument against them tend to be losing players. These same people also tend to blame the fact they are losing on the site being r1gg3d or ju1c3d, when the reality is that they lack the basic patience, discipline, and intellect to play the game profitably.

I dont want to appear ungrateful however, as these same people pay for my family to go on nice holidays every year. Love
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 9:33 AM GMT
Enjoy your holiday if thats all you get for thousands of hours on here you mug Laugh.  You know what they say about people who shout loudest about being winners dont ya?You even managed to blow your own theory out of the water when you admitted you couldnt get aces to stand up to back door str8ts and flushes.Thats how much of a cretin you are you dont even understand what you are trying to say.Look i can do smileys too LaughLaughLaugh  Enjoy your heads up games on the sinking ship....maybe this year your profit will increase to 5p an hour. What a MUG Crazy
Report chipfire227 January 4, 2013 11:23 AM GMT
Wow you really are bitter. You should channel all that anger, animosity, and negativity into something constructive before those feelings of inadequacy overwhelm you. You know deep down it's for the best sunshine. Happy
Report shudacuda January 4, 2013 1:40 PM GMT
irish celtic is a bitter individual.

just check out his posts on the football forum.


same vile comments.
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
Name the vile comments. I have said nothing to bother anybody on football forum.

You however are a well known secterian bigot who is generally ignored.#

Shows your lack of class and general stupidity to follow me here to insult me.

Get a life son.
Report shudacuda January 4, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
Follow you,i think you will find i was on here before you.

How can i be sectarian when im non religious?

You find me 1 post where i have brought up religion?

======================================================

I welcome your reply.
Report shudacuda January 4, 2013 2:34 PM GMT
I will accept an apology though Irish Celtic,in your own time when you have scoured the forum.
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 2:56 PM GMT
Well you wont get one from me. Is it just a hatred for celtic you have then? Why is that?

Why do you only appear on threads about Celtic venting your spew?

Why are you so obsessed???

Do you not realise how sick you look to oridanry decent people??
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 2:57 PM GMT
You never posted my alleged vile comments either??

Did you get a life in the mean time???  No thought not.

Now p1ss off and mind your own buisness you little tw1t
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 3:43 PM GMT
Sick cheap shot. Shows your mentality.More brains in a banana
Report shudacuda January 4, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
Game,set and match.  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
Indeed
Report shudacuda January 4, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
Chip your wasting your time trying to explain to him in a rational way.

Hes in denial and can only revert to being abusive rather than post an intellectual reply.
Report chipfire227 January 4, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
It's a very strange forum this. Someone can be repeatedly  abusive to others for no reason whatsoever and the Moderators do nothing, yet when I have suggested that the abuser seek help for their anger management issues and general unprovoked hostility to others, the comment gets pulled.

What a terrible, terrible, world we live in and no mistake. Whoever moderates this forum should hang their head in shame. Sad
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 6:25 PM GMT
You should hang your head in shame for mentioning child abuse.What a disgrace you really are. Trying to play the victim now to worm your way out of it. What a sick person you must be. Well done to the moderator for bringing you into line.
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 6:36 PM GMT
And dont bother replying with any more of your drivel,im finished with this thread. No wonder this forum is all but finished .
Report chipfire227 January 4, 2013 7:14 PM GMT
Its a fact that a lot of adults who are agressive and abusive to complete strangers for absolutely no reason whatsoever are simply mirroring behaviour they witnessed in their formative years. As has been pointed out you seem completely incapable of inter-acting with any other members of society who hold a differing viewpoint to your own without resorting to vile and totally unprovoked abuse.

I have made no specific allegations merely generic ones, and 100 per cent stand by my comments. Adults behaving in the way you behave, have generally come from childhood enviroments where abusing people and making derogatory comments was the norm, and pychological abuse was accepted and indeed celebrated.

 
Your parents must be very proud of you.
Report Irish_Celtic January 4, 2013 8:39 PM GMT
If my parents were abusing me and making derogatory comments i dounbt very much if they would care how proud they were of me. Laugh 

Once again your stupidity appears limitless.

Im sure you will want the last word, try to think before you type this time.Wink
Report chipfire227 January 4, 2013 9:36 PM GMT
You say you are finished with this thread then comment further. Vile individuals have no issues with mendacity. Clearly sir, you are no gentleman, and a bad loser to boot. What a wretched combination.

Like I said, seek help to turn your life around and you may find some happiness in this beautiful world.
Report blundered 2 out EASED!! January 13, 2013 5:55 AM GMT
chipfire227     Irish_Celtic     shudacuda    what a win trixie!  The comments and banter you share remind me of the days when playing poker on betfair thats how deep i use to get with other players via the chat.I have the latest Betting in running odds if your interested? chipfire227  4/9     irish_celtic  15/8    shudacuda  9/2   .......
Report shudacuda January 13, 2013 1:53 PM GMT
Ill take that 9/2.
Report spursbri4 January 14, 2013 8:33 PM GMT
i play for 10 hours a day and there are definate patterns. im not saying its fixed but the same cards come over to at regular intervals. playing live never gives the same cards as regularly
Report kincsem January 15, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
"They rely on unpredictable processes like thermal or atmospheric noise"

The random number generator is a farting machine. Mischief
Report chipfire227 January 15, 2013 8:08 PM GMT
There are certainly times when I want to put my fist through the monitor :

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-301915221-20
played at "Table #3" for USD TC from 2013-01-15 20:03 until 2013-01-15 20:04



Seat 1: kako71 (2,445 in chips) 
Seat 2: chipfire227 (2,180 in chips) 
Seat 3: -dingdong- (2,600 in chips) 
Seat 4: andreascon (1,145 in chips) 
Seat 5: _CarpHunter_ (1,405 in chips) 
Seat 6: ovehenri (2,460 in chips) 
Seat 7: shabbbbe (1,485 in chips) 
Seat 8: anto1972 x (3,095 in chips) 
Seat 9: kal_el03 (3,040 in chips) 
Seat 10: Elrond_cz (1,425 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
_CarpHunter_ posts small blind (100), ovehenri posts big blind (200),

PRE-FLOP
shabbbbe folds, anto1972 x folds, kal_el03 folds, Elrond_cz folds, kako71 calls 200, chipfire227 raises to 600, -dingdong- folds, andreascon raises to 1,145 and is all-in, _CarpHunter_ folds, ovehenri folds, kako71 calls 1,145, chipfire227 raises to 2,180 and is all-in, kako71 calls 2,180.

FLOP [board cards: 2D,QD,KC]


TURN [board cards: 2D,QD,KC,6D]


RIVER [board cards: 2D,QD,KC,6D,JD]


SHOWDOWN
chipfire227 shows [ AC,AS ]
andreascon shows [ 3S,3H ]
kako71 shows [ 8S,AD ]
kako71 wins 3,735, kako71 wins 2,070.
Report chipfire227 January 15, 2013 8:08 PM GMT
TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-301911495-1
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2013-01-15 19:33 until 2013-01-15 19:35



Seat 1: Kurka91 (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 2: s3z4m (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 3: 2cutechick2 (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 4: foexd7e6j1ee (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 5: chipfire227 (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 6: Elrond_cz (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 7: rasmusok_ (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 8: NashFresh (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 9: princeadonis (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 10: dantes007 (1,500 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS


ANTES/BLINDS
rasmusok_ posts small blind (10), NashFresh posts big blind (20),

PRE-FLOP
princeadonis folds, dantes007 folds, Kurka91 folds, s3z4m folds, 2cutechick2 folds, foexd7e6j1ee folds, chipfire227 raises to 50, Elrond_cz folds, rasmusok_ calls 50, NashFresh folds.

FLOP [board cards: JS,9C,QC]
rasmusok_ checks, chipfire227 bets 60, PLAYER_USED_TIME_BANK
, rasmusok_ calls 60.

TURN [board cards: JS,9C,QC,4S]
rasmusok_ bets 180, chipfire227 raises to 630, rasmusok_ raises to 1,390 and is all-in, chipfire227 calls 1,390 and is all-in.

RIVER [board cards: JS,9C,QC,4S,4C]


SHOWDOWN
rasmusok_ shows [ JC,4H ]
chipfire227 shows [ KH,TD ]
rasmusok_ wins 3,020.
Report manxy January 16, 2013 10:21 AM GMT
chipfire still defending the indefensible with his oh so logical shyte, played a million hands overmany years, and still makes barely 40c a tourney av, whatta phuken plum.
Report chipfire227 January 16, 2013 12:12 PM GMT
Nobody puts a gun to your head and forces you to play.

Oh and its $1.20 per tourney you cheeky monkey. Love
Report chipfire227 January 16, 2013 10:11 PM GMT
How  much does an internet troll earn these days by the way manxy ? I heard a rumour even your top colleagues were only getting paid £0.00 per month. Only a rumour I heard, but don't sound like a lot. You fellas should join a union or something.
Report blundered 2 out EASED!! January 18, 2013 5:29 AM GMT

Jan 13, 2013 -- 7:53AM, shudacuda wrote:


Ill take that 9/2.


1.01 now son sorry !

Report TheChaser January 25, 2013 1:13 AM GMT
if its random how can we suss the river card
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