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19 Sep 12 08:47
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Betfair are leaving ongame for ipoker. No link but i have been told its a done deal.
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Report bully666 September 19, 2012 9:31 AM BST
Maybe you heard about this?
Report jc30 September 19, 2012 3:12 PM BST
Betfair are moving, dont know whether it will be ipoker though, an announcment is going to be made October/November. I personally am not a big fan of Ipoker, however, if I still get to keep my 30% rb deal, then i wont mind.
Report bully666 September 19, 2012 5:09 PM BST
30% is nothing, I have over 50% on ipoker.

But ipoker is full of bots, really full.
Report shudacuda September 21, 2012 1:02 PM BST
Ipoker is hardly an improvement.
All the bookies are ending up there.
Report dave1357 September 21, 2012 11:36 PM BST
Apart from the bots it's riddled with bugs. They have even managed to fk up the new rush/zoom style poker by making every second hand 4 handed.
Report Yorky Pud September 25, 2012 8:28 PM BST
I met with a few of the management team in Malta last week and asked about the rumoured iPoker move and they categorically denied it.
Report AskoBFPoker September 26, 2012 8:40 AM BST
I thinks it is time to shed more light on the ipoker/ongame question here.

We will continue to offer our dotcom poker product through the Ongame platform but will be launching poker for the regulated markets of Spain and Italy with Playtech. Playtech’s offering allows us more flexibility of service as they are able to provide products ring fenced for different jurisdictions.

Regards - Asko
Report singlecask September 28, 2012 12:26 AM BST
Now that ongame has been sold ( Amaya gaming group ) can you shed any light on what betfairs will be doing. Can you confirm that it looks like your droping ongame and going back to the old software !!
Report gnashersblackpool September 28, 2012 2:13 AM BST
will the last persin left please turn off the light.
Report trave123 September 29, 2012 12:34 AM BST
naw let them pay for the leccy least they deserve
Report dave1357 September 30, 2012 3:05 PM BST

Sep 28, 2012 -- 12:26AM, singlecask wrote:

Now that ongame has been sold ( Amaya gaming group ) can you shed any light on what betfairs will be doing. Can you confirm that it looks like your droping ongame and going back to the old software !!

Ironically Amaya own Cryptologic who BF deserted years ago.  That software was fine but Hills BF etc all left and joined hopeless bug-ridden pish networks like ongame and ipoker.

Report singlecask September 30, 2012 3:27 PM BST
About a month or so back AGG ( Amaya ) and Betfair signed a three year deal for AGG to provide Betfairs arcade product.Now AGG snap up Ongame for loose change...smell a plot.

shed the light Betfair !
Report shudacuda October 1, 2012 11:33 PM BST
I would take the old crypto software back in a flash.
Report numer0ne October 2, 2012 7:22 PM BST
ah the glory days
Report numer0ne October 2, 2012 7:43 PM BST
wow it really is dead on here, looking at the 'latest posts' column. WHen did the bomb go off?
Report shudacuda October 13, 2012 5:50 PM BST
Well thats Corals left Ongame and gone to Ipoker.

Report singlecask October 23, 2012 1:21 AM BST
Will Betfair follow **** and remove the poker option ? Would explain a few things !
Report bully666 October 23, 2012 7:48 AM BST
Follow who?
Report singlecask October 23, 2012 6:57 PM BST
That Irish sporstbook  daq bet.. strange what the feel they have to censor Confused
Report harter October 25, 2012 4:12 AM BST
iPoker is awful but if skins like Hills, Betfair etc. move there they'll have to improve the product. Betfair will remain with Ongame as long as Bwin continues to offer the product on their site. But once Bwin moves to Party Poker there is no incentive for Betfair to remain with Ongame because there will be next to no volume which was the reason they gave up on their proprietary product to begin with.
Report harter October 25, 2012 4:13 AM BST
What are the chances of Betfair moving to Party Poker with Bwin?
Report shudacuda October 26, 2012 10:41 PM BST
ye they might move to Party.

Zynga are opening up their poker on Party shortly.

Also major new software getting unveiled for Party early 2013.
Report singlecask October 28, 2012 12:41 AM BST
This poker room will be on life support soon. The poker boom has turned into a pop and with f tilt dealing up again and as you say above even more competion for the fish.The chance is Betfair will see a fair drop in the player base. As the move to Ongame was supposed to cure betfairs problems it seems they will be right back to the problems they failed to cure ( instead seems they only killed the community spirt the site once had..well done with that ). Is the poker more hassle than it is worth ?( about 8% into coffers )some clever strategies from the management are required so with the clowns that run this farce is doomed.
Report xmoneyx November 30, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
the graphics + tournies on betfair WERE so good Sad

sky poker for me now--more lively
Report singlecask December 20, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
It is now time to come clean BETFAIR and tell your customers what date you will shut your poker site down on.

Trust BETFAIR lol.
Report bully666 December 21, 2012 6:28 AM GMT
Traffic on poker is still higher than back in the days where betfair was not part of any poker network, so why would the "panic" now, if they operated nicely back then ?

I believe people are making too much fuzz about ongame. Priority of betfair poker is not to become the biggest poker room nor to offer poker as their main product, they only care about recreational players and not regulars who win at poker, this is not pokerstars guys.
Report singlecask December 21, 2012 10:08 AM GMT
Can you back up your statement about the traffic .. and if it was all ok back then why the move to ongame ? and i think you will find they only care about profit not players or customers ect.
Report shudacuda December 21, 2012 1:56 PM GMT

I believe people are making too much fuzz about ongame. Priority of betfair poker is not to become the biggest poker room nor to offer poker as their main product, they only care about recreational players and not regulars who win at poker, this is not pokerstars guys


You don't make any sense.The more players they have.the more rake they take in.

Lets hope they don't end up on Ipoker.
Report maggot December 21, 2012 3:17 PM GMT
Sent betfair an E mail today about the ghost town which is Ongame.....

Their reply ( from the poker team )... " We do not have any details about our poker network on hand ".

Report Daryl Revok December 21, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
Report wobbly December 24, 2012 2:14 AM GMT
never mind" moving" not even working AGAIN. in a game , table freezes log out can't log in again , gets worse and worse.
Report singlecask December 27, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
Can BETFAIR confirm they are to shut down the poker in March !!
Report chipfire227 December 31, 2012 12:17 PM GMT
The deafening silence confirms what most of us have suspected for some time, apart from running Live Events/Pish ups, BT Poker Management have no interest in poker. I remember them discussing BWIN leaving in 2011 at them Q and A things me and Thrappers went to, and  there genuinely seemed no concern whatsoever about it, indeed many at BF seemed to think it a good thing as it would make BF a bigger player within Ongame.

They now have a situation where they are still tied to a crap network that their customers told them they didn't like, with traffic as crap as it was before they switched, and the worst Christmas Promotions I can ever remember in the time I've been playing.

At least before the BWIN exit they could say they were using a Network with traffic. Now players are sat watching tumbleweed blow past while waiting for half an hour for an STT to fill. And still no exit strategy on the horizon. They just sit on their hands watching the customers drift off to other networks. Bizzarre. Happy
Report The Leopard January 1, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
The door is that way--------------> LaughLaughLaugh
Report bully666 January 2, 2013 9:54 PM GMT
What about this then?
Report singlecask January 3, 2013 5:49 PM GMT
and your point is !!
Report bully666 January 3, 2013 6:44 PM GMT
Why would they throw "million of dollars" to sponsor one of the biggest poker event if they dont plan to offer poker anymore?
Report singlecask January 3, 2013 9:36 PM GMT
Do you know what they paid? or is millions just a stab at it ?..end tax year.. funds left in poker budget point wasting it on site..big pr splash..could have that.
Report chipfire227 January 3, 2013 9:54 PM GMT
In the article it states quite clearly they are using the sponsorship to promote the betting exchange. Given the legal position over there I doubt they would be promoting online poker. Do Ongame even operate in Australia, I cant recall ever seeingan Australian player on any of their leaderboards ?
Report bully666 January 3, 2013 10:04 PM GMT
You might be right there chip!

Still, this event is global and will have a lot of TV coverage.

I was obvious guessing about the amount of money, but I would be real surprised if its "pocket money".

Anyway, crossing my fingers for the best, there is no place like BF to play poker, the promotions adds tons of value!
Report JoKeR373 January 4, 2013 4:23 PM GMT
they have an australian daily tornament,i think they want in on australian market but being a european site traffic dies for peak hrs in a aussie market in poker
Report wulfman1 January 4, 2013 10:00 PM GMT
2 1/2 years ago i was one of the biggest opponents to the move to Ongame, since the bad software already then was famous of big total crab.

For me Betfair is bye far the best site to play, and i will follow them anywere.

Thou i think a movement at this time would be a tactical error.

I believe that the american politicans either will make poker legal or put online poker to sleep the next many years.

If the US online poker market would be opended again, new players will arrive. Not all action will go tp Pokerstars (FT)

If Betfair moves to ipoker at this moment, they migth have the same problem in a year or two. One can only will certainty say that pokerstars and partypoker will surveive as networks if the american politicans decide to legalise online poker.

(bare with the poor grammar and spelling errors, i am a scandi)
Report McCoy Carp January 4, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
Pity the poor people that bought in when the company was first floated but I think the shares have got a lot lower to go yet. The novelty of exchange betting has worn off, the bookies have narrowed the gap in terms of innovation, markets and promotions, poker has been a disaster and the new Beta site is horrible, but the biggest problem is Betfair have no shops. They are missing out on the "no questions answered" cash that goes through FOBTs? I could probably put £10,000 through 1 in a day without anyone blinking an eyelid, but try buying a new car from a  dealer with 10 grand in readies? WH @ 3.50 or BF @ 6.70? I know which I'd rather have.
Report Ovalman. January 4, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
I've gone to Stars and am posting on a forum (not 2p2) where I've improved no end.

Ongaming had some decent XMas promos but I ignored them. Betfair/ Ongaming have so many stability issues, terrible software and bad customer services I've given up. I'll be playing Stars for the foreseeable future.

And Wulfy, you were the best poker player I ever came across on the old Betfair (Pokerchamps) but things move on, I sort of decyphered that you don't play on Ongaming either.
Report chipfire227 January 4, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
Agree about the bookies fighting back. The margins on football have been cut right back by the High Street and once you take comission into account, especially on multiples theres no real advantage to be had on BF. I backed Walsall tonight for instance and there was no difference between prices with the books and with BF. The bookies have also become very adept at identifying and limiting bets on people arbbing.

With racing, the best price guarantees will be winning back a lot of casual punters, especially firms like b365 who regularly give out free bets and bonuses, ditto Laddies with their odds on card for regs.

The other huge advantage they have over BF is that their customer service is normally excellent by comparison. They resolve your queries much quicker, apologise whenthey are wrong, and generally compensate you. Firms like b365 and s James actually make you feel valued as a customer. BF on the other hand are a nightmare to deal with in my experience.
Report chipfire227 January 4, 2013 11:42 PM GMT
You reckon Ongame had some decent Xmas promos Oval ? Jeez, I must have missed them.

All I saw was that STT nonsense where the Leaderboard didnt work, and you had to send them a spreadsheet you kept yourself to eventually get paid out 50 quid, and the Xmas Cracker MTT thing, which were 1000+ runner games that ran for about 7 hours and had either $500 or $1000 added. If you take into consideration the money clawed back in entry fees, there was about 30 pence a day on average in valueback for the loyal customer prepared to sit there and play a shytefest on Christmas Eve,Christmas Day, New Years Eve, New Years Day, Boxing Day etc.

Comapred to Xmas promos in the past they were absolute bobbins. Who can remember Prize Mountain from a couple of years back where you got an X-box or a Netbook for playing about 100 games in a month ? Or Santas Sit and Go Sack thing where you got payola for winning 3 STT's in a row ? Think I got about $500 out of that little beauty. Grin
Report Ovalman. January 5, 2013 12:05 AM GMT
TBF Chip any promo run by a site is there to reward the site and not the players, Betfair were over generous in the past.

The $1k added with 1000 runners wasn't bad by today's standards and much better than anything that Stars has to offer.

I've shown a lot of loyalty, they've been good to me in the past and I want Betfair to succeed. I've completed all the surveys, spoke on the forum but they've stuck 2 fingers up to me and everyone. I'm gone, I want to come back but I've no reason too.

The sticky at the top and lack of moderation where you can say whatever you want to diss the site says a lot on how much they want the poker to be part of their products.
Report chipfire227 January 5, 2013 2:47 PM GMT
Yeah but dont forget Oval the Ongame STT player is paying the highest entry fees on the net. You play a $20 Turbo STT and your fee is $2,even for D2N and heads up, so 10%. Most other sites charge 5-6%. We were told in the past that higher entry fee was justified because the network gave that money back to the players via promotions. So its our money they are meant to be spending.

In terms of the $1000 added Cracker game I played, the entry fee was $5.50 and there were 1200 runners. So they clawed back $600 straight away on the fees, meaning their spend was $400 across 1200 players, which works out about 20 pence per player.

Like you I wanted them to turn things around but it ain't happening. Gonna try Full Tilt for the next month or two. Probably still play a bit on here as got some leaderboard and rake money in the account, and theres a few other players I like to chat to at the tables every now and then.
Report wulfman1 January 5, 2013 7:03 PM GMT
Thank you for those kind words Ovalman, especilly at the moment were my poker confidence is on its lowest.

Comparing to other pokersites at Ongame or other Networks, Betfair is in my opinion the site that gives most value back to "middle and lowrollers".

The rake at HU games is ofcource to high, but if you are mainly a 6 or 10 handed STT player the rake is abouth the same as overall.

What Betfair did wrong in the past, was that they made some really nice promotions, but got little attention, due to bad managment.

Who dosent remeber the "Million dollar freeroll". The promo did cost them overall 2$ million

When the final was play in London (2009) there was only twitter coverage. So you make a 2 million promotion for the average players, and then you dont even pimp up your own final.

Pokerstars got abouth 30-70 times as many customers as Betfair. When they spend the same amount in a promotion, they get alot more action on there site, even if the value in average is very low.

So the main problem for Betfair has been bad marketing of really juice promotions.
Report chipfire227 January 5, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
Yeah I cant complain about the promos in the past, I got a WSOPE package from STAX promo, and WSOP package from that one in 2011. I remember when me you and entabenni used to take a 33% share of each other in MTT promos Wulfman, the good old days when there always seemed to be something happening !! Happy
Report PokerStein January 7, 2013 7:35 PM GMT
You were right. RIP Ongame.
Of course no indication of when:

"Dear xxx ,

New Betfair Poker on iPoker is about to arrive at Betfair.

Offering more players, more tables, cash games 24/7 and a greater range of tournaments - not to mention Speed Poker - New Betfair Poker will be an amazing experience.

New Betfair Poker will be the largest recreational network, and you'll be a part of it.

Watch this space – the future is just around the corner.

The New Betfair Poker team"
Report Froggitt January 7, 2013 9:38 PM GMT
I wonder how the new betfair poker team differs from the old betfair poker team.
Report R0ykeane January 7, 2013 9:40 PM GMT
Report Ovalman. January 7, 2013 9:48 PM GMT
The new team are very active already, they just removed the Kunku Wap sticky that was at the top of the forum - 6 weeks after the promotion ended.
Report KingOfNewYork January 7, 2013 9:49 PM GMT
Yes !! very good news.

Ipoker traffic on the up after the recent arrival of Everest poker, this is good news.

Its had some software issues but hopefully things are improving.
Report bully666 January 7, 2013 9:49 PM GMT

Wow, by 21st january, this is gonna be a mega fast one, so for sure they had it all planned, as OP suggested.
Report chipfire227 January 7, 2013 10:21 PM GMT
According to that we will still have the option to play Ongame STT for another 5-6 months so a bit like the BWIN migration.
Report R0ykeane January 7, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
The recreational-focused player pool consists predominantly of sports and casino gamblers, and is known for its softer-than-average games.Surprised
Report whysolohsbc January 7, 2013 10:41 PM GMT
this is a great move, well done BF.
Report PokerStein January 7, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
Anyone know/hazard a guess whether we will get same cakeback on IPoker with Betfair?
Report private bob January 8, 2013 12:42 AM GMT
pokerstein,how the fk would any of us on here know about ****,betfair management wont even know, i could give you a guess if you want,you sound a right proper tight git to me   Crazy.
Report private bob January 8, 2013 12:43 AM GMT
Report R0ykeane January 8, 2013 9:32 AM GMT
Report chipfire227 January 8, 2013 9:34 AM GMT
When they moved to Ongame they clearly stated all existing deals would be honoured, though they subsequently did their best to persuade players to switch to Players Club. I would imagine they will continue to honour those cake deals for anyone still playing with them.

Be more interesting to see what they do with people currently in Players Club and those of us who already play on I-Poker using a different skin.
Report bully666 January 8, 2013 9:37 AM GMT
Be more interesting to see what they do with leaderboards when people will be able to choose where to play, ongame or ipoker, will leaderboards combine results, or what? :)
Report gnashersblackpool January 8, 2013 12:19 PM GMT
i poker has more disconnections problems than ongame
Report dave1357 January 8, 2013 12:59 PM GMT
gnashersblackpool • January 8, 2013 12:19 PM GMT
i poker has much more bots than ongame

Report fedddddddd uppppppppp January 8, 2013 1:13 PM GMT
The main difference between "The old betfair poker management team" and the "New betfair poker management team" is that the
new team got lovely new BETFAIR HOODIES, and all new copies of "poker for dummies" books!

Report chipfire227 January 8, 2013 1:48 PM GMT
The Leaderboards haven't functioned when they have only had to cope with one lot of data and publish them daily, so no way will they cope with 2 lots. The weekly STT LB finishes at midnight on Thursday and the result isn't normally published until the following Monday as it is. Laugh

I repeatedly told them at the Q and A sessions if they cant update a Leaderboard regularly you defeat part of the objective in having them in the first place. Had I known where I was on the board last Wenesday night for instance I would have had a good incentive to play on the Thursday. As it stands I dont even look at them other than to see how much I won every Monday.
Report vorsmith. January 9, 2013 10:01 AM GMT
The new betfair poker team

I think some people misread this

Its not a new team of managers of betfair poker

Its New New New betfair poker team which are the same team as new betfair poker and old betfair poker

Hope you got that clear now
Report Santtu55 January 9, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
Ok, Betfair is going world worst pokersite, so In future me and my friends are playing poker only in FullTilt / PokerStars or new PartyPokerBwin !!
Goodbye Betfair !!!
Report chipfire227 January 10, 2013 11:40 AM GMT
While on the subject of Leaderboards I sent the new, new, new, poker team the following mail :


There are a number of Cypriot exchange shop logins on the current weekly STT Leaderboard e.g :


As these are used by multiple players during the course of each week they must surely be exempt from receiving payments under the terms and conditions, and should not be on there ? Happy
Report bully666 January 18, 2013 2:30 PM GMT
3 more days, anyone excited?

I still wonder how will they handle promotions, will they have a joint leaderboards or what?
Report fedddddddd uppppppppp January 18, 2013 2:51 PM GMT
Dear Chipfire, I think you will find the below peeps listed below are totally different people and total coincidence that they decided on their aliases being very similar , 1 in a million chance Excited 

There are a number of Cypriot exchange shop logins on the current weekly STT Leaderboard e.g :

Report chipfire227 January 18, 2013 11:25 PM GMT
The first mail I got back from them said we cant discuss anyones elses account with you, but we can assure you they aint dodgy. I sent one back saying I wasn't asking you to discuss their accounts, they already told me at the table the logins are used by mutiple players. I aint even bothered about them having multiple user logins cos they will all be sh1t players, I just dont think they is eligible for the Leaderboard.

They said after that they were going to investigate but nowt happened and they still on there.

Moral of the story is to set up an account for you and your friends and family to all play on. Draw up a rota if you like. The people running the site dont give a fk. My login in will be chipandallhismatessharinganaccountforleaderboardpurposes007
Report chipfire227 January 18, 2013 11:26 PM GMT
^^^ That comment will get pulled over the weekend (nap)
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