Betfair Moving

Maybe you heard about this?

http://www.casinochoice.co.uk/2012/09/18/betfair-to-join-ipoker-in-spain-and-italy/

Betfair are moving, dont know whether it will be ipoker though, an announcment is going to be made October/November. I personally am not a big fan of Ipoker, however, if I still get to keep my 30% rb deal, then i wont mind.

30% is nothing, I have over 50% on ipoker.

But ipoker is full of bots, really full.

Ipoker is hardly an improvement.
All the bookies are ending up there.

Apart from the bots it's riddled with bugs. They have even managed to fk up the new rush/zoom style poker by making every second hand 4 handed.

I met with a few of the management team in Malta last week and asked about the rumoured iPoker move and they categorically denied it.

I thinks it is time to shed more light on the ipoker/ongame question here.

We will continue to offer our dotcom poker product through the Ongame platform but will be launching poker for the regulated markets of Spain and Italy with Playtech. Playtech’s offering allows us more flexibility of service as they are able to provide products ring fenced for different jurisdictions.

Regards - Asko

Now that ongame has been sold ( Amaya gaming group ) can you shed any light on what betfairs will be doing. Can you confirm that it looks like your droping ongame and going back to the old software !!

will the last persin left please turn off the light.

naw let them pay for the leccy least they deserve

Sep 27, 2012 -- 6:26PM, singlecask wrote:

Now that ongame has been sold ( Amaya gaming group ) can you shed any light on what betfairs will be doing. Can you confirm that it looks like your droping ongame and going back to the old software !!

Ironically Amaya own Cryptologic who BF deserted years ago.  That software was fine but Hills BF etc all left and joined hopeless bug-ridden pish networks like ongame and ipoker.

About a month or so back AGG ( Amaya ) and Betfair signed a three year deal for AGG to provide Betfairs arcade product.Now AGG snap up Ongame for loose change...smell a plot.

shed the light Betfair !

I would take the old crypto software back in a flash.

ah the glory days

wow it really is dead on here, looking at the 'latest posts' column. WHen did the bomb go off?

Well thats Corals left Ongame and gone to Ipoker.


Next.

Will Betfair follow **** and remove the poker option ? Would explain a few things !

Follow who?

That Irish sporstbook  daq bet.. strange what the feel they have to censor

iPoker is awful but if skins like Hills, Betfair etc. move there they'll have to improve the product. Betfair will remain with Ongame as long as Bwin continues to offer the product on their site. But once Bwin moves to Party Poker there is no incentive for Betfair to remain with Ongame because there will be next to no volume which was the reason they gave up on their proprietary product to begin with.

What are the chances of Betfair moving to Party Poker with Bwin?

ye they might move to Party.

Zynga are opening up their poker on Party shortly.

Also major new software getting unveiled for Party early 2013.

This poker room will be on life support soon. The poker boom has turned into a pop and with f tilt dealing up again and as you say above even more competion for the fish.The chance is Betfair will see a fair drop in the player base. As the move to Ongame was supposed to cure betfairs problems it seems they will be right back to the problems they failed to cure ( instead seems they only killed the community spirt the site once had..well done with that ). Is the poker more hassle than it is worth ?( about 8% into coffers )some clever strategies from the management are required so with the clowns that run this farce ..it is doomed.

the graphics + tournies on betfair WERE so good

sky poker for me now--more lively

It is now time to come clean BETFAIR and tell your customers what date you will shut your poker site down on.

Trust BETFAIR lol.

Traffic on poker is still higher than back in the days where betfair was not part of any poker network, so why would the "panic" now, if they operated nicely back then ?

I believe people are making too much fuzz about ongame. Priority of betfair poker is not to become the biggest poker room nor to offer poker as their main product, they only care about recreational players and not regulars who win at poker, this is not pokerstars guys.

Can you back up your statement about the traffic .. and if it was all ok back then why the move to ongame ? and i think you will find they only care about profit not players or customers ect.

bully666

I believe people are making too much fuzz about ongame. Priority of betfair poker is not to become the biggest poker room nor to offer poker as their main product, they only care about recreational players and not regulars who win at poker, this is not pokerstars guys

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You don't make any sense.The more players they have.the more rake they take in.

Lets hope they don't end up on Ipoker.

Sent betfair an E mail today about the ghost town which is Ongame.....

Their reply ( from the poker team )... " We do not have any details about our poker network on hand ".

never mind" moving" not even working AGAIN. in a game , table freezes log out can't log in again , gets worse and worse.

Can BETFAIR confirm they are to shut down the poker in March !!

The deafening silence confirms what most of us have suspected for some time, apart from running Live Events/Pish ups, BT Poker Management have no interest in poker. I remember them discussing BWIN leaving in 2011 at them Q and A things me and Thrappers went to, and  there genuinely seemed no concern whatsoever about it, indeed many at BF seemed to think it a good thing as it would make BF a bigger player within Ongame.

They now have a situation where they are still tied to a crap network that their customers told them they didn't like, with traffic as crap as it was before they switched, and the worst Christmas Promotions I can ever remember in the time I've been playing.

At least before the BWIN exit they could say they were using a Network with traffic. Now players are sat watching tumbleweed blow past while waiting for half an hour for an STT to fill. And still no exit strategy on the horizon. They just sit on their hands watching the customers drift off to other networks. Bizzarre.

The door is that way-------------->

What about this then?

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2012/12/betfair-becomes-presenting-partner-of-2013-aussie-millions-14062.htm

and your point is !!

Why would they throw "million of dollars" to sponsor one of the biggest poker event if they dont plan to offer poker anymore?

Do you know what they paid? or is millions just a stab at it ?..end tax year.. funds left in poker budget ..no point wasting it on site..big pr splash..could have that.

In the article it states quite clearly they are using the sponsorship to promote the betting exchange. Given the legal position over there I doubt they would be promoting online poker. Do Ongame even operate in Australia, I cant recall ever seeingan Australian player on any of their leaderboards ?

You might be right there chip!

Still, this event is global and will have a lot of TV coverage.

I was obvious guessing about the amount of money, but I would be real surprised if its "pocket money".

Anyway, crossing my fingers for the best, there is no place like BF to play poker, the promotions adds tons of value!

they have an australian daily tornament,i think they want in on australian market but being a european site traffic dies for peak hrs in a aussie market in poker

2 1/2 years ago i was one of the biggest opponents to the move to Ongame, since the bad software already then was famous of big total crab.

For me Betfair is bye far the best site to play, and i will follow them anywere.

Thou i think a movement at this time would be a tactical error.

I believe that the american politicans either will make poker legal or put online poker to sleep the next many years.

If the US online poker market would be opended again, new players will arrive. Not all action will go tp Pokerstars (FT)

If Betfair moves to ipoker at this moment, they migth have the same problem in a year or two. One can only will certainty say that pokerstars and partypoker will surveive as networks if the american politicans decide to legalise online poker.


(bare with the poor grammar and spelling errors, i am a scandi)

Pity the poor people that bought in when the company was first floated but I think the shares have got a lot lower to go yet. The novelty of exchange betting has worn off, the bookies have narrowed the gap in terms of innovation, markets and promotions, poker has been a disaster and the new Beta site is horrible, but the biggest problem is Betfair have no shops. They are missing out on the "no questions answered" cash that goes through FOBTs? I could probably put £10,000 through 1 in a day without anyone blinking an eyelid, but try buying a new car from a  dealer with 10 grand in readies? WH @ 3.50 or BF @ 6.70? I know which I'd rather have.

I've gone to Stars and am posting on a forum (not 2p2) where I've improved no end.

Ongaming had some decent XMas promos but I ignored them. Betfair/ Ongaming have so many stability issues, terrible software and bad customer services I've given up. I'll be playing Stars for the foreseeable future.

And Wulfy, you were the best poker player I ever came across on the old Betfair (Pokerchamps) but things move on, I sort of decyphered that you don't play on Ongaming either.

Agree about the bookies fighting back. The margins on football have been cut right back by the High Street and once you take comission into account, especially on multiples theres no real advantage to be had on BF. I backed Walsall tonight for instance and there was no difference between prices with the books and with BF. The bookies have also become very adept at identifying and limiting bets on people arbbing.

With racing, the best price guarantees will be winning back a lot of casual punters, especially firms like b365 who regularly give out free bets and bonuses, ditto Laddies with their odds on card for regs.

The other huge advantage they have over BF is that their customer service is normally excellent by comparison. They resolve your queries much quicker, apologise whenthey are wrong, and generally compensate you. Firms like b365 and s James actually make you feel valued as a customer. BF on the other hand are a nightmare to deal with in my experience.

You reckon Ongame had some decent Xmas promos Oval ? Jeez, I must have missed them.

All I saw was that STT nonsense where the Leaderboard didnt work, and you had to send them a spreadsheet you kept yourself to eventually get paid out 50 quid, and the Xmas Cracker MTT thing, which were 1000+ runner games that ran for about 7 hours and had either $500 or $1000 added. If you take into consideration the money clawed back in entry fees, there was about 30 pence a day on average in valueback for the loyal customer prepared to sit there and play a shytefest on Christmas Eve,Christmas Day, New Years Eve, New Years Day, Boxing Day etc.

Comapred to Xmas promos in the past they were absolute bobbins. Who can remember Prize Mountain from a couple of years back where you got an X-box or a Netbook for playing about 100 games in a month ? Or Santas Sit and Go Sack thing where you got payola for winning 3 STT's in a row ? Think I got about $500 out of that little beauty.

TBF Chip any promo run by a site is there to reward the site and not the players, Betfair were over generous in the past.

The $1k added with 1000 runners wasn't bad by today's standards and much better than anything that Stars has to offer.

I've shown a lot of loyalty, they've been good to me in the past and I want Betfair to succeed. I've completed all the surveys, spoke on the forum but they've stuck 2 fingers up to me and everyone. I'm gone, I want to come back but I've no reason too.

The sticky at the top and lack of moderation where you can say whatever you want to diss the site says a lot on how much they want the poker to be part of their products.

Yeah but dont forget Oval the Ongame STT player is paying the highest entry fees on the net. You play a $20 Turbo STT and your fee is $2,even for D2N and heads up, so 10%. Most other sites charge 5-6%. We were told in the past that higher entry fee was justified because the network gave that money back to the players via promotions. So its our money they are meant to be spending.

In terms of the $1000 added Cracker game I played, the entry fee was $5.50 and there were 1200 runners. So they clawed back $600 straight away on the fees, meaning their spend was $400 across 1200 players, which works out about 20 pence per player.

Like you I wanted them to turn things around but it ain't happening. Gonna try Full Tilt for the next month or two. Probably still play a bit on here as got some leaderboard and rake money in the account, and theres a few other players I like to chat to at the tables every now and then.

Thank you for those kind words Ovalman, especilly at the moment were my poker confidence is on its lowest.

Comparing to other pokersites at Ongame or other Networks, Betfair is in my opinion the site that gives most value back to "middle and lowrollers".

The rake at HU games is ofcource to high, but if you are mainly a 6 or 10 handed STT player the rake is abouth the same as overall.

What Betfair did wrong in the past, was that they made some really nice promotions, but got little attention, due to bad managment.

Who dosent remeber the "Million dollar freeroll". The promo did cost them overall 2$ million

When the final was play in London (2009) there was only twitter coverage. So you make a 2 million promotion for the average players, and then you dont even pimp up your own final.

Pokerstars got abouth 30-70 times as many customers as Betfair. When they spend the same amount in a promotion, they get alot more action on there site, even if the value in average is very low.

So the main problem for Betfair has been bad marketing of really juice promotions.

Yeah I cant complain about the promos in the past, I got a WSOPE package from STAX promo, and WSOP package from that one in 2011. I remember when me you and entabenni used to take a 33% share of each other in MTT promos Wulfman, the good old days when there always seemed to be something happening !!

You were right. RIP Ongame.
Of course no indication of when:

"Dear xxx ,

New Betfair Poker on iPoker is about to arrive at Betfair.

Offering more players, more tables, cash games 24/7 and a greater range of tournaments - not to mention Speed Poker - New Betfair Poker will be an amazing experience.

New Betfair Poker will be the largest recreational network, and you'll be a part of it.

Watch this space – the future is just around the corner.

The New Betfair Poker team"

I wonder how the new betfair poker team differs from the old betfair poker team.

The new team are very active already, they just removed the Kunku Wap sticky that was at the top of the forum - 6 weeks after the promotion ended.

Yes !! very good news.

Ipoker traffic on the up after the recent arrival of Everest poker, this is good news.

Its had some software issues but hopefully things are improving.

http://www.pokerupdate.com/news/networks-and-rooms/betfair-announces-ipoker-migration/

Wow, by 21st january, this is gonna be a mega fast one, so for sure they had it all planned, as OP suggested.

According to that we will still have the option to play Ongame STT for another 5-6 months so a bit like the BWIN migration.

The recreational-focused player pool consists predominantly of sports and casino gamblers, and is known for its softer-than-average games.

this is a great move, well done BF.

Anyone know/hazard a guess whether we will get same cakeback on IPoker with Betfair?

pokerstein,how the fk would any of us on here know about ****,betfair management wont even know, i could give you a guess if you want,you sound a right proper tight git to me   .

cakeback*

When they moved to Ongame they clearly stated all existing deals would be honoured, though they subsequently did their best to persuade players to switch to Players Club. I would imagine they will continue to honour those cake deals for anyone still playing with them.

Be more interesting to see what they do with people currently in Players Club and those of us who already play on I-Poker using a different skin.

Be more interesting to see what they do with leaderboards when people will be able to choose where to play, ongame or ipoker, will leaderboards combine results, or what? :)

i poker has more disconnections problems than ongame

gnashersblackpool • January 8, 2013 12:19 PM GMT
i poker has much more bots than ongame

fyp

The main difference between "The old betfair poker management team" and the "New betfair poker management team" is that the
new team got lovely new BETFAIR HOODIES, and all new copies of "poker for dummies" books!

The Leaderboards haven't functioned when they have only had to cope with one lot of data and publish them daily, so no way will they cope with 2 lots. The weekly STT LB finishes at midnight on Thursday and the result isn't normally published until the following Monday as it is.

I repeatedly told them at the Q and A sessions if they cant update a Leaderboard regularly you defeat part of the objective in having them in the first place. Had I known where I was on the board last Wenesday night for instance I would have had a good incentive to play on the Thursday. As it stands I dont even look at them other than to see how much I won every Monday.

The new betfair poker team

I think some people misread this

Its not a new team of managers of betfair poker

Its New New New betfair poker team which are the same team as new betfair poker and old betfair poker

Hope you got that clear now

Ok, Betfair is going world worst pokersite, so In future me and my friends are playing poker only in FullTilt / PokerStars or new PartyPokerBwin !!
Goodbye Betfair !!!

While on the subject of Leaderboards I sent the new, new, new, poker team the following mail :

Hi

There are a number of Cypriot exchange shop logins on the current weekly STT Leaderboard e.g :

e.rois11
e.rois03
e.rois19
e.rois04
e.rois22
e.rois10
e.rois08
e.rois18
e.rois01

As these are used by multiple players during the course of each week they must surely be exempt from receiving payments under the terms and conditions, and should not be on there ?

3 more days, anyone excited?

I still wonder how will they handle promotions, will they have a joint leaderboards or what?

Dear Chipfire, I think you will find the below peeps listed below are totally different people and total coincidence that they decided on their aliases being very similar , 1 in a million chance  

There are a number of Cypriot exchange shop logins on the current weekly STT Leaderboard e.g :

e.rois11
e.rois03
e.rois19
e.rois04
e.rois22
e.rois10
e.rois08
e.rois18
e.rois01

The first mail I got back from them said we cant discuss anyones elses account with you, but we can assure you they aint dodgy. I sent one back saying I wasn't asking you to discuss their accounts, they already told me at the table the logins are used by mutiple players. I aint even bothered about them having multiple user logins cos they will all be sh1t players, I just dont think they is eligible for the Leaderboard.

They said after that they were going to investigate but nowt happened and they still on there.

Moral of the story is to set up an account for you and your friends and family to all play on. Draw up a rota if you like. The people running the site dont give a fk. My login in will be chipandallhismatessharinganaccountforleaderboardpurposes007

^^^ That comment will get pulled over the weekend (nap)