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Ok so i recently played some $3.30 and $5.50 SNG's had a major run bad, and bankroll went busto.
I did manage to make the SNG April Leaderboard for $5 and have since been playing the $0.11 Rookie SNG's.
These are super soft, and the players are awful.
I have currently played 278 games for a total buy in of $38.80
I have a ROI of +26.88 and I am currently in profit by $8.22 for a total balance of $13.22
My goal is to make $100 by playing just these games.
I am guessing it will take me 2500 games.
The road is long, but its good pratice for the $3.30's when I have the $100 :-)
I did manage to make the SNG April Leaderboard for $5 and have since been playing the $0.11 Rookie SNG's.
These are super soft, and the players are awful.
I have currently played 278 games for a total buy in of $38.80
I have a ROI of +26.88 and I am currently in profit by $8.22 for a total balance of $13.22
My goal is to make $100 by playing just these games.
I am guessing it will take me 2500 games.
The road is long, but its good pratice for the $3.30's when I have the $100 :-)
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What is the average game time?
How long will it take you to play 2500 games?
How long will it take you to play 2500 games?
Average game time is around 40 minutes I guess. Longest has been 55 minutes, I play about 10 tables at once.
so about 160 hours play time, which is about a month, based on an average of 5 hours a day.
so about 160 hours play time, which is about a month, based on an average of 5 hours a day.
Here's some sound advice - skip the 2500 games, go and get a job, any job, and forget all about poker until you have sufficent bankroll to play $10 games i.e. $800.
Surely you can find a job paying $800 a month ?
Surely you can find a job paying $800 a month ?
Bit harsh there Chip! He might already have a job and just playing these games in his leisure time. Regardless, he has set himself a target and albeit its a lot of time consumed for very little reward, I'd rather hear someone posting about trying to achieve a goal than someone crying that his AK got beat by 64os 
Bankroll management issue.
Gone bust playing $3.30 an $5.50 SNG's.
Looks like too many tables playing SNGs.
Even at $0.11 too much at a time 10 tabling. Risk of going broke again
As for getting from busto or close to $100 even Jesus Ferguson had that issue (getting to something to work within roll). Probably got bigger problems now.
My 0-10000 challenge on FTP ended when bust. Had less than $5 in there. Glad they did not have my bank details!
Big jump from $0.11 to $3.30 here - ignore the bad rake $1.20.
But even then $240 roll for $3.30 and suggest you single table until $400 before 5s. To prove profitable an less risk of going busto.
If go down then as long as happy on rookie do so and accept it - others seem to have done so.
I started at the $2.75 STTs on Old Betfair and only moved to $5.50s when roll could afford it.
No rush to get to the $11s for you. Plenty of sharks there an on $22s.
Try some freeroll tournies and if you do redeposit some MTTs too. I'll only suggest as that could be one way of rapidly increasing bankroll.
My break came when winning the first freeroll on now defunct Inside Poker Magazine. I had less than $1000 in all my poker accounts so the $250 was nice. Prize also to get tuition from Annette15 and play a £1000 winner takes all STT. (6 months later) All on Betfair and final playe in their offices. Even though I was by far playing at lower stakes than any one else. Won my chipset for busting Annette. Took down the tourney (agreed a chop first) because we wanted to eat. So my Betfair roll then had a massive increase.
Big bonus was invite to Annette's birthday party next evening. She did not have to do that. Met loads of players, loads of drinks, met John T, etc, and bought the birthday girl herself a box of chocolates.
Keep going but try not to have more than 5% of your roll at risk at anytime. May even suggest 2.5%. But as Chip indicates better still with about 80 buy-ins (1 buy-in at risk at a time) for a while to avoid drastically changing levels.
Do whatever you are happy with and good luck. And when you have a nice roll suggest you take some out and treat yourself to something non poker related.
Gone bust playing $3.30 an $5.50 SNG's.
Looks like too many tables playing SNGs.
Even at $0.11 too much at a time 10 tabling. Risk of going broke again
As for getting from busto or close to $100 even Jesus Ferguson had that issue (getting to something to work within roll). Probably got bigger problems now.
My 0-10000 challenge on FTP ended when bust. Had less than $5 in there. Glad they did not have my bank details!
Big jump from $0.11 to $3.30 here - ignore the bad rake $1.20.
But even then $240 roll for $3.30 and suggest you single table until $400 before 5s. To prove profitable an less risk of going busto.
If go down then as long as happy on rookie do so and accept it - others seem to have done so.
I started at the $2.75 STTs on Old Betfair and only moved to $5.50s when roll could afford it.
No rush to get to the $11s for you. Plenty of sharks there an on $22s.
Try some freeroll tournies and if you do redeposit some MTTs too. I'll only suggest as that could be one way of rapidly increasing bankroll.
My break came when winning the first freeroll on now defunct Inside Poker Magazine. I had less than $1000 in all my poker accounts so the $250 was nice. Prize also to get tuition from Annette15 and play a £1000 winner takes all STT. (6 months later) All on Betfair and final playe in their offices. Even though I was by far playing at lower stakes than any one else. Won my chipset for busting Annette. Took down the tourney (agreed a chop first) because we wanted to eat. So my Betfair roll then had a massive increase.
Big bonus was invite to Annette's birthday party next evening. She did not have to do that. Met loads of players, loads of drinks, met John T, etc, and bought the birthday girl herself a box of chocolates.
Keep going but try not to have more than 5% of your roll at risk at anytime. May even suggest 2.5%. But as Chip indicates better still with about 80 buy-ins (1 buy-in at risk at a time) for a while to avoid drastically changing levels.
Do whatever you are happy with and good luck. And when you have a nice roll suggest you take some out and treat yourself to something non poker related.
It may be a bit harsh JC but it's excellent advice.
Yeah the guy may already have a job, but he is talking about multitabling 3 pence stt's five hours a day for a month ! Why would any sane human being do that ?
If you are going to do something, you may as well do it properly and give yourself a chance. Go out and graft for the bankrollso that it actually means something to you, and you have a sense of its true value to you, then grind your way up through the levels.
100$ is less than 20 buy ins at $5 stakes, so he's probably gonna go busto again even if he does do the dumb 11 cents thing, and he will have pished away a month of his life.
I'm eternally grateful for the BRM advice I was given before I even played a hand of poker.Only ever had to deposit the once.
Yeah the guy may already have a job, but he is talking about multitabling 3 pence stt's five hours a day for a month ! Why would any sane human being do that ?
If you are going to do something, you may as well do it properly and give yourself a chance. Go out and graft for the bankrollso that it actually means something to you, and you have a sense of its true value to you, then grind your way up through the levels.
100$ is less than 20 buy ins at $5 stakes, so he's probably gonna go busto again even if he does do the dumb 11 cents thing, and he will have pished away a month of his life.
I'm eternally grateful for the BRM advice I was given before I even played a hand of poker.Only ever had to deposit the once.
"... but try not to have more than 5% of your roll at risk at anytime."
Absolutely essential advice. It would have saved me few quid in the middle of last year. I multi-tabling 16 STTs as normal, only to suffer a powercut and lose 25% of my roll.
Absolutely essential advice. It would have saved me few quid in the middle of last year. I multi-tabling 16 STTs as normal, only to suffer a powercut and lose 25% of my roll.
Wow, lots of activity while I was away at my job (ahem)
Chip, I actually have a job that pays £3,000 a month (~$4500)
This challenge is not about money, its results orientated.
I play on some of the bigger networks and have profits in the 6 figure mark, and have played the WSOP for the last 3 years. I am a SNG player through and through, I rarely play cash, and only really play live tournies for the experience.
Too many players are always focused on the $$$ and not the game itself, and I kind of feel sorry for people like that. I dont need this game to make me rich, or get one up over someone else. It takes great dedication to play a large volume of games in short space of time, something I doubt many can manage.
Bankroll management DOES NOT APPLY to me, I rarely have to deposit on sites, as I can usually grind out a few wins from freerolls, and then slowly climb up the stakes in SNG's. I doubt your achieving an ROI over 10% on what ever games your playing.
Now if you dont mind, jog on. Your input is not wanted or required.
You need to take a leaf out of JC's book and encourage someones goal, rather than rain on their parade. Theres a name for people like that. TROLL
Chip, I actually have a job that pays £3,000 a month (~$4500)
This challenge is not about money, its results orientated.
I play on some of the bigger networks and have profits in the 6 figure mark, and have played the WSOP for the last 3 years. I am a SNG player through and through, I rarely play cash, and only really play live tournies for the experience.
Too many players are always focused on the $$$ and not the game itself, and I kind of feel sorry for people like that. I dont need this game to make me rich, or get one up over someone else. It takes great dedication to play a large volume of games in short space of time, something I doubt many can manage.
Bankroll management DOES NOT APPLY to me, I rarely have to deposit on sites, as I can usually grind out a few wins from freerolls, and then slowly climb up the stakes in SNG's. I doubt your achieving an ROI over 10% on what ever games your playing.
Now if you dont mind, jog on. Your input is not wanted or required.
You need to take a leaf out of JC's book and encourage someones goal, rather than rain on their parade. Theres a name for people like that. TROLL
Have you a screen name to rail?
I've also done the zero to hero on a few sites. I agree with bankroll management and don't think you should be 10 tabling unless you're 5LEEPWALKER under a new username. I went broke on Stars and Full Tilt by depositing £20 and playing $5 games that I was beating here, only when I sensible bankrolled was I able to grind up a balance that I didn't have to worry about 8 tabling.
How do you keep 10 tables open and play at the same time? Have you a script running or do you just keep registering manually?
Do you use a HUD? It isn't much use in these although it gives you a had start in the game as I'm sure you encounter the same players over and over again.
Too many players are always focused on the $$$ and not the game itself
I'm confused by this statement as you sort of become a bot when you play more than 8 tables.
If you've the skillset and money behind you then you should really be doing a $100 to $1,000 or $1,000 to $10,000 imo.
Good luck in your challenge BTW, 20% is a killer for the little guys so get to $5 games ASAP imo, I'd bypass the $3.30 games as these are the worst value games on the site.
I've also done the zero to hero on a few sites. I agree with bankroll management and don't think you should be 10 tabling unless you're 5LEEPWALKER under a new username. I went broke on Stars and Full Tilt by depositing £20 and playing $5 games that I was beating here, only when I sensible bankrolled was I able to grind up a balance that I didn't have to worry about 8 tabling.
How do you keep 10 tables open and play at the same time? Have you a script running or do you just keep registering manually?
Do you use a HUD? It isn't much use in these although it gives you a had start in the game as I'm sure you encounter the same players over and over again.
Too many players are always focused on the $$$ and not the game itself
I'm confused by this statement as you sort of become a bot when you play more than 8 tables.
If you've the skillset and money behind you then you should really be doing a $100 to $1,000 or $1,000 to $10,000 imo.
Good luck in your challenge BTW, 20% is a killer for the little guys so get to $5 games ASAP imo, I'd bypass the $3.30 games as these are the worst value games on the site.
No screename to give out yet, but maybe later ;-) anyone who cares to bother will probably figure it out soon anyway.
I can do 6 tables without breaking a sweat, 10 is ok, but I dont get as many reads as I should be. I can fit 6 tables in full, and see everything, i then overlap 4 with early stage games, when it gets down to 3 players I am usually paying full attention, I then try and use nash tables against the better players, and standard shove/fold strategy from the moshman book.
I do use a HUD, and it makes a huge difference, I mainly look at vpip/prf/agg to gauge the players midset, rather than their tendancies, as multi tabling leaves little time for second guessing. for the most part I am playing ABC poker, mixed with some of the moshman strategies. As of right now, I am 316 games in, ROI +21.69 and have seen a total of 2,783 players. the most frequent player has played 20 sessions with me.
There is nothing wrong with becoming bot like, you need to distance yourself from the value of the money to a certain extent, when you've bubbled 8 games in a row it can effect you because you have lost $xxx.xx and then go on to tilt. Most people are playing above their roll and become p*ssed off when things go wrong, at 11c a game it means zero, and to some extent so would $5.
I'd say I have never been 100% confident in my ability, but thats never really bothered me. 3 years at wsop and no cash could be rough if i was banking on the money to survive. Plus to play the $100 to any sort of decent level would require a huge bankroll that I would rather spend on a trip the Vegas. This challenge is part of the process to improve my confidence and was given to me by someone trying to help me improve my game. My big wins on the ipoker network for example are over a very small sample size, and I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky
I can do 6 tables without breaking a sweat, 10 is ok, but I dont get as many reads as I should be. I can fit 6 tables in full, and see everything, i then overlap 4 with early stage games, when it gets down to 3 players I am usually paying full attention, I then try and use nash tables against the better players, and standard shove/fold strategy from the moshman book.
I do use a HUD, and it makes a huge difference, I mainly look at vpip/prf/agg to gauge the players midset, rather than their tendancies, as multi tabling leaves little time for second guessing. for the most part I am playing ABC poker, mixed with some of the moshman strategies. As of right now, I am 316 games in, ROI +21.69 and have seen a total of 2,783 players. the most frequent player has played 20 sessions with me.
There is nothing wrong with becoming bot like, you need to distance yourself from the value of the money to a certain extent, when you've bubbled 8 games in a row it can effect you because you have lost $xxx.xx and then go on to tilt. Most people are playing above their roll and become p*ssed off when things go wrong, at 11c a game it means zero, and to some extent so would $5.
I'd say I have never been 100% confident in my ability, but thats never really bothered me. 3 years at wsop and no cash could be rough if i was banking on the money to survive. Plus to play the $100 to any sort of decent level would require a huge bankroll that I would rather spend on a trip the Vegas. This challenge is part of the process to improve my confidence and was given to me by someone trying to help me improve my game. My big wins on the ipoker network for example are over a very small sample size, and I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky
and I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky
You gotta love these jokers :
Ok so i recently played some $3.30 and $5.50 SNG's had a major run bad, and bankroll went busto
I play on some of the bigger networks and have profits in the 6 figure mark
Bankroll management DOES NOT APPLY to me
And he calls me a troll.
Ok so i recently played some $3.30 and $5.50 SNG's had a major run bad, and bankroll went busto
I play on some of the bigger networks and have profits in the 6 figure mark
Bankroll management DOES NOT APPLY to me
And he calls me a troll.
Chipfire
I think you need to understand my reason for playing.
Its not to get rich and make loads of $$$
Its a hobby mostly.
I think you need to understand my reason for playing.
Its not to get rich and make loads of $$$
Its a hobby mostly.
I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky
Ok for some reason it wont let me post the bottom of that reply. I dont care what chipfire the troll thinks. first member of the blocked list ;-)
You already made 100k profits playing poker so you clearly dont need my advice.
Hey Nick is this a dig at me or gnasher ? 
No rush to get to the $11s for you. Plenty of sharks there an on $22s.
No rush to get to the $11s for you. Plenty of sharks there an on $22s.
Ok the bottom of that post was.......
I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky (Neil Channing no less anyone played more MTT's than him?)
The 11c games are 10% rake, which is kind of why I choose them over $1 or anything else. I never really understood the 20% at the $1 level. Luckily the $3 games are only 10%, and part of the moshman strategy was to play games with a better rake, even if it means playing them under rolled. I am not sure its correct, but I'm willing to give it a go. After all, Ive only got a free $5 to lose. I guess the ultimate goal is the $10 games, which i think are high enough to make a decent living from. If I could achieve a win rate of 11% ROI (realistic?) Id be making ~$20 a hour? Luckily work is felxible enough, and involves enough home time to get a good volume in. For the record I am a free-lance temporary works designer for the civl engineering indsutry, it involves mostly maths, so I have a good numbers head to play poker.
I dont care what chipfire has to say. he clearly has nothing better to do. Poor him :-(
But anyway, for the mojority of the supporters, had a bit of a bad night last night, had 6 straight losses, but started again today and 7 games, cashed 6 for buy-ins. So a much better day. current status 323 games played, $8.97 won, +25.25 ROI
I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky (Neil Channing no less anyone played more MTT's than him?)
The 11c games are 10% rake, which is kind of why I choose them over $1 or anything else. I never really understood the 20% at the $1 level. Luckily the $3 games are only 10%, and part of the moshman strategy was to play games with a better rake, even if it means playing them under rolled. I am not sure its correct, but I'm willing to give it a go. After all, Ive only got a free $5 to lose. I guess the ultimate goal is the $10 games, which i think are high enough to make a decent living from. If I could achieve a win rate of 11% ROI (realistic?) Id be making ~$20 a hour? Luckily work is felxible enough, and involves enough home time to get a good volume in. For the record I am a free-lance temporary works designer for the civl engineering indsutry, it involves mostly maths, so I have a good numbers head to play poker.
I dont care what chipfire has to say. he clearly has nothing better to do. Poor him :-(
But anyway, for the mojority of the supporters, had a bit of a bad night last night, had 6 straight losses, but started again today and 7 games, cashed 6 for buy-ins. So a much better day. current status 323 games played, $8.97 won, +25.25 ROI
surely 2500 games isn't enough games to clear 100dollar profit.
Sorry was thinking of PKR which I think is 20% rake at $3 level.
I agree 20% rake is just pure greed at micro stakes. It gives many players a negative ROI where they may be profitable elsewhere. This in turn stop them moving up and feeding players at a higher level. The site will lose out eventually as players will get fed up going round in circles and give up or move somewhere else.
Higher stakes games will happen less frequently and again these players will move to where they can get a game.
imo the lowest rake and highest VIP rewards should go to the little guys. They are the players that drive this industry. On another thread I posted that the Pokercast Podcast said that 95% (might even have been 98%) of all balances on Full Tilt were under $100.
I agree 20% rake is just pure greed at micro stakes. It gives many players a negative ROI where they may be profitable elsewhere. This in turn stop them moving up and feeding players at a higher level. The site will lose out eventually as players will get fed up going round in circles and give up or move somewhere else.
Higher stakes games will happen less frequently and again these players will move to where they can get a game.
imo the lowest rake and highest VIP rewards should go to the little guys. They are the players that drive this industry. On another thread I posted that the Pokercast Podcast said that 95% (might even have been 98%) of all balances on Full Tilt were under $100.
Dont bring common sense into the argument gnasher. We got a bloke here who has already made 100k playing poker, willing to work 160 hours to make 60 quid. There's 7 year old kids in third world countries making trainers for Nike on a better hourly rate.
By my reckoning he should have worked his way up and be donating his bankroll to us around 2024.
If we is living that long.
By my reckoning he should have worked his way up and be donating his bankroll to us around 2024.
If we is living that long.
I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky
"imo the lowest rake and highest VIP rewards should go to the little guys. They are the players that drive this industry. On another thread I posted that the Pokercast Podcast said that 95% (might even have been 98%) of all balances on Full Tilt were under $100. "
I totally agree, but it seems to be standard for 20% rake at most SNG's below $5 on a lot of sites. I honestly dont think long term profit is possible for even the best players at $1.20 a game.
"I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky"
This quote was Mr MTT himself Neil Channing, I think he was referring to live MTT's as opposed to on-line, but it rings true at the extremes, when your talking about WSOP type fields, do you think we would ever see a repeat world champion post moneymaker boom? I doubt it.
"surely 2500 games isn't enough games to clear 100dollar profit."
Im beginning to think this, but its not going to stop me. i might even go for $200 ;-)
I totally agree, but it seems to be standard for 20% rake at most SNG's below $5 on a lot of sites. I honestly dont think long term profit is possible for even the best players at $1.20 a game.
"I was told MTT's are far to swingy to ever really know if your good or just lucky"
This quote was Mr MTT himself Neil Channing, I think he was referring to live MTT's as opposed to on-line, but it rings true at the extremes, when your talking about WSOP type fields, do you think we would ever see a repeat world champion post moneymaker boom? I doubt it.
"surely 2500 games isn't enough games to clear 100dollar profit."
Im beginning to think this, but its not going to stop me. i might even go for $200 ;-)
Regarding rake, I think all rake should be fixed at 10%, then your rackback determined on how much action you give, so the busiest players get the biggest discount. I'm not referring to $$$ in action, but more about how long your logged in and playing. If you play one $100 SNG a day then log out, your worth less than someone playing $1.20's all day, at least in my opinion.
I would also like to see someone buck the trend, and maybe cap rake all together, so maybe once you have paid $50 in a day you dont pay anymore. $50 is good fee for the room, it means your sessions will be longer, making games more liquid and increase your ROI. I just dont have any idea what sort rake the average player generates in a day....
I would also like to see someone buck the trend, and maybe cap rake all together, so maybe once you have paid $50 in a day you dont pay anymore. $50 is good fee for the room, it means your sessions will be longer, making games more liquid and increase your ROI. I just dont have any idea what sort rake the average player generates in a day....
"imo the lowest rake and highest VIP rewards should go to the little guys. They are the players that drive this industry. On another thread I posted that the Pokercast Podcast said that 95% (might even have been 98%) of all balances on Full Tilt were under $100"
this time last year I played the WPT seminole hardrock showdown in Miami
On my table were Will the thrill Failla, Allen Chainsaw Kessler and a few other well known circuit pros.
On the table next to us was Will's close friend (I forget his name) who had won a big game on FTP the week previous for around $800,000 Will had told him to withdraw the lot, the day after winning.
When Will arrived at the table, he asked if the guy had got his money, he shook his head and will went mental at him. Turned out he left the money on there, played another high roller and binked it also, meaning he was stuck for about a Mill I think. Will never stopped shaking his head.
this time last year I played the WPT seminole hardrock showdown in Miami
On my table were Will the thrill Failla, Allen Chainsaw Kessler and a few other well known circuit pros.
On the table next to us was Will's close friend (I forget his name) who had won a big game on FTP the week previous for around $800,000 Will had told him to withdraw the lot, the day after winning.
When Will arrived at the table, he asked if the guy had got his money, he shook his head and will went mental at him. Turned out he left the money on there, played another high roller and binked it also, meaning he was stuck for about a Mill I think. Will never stopped shaking his head.
"Big bonus was invite to Annette's birthday party next evening"
I saw her also in Miami, but never spoke to her. She kept herself to herself. She wasnt sure if she should of worn the FTP patch or not. LOL
She always seems quite nice in interviews.
I saw her also in Miami, but never spoke to her. She kept herself to herself. She wasnt sure if she should of worn the FTP patch or not. LOL
She always seems quite nice in interviews.
Heres a pic I took of Annette, she was very early ;-)
http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii591/pokermogul/IMG_0085.jpg
Heres my ticket I send to my backers to prove my entry.
http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii591/pokermogul/IMG_0081edit.jpg
http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii591/pokermogul/IMG_0085.jpg
Heres my ticket I send to my backers to prove my entry.
http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii591/pokermogul/IMG_0081edit.jpg
PT graph
http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii591/pokermogul/PrizesWonoverTournamentsPlayed.png
http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii591/pokermogul/PrizesWonoverTournamentsPlayed.png
"You couldn't make this **** up"
you saying its a lie?
because I am willing to wager any amount of money on a public forum to prove you wrong.
balls in your court.
you saying its a lie?
because I am willing to wager any amount of money on a public forum to prove you wrong.
balls in your court.
What the bit about you winning over 100 grand playing poker, or the bit about you going bust playing $3 sit and go's ?
In fact, you know what.
I'll take the inititive,
I will wager you $1000 (or £1000) that everything I have said is true, and I will do that by;
1) posting the buy-in ticket with my name on it (not removed)
2) give you the link to my WPT profile page, showing the games I have played in
3) a photo of me being interviewed by Matt Savage (the best tourney director in the world and founder of the TDA)
4) a photo of me in the commentry booth with Mike Sexton
5) a photo of me holding $20,000 after winning a side event in Miami
6) a photo of me at the WSOP 2011 final, supporting my friend Sam Holden
7) my hendon mod page showing my live cashes
8) my betfair username so my ROI can verfied.
9) permission for the betfair rep to confirm my identity.
10) my 2+2 account, showing I have backed people in $10,000 buy in events.
Now, take the bet, or f*ck off
I'll take the inititive,
I will wager you $1000 (or £1000) that everything I have said is true, and I will do that by;
1) posting the buy-in ticket with my name on it (not removed)
2) give you the link to my WPT profile page, showing the games I have played in
3) a photo of me being interviewed by Matt Savage (the best tourney director in the world and founder of the TDA)
4) a photo of me in the commentry booth with Mike Sexton
5) a photo of me holding $20,000 after winning a side event in Miami
6) a photo of me at the WSOP 2011 final, supporting my friend Sam Holden
7) my hendon mod page showing my live cashes
8) my betfair username so my ROI can verfied.
9) permission for the betfair rep to confirm my identity.
10) my 2+2 account, showing I have backed people in $10,000 buy in events.
Now, take the bet, or f*ck off
What stats do you 'need' ?
He wont take the bet, or he will look pretty stupid
He wont take the bet, or he will look pretty stupid
Sharkscope username would help.
I'm backing you BTW but your boasts seem far fetched for your current level.
I'm backing you BTW but your boasts seem far fetched for your current level.
guys first post and hes getting heckled
me personnally i would like too see where u go with this
im sure some the posts have bits of good information
but im sure if u have won 6 figure sums on poker ur well ahwere of the pitfalls
and yes chip u do seem a bit harsh
gl sir
and keep us posted
me personnally i would like too see where u go with this
im sure some the posts have bits of good information
but im sure if u have won 6 figure sums on poker ur well ahwere of the pitfalls
and yes chip u do seem a bit harsh
gl sir
and keep us posted
I didnt go bust playing $3 sit n gos, I just lost the money I had on this site.
your not a real poker player until youve gone bust at least once ;-)
your not a real poker player until youve gone bust at least once ;-)
Well look at it like this, I will be posting all 10 of the above within a week whether he takes the bet or not. Just to prove a point.
He clearly has issues, maybe he was bullied or his parents did like him/adopted him? I dunno.
I hope he gets help, the first step is humiliation.
My 'current level' is not 11c sit n gos, Im just doing this to see if I can do it. I have rolls on other skinn and sites that are very healthy.
As for sharkscope accounts, I will post these with the 10 items above. As for now, I want to see if chip will man up and take the bet, or find some excuse not to.
I will produce the evidence within 10 minutes of him taking the bet. But it has to be for the full 1000, and someone such as you Oval would act as escrow.
I will even escrow 3000, 1000 for chip if I fail, and 2000 for a charity of his choice.
He clearly has issues, maybe he was bullied or his parents did like him/adopted him? I dunno.
I hope he gets help, the first step is humiliation.
My 'current level' is not 11c sit n gos, Im just doing this to see if I can do it. I have rolls on other skinn and sites that are very healthy.
As for sharkscope accounts, I will post these with the 10 items above. As for now, I want to see if chip will man up and take the bet, or find some excuse not to.
I will produce the evidence within 10 minutes of him taking the bet. But it has to be for the full 1000, and someone such as you Oval would act as escrow.
I will even escrow 3000, 1000 for chip if I fail, and 2000 for a charity of his choice.
Ok so i recently played some $3.30 and $5.50 SNG's had a major run bad, and bankroll went busto
I didnt go bust playing $3 sit n gos
I cant believe people are taking this horsesh1t seriously.
[x] Highstacks thread (nap)
I didnt go bust playing $3 sit n gos
I cant believe people are taking this horsesh1t seriously.
[x] Highstacks thread (nap)
Ok so i recently played some $3.30 and $5.50 SNG's had a major run bad, and bankroll went busto
I didnt go bust playing $3 sit n gos
I cant believe people are taking this horsesh1t seriously.
[x] Highstacks thread (nap)
your taking it out of context, taking the bet? or making an excuse?
I didnt go bust playing $3 sit n gos
I cant believe people are taking this horsesh1t seriously.
[x] Highstacks thread (nap)
your taking it out of context, taking the bet? or making an excuse?
your not going to take the bet, or you would of snap called by now.
you dont even need to admit your a bit of douche and might be wrong, I already know how your feeling.
So do us both a favour, F*ck off from my thread, and find someone else to annoy.
7 days from now, the evidence will be posted, and I hope your green with envy.
PS samaritans are there for you. 08457 909090
you dont even need to admit your a bit of douche and might be wrong, I already know how your feeling.
So do us both a favour, F*ck off from my thread, and find someone else to annoy.
7 days from now, the evidence will be posted, and I hope your green with envy.
PS samaritans are there for you. 08457 909090
[x] Highstacks thread (nap)
I never claimed form the beginning this was a high stakes thread, it was the exact opposite.
But now Ive offered you a high stakes bet, you go all quiet?
So what you want?
someone to love you?
a cuddle on a cold night?
a profile pic that doesnt look like an advert for a west end musical? (Im thinking "lost in the rain", a story about a lonely orphan who seeks comfort by trolling forums, it needs work, but I think a bbc tie-in with Lloyd-Webber would give it the exposure it needs)
I never claimed form the beginning this was a high stakes thread, it was the exact opposite.
But now Ive offered you a high stakes bet, you go all quiet?
So what you want?
someone to love you?
a cuddle on a cold night?
a profile pic that doesnt look like an advert for a west end musical? (Im thinking "lost in the rain", a story about a lonely orphan who seeks comfort by trolling forums, it needs work, but I think a bbc tie-in with Lloyd-Webber would give it the exposure it needs)
How the fk am I taking things out of context, when I've directly quoted you ? Why would I envy someone playing 6 pence sit n go's for 160 hours ?
You start the thread saying your bankroll went busto playing low stakes STTS.
You then state you are in profit playing poker to the tune of 100k.
Finally you state you didnt lose your bankroll, you just lost a few quid you had lying around in a Bf account.
So that's 3 completely contradictory statements. When I point this out you start going on about tournaments in Vegas, which have no bearing whatsoever on your initial statement.
I'm 100% happy to put up $1000 and play some poker against you, but I ain't doing anything until you post your BF user name.
You start the thread saying your bankroll went busto playing low stakes STTS.
You then state you are in profit playing poker to the tune of 100k.
Finally you state you didnt lose your bankroll, you just lost a few quid you had lying around in a Bf account.
So that's 3 completely contradictory statements. When I point this out you start going on about tournaments in Vegas, which have no bearing whatsoever on your initial statement.
I'm 100% happy to put up $1000 and play some poker against you, but I ain't doing anything until you post your BF user name.
LOLZ
You have taken my quotes out of context. FACT
You questioned my bankroll management, I replied to say I have a well paid job, big scores, and that I dont really give a f*ck about the money, so bankroll management is no real concern, if I go bust on all of sites, I just wait til I get paid, and start again. FACT
I lost my balance on this site playing $3 SNGs' FACT
I never said I was a better player than you, or that I would be able to beat you. You say "you cant make this sh*t up" impying that I am lying, I offer you a bet where I will produce evidence to prove I am not a liar, and instead you suggest a $1000 poker match. I clearly said above, take the bet or will you make up some excuse, your excuse is you want to play poker because you dont want to take the bet. FACT
You need help!
You have taken my quotes out of context. FACT
You questioned my bankroll management, I replied to say I have a well paid job, big scores, and that I dont really give a f*ck about the money, so bankroll management is no real concern, if I go bust on all of sites, I just wait til I get paid, and start again. FACT
I lost my balance on this site playing $3 SNGs' FACT
I never said I was a better player than you, or that I would be able to beat you. You say "you cant make this sh*t up" impying that I am lying, I offer you a bet where I will produce evidence to prove I am not a liar, and instead you suggest a $1000 poker match. I clearly said above, take the bet or will you make up some excuse, your excuse is you want to play poker because you dont want to take the bet. FACT
You need help!
I said you couldnt make this sh1t up.
That actually implies you are telling the truth i.e it isnt something you could have made up.
I haven't asked for your life history, it isn't something I'm remotely interested in. You either post your username or we all lose interest.
As for your money, if you stay on this site long enough playing STT's it's something I'm going to end up getting anyway.
That actually implies you are telling the truth i.e it isnt something you could have made up.
I haven't asked for your life history, it isn't something I'm remotely interested in. You either post your username or we all lose interest.
As for your money, if you stay on this site long enough playing STT's it's something I'm going to end up getting anyway.
LOL whatever!
The faster you lose interest the better, I dont care for your opinion at all.
As for "we" losing interest, I dont care either.
Everyone else has either been polite, offered advice or shown support.
If someone wants to follow the story, of me attempting to make it great. If they dont, fine.
I hope you do get some of my money, I always give to charity and buy the odd big issue. I hope you use my money for therapy, to find out why your so angry at everyone. I hope one day you can be happy with your life.
Just some people are incapable of letting people get on with things. Your next post will just validate this.
The faster you lose interest the better, I dont care for your opinion at all.
As for "we" losing interest, I dont care either.
Everyone else has either been polite, offered advice or shown support.
If someone wants to follow the story, of me attempting to make it great. If they dont, fine.
I hope you do get some of my money, I always give to charity and buy the odd big issue. I hope you use my money for therapy, to find out why your so angry at everyone. I hope one day you can be happy with your life.
Just some people are incapable of letting people get on with things. Your next post will just validate this.
I'm not angry, and my first 2 comments on this thread were well intentioned advice for anyone who had gone bust playing low stakes but was still wanting to play stts for a living. My good friend gnasher said something very similar, though much more succinctly. In fact almost all of the advice on this thread posted by long term winning players was related like mine to bankroll management.
You then completely changed tack, stating you were 100k in profit, didnt need to use bankroll management,boasted about your achievements, and told me to jog on. You also said you had blocked me, clearly you haven't.
You have said yourself you dont intend to use BRM and that you dont need it, but have then said you are great at maths so should be able to make a living playing poker. I'm not aware of anyone at the top level of the game who doesn't stress the importance of BRM, but hey you are so good you dont need it.
As for not caring about my opinion, at one point you were making 3 posts for every one of mine, all directed at me, so clearly you care a lot more about my opinion than I do about yours.
As for the anger....most of my comments have ended with a. Players like me need players like you.
You then completely changed tack, stating you were 100k in profit, didnt need to use bankroll management,boasted about your achievements, and told me to jog on. You also said you had blocked me, clearly you haven't.
You have said yourself you dont intend to use BRM and that you dont need it, but have then said you are great at maths so should be able to make a living playing poker. I'm not aware of anyone at the top level of the game who doesn't stress the importance of BRM, but hey you are so good you dont need it.
As for not caring about my opinion, at one point you were making 3 posts for every one of mine, all directed at me, so clearly you care a lot more about my opinion than I do about yours.
As for the anger....most of my comments have ended with a
. Players like me need players like you.
Reckon PM is in front here. The absence of 'sit on the fence' (nearly always appears to support you when you rip into someone) confirms my opinion.
He (PM) obviously doesn't know Highstacks
He (PM) obviously doesn't know Highstacks
I dont think I've "ripped into him" at all. In terms of actual abuse, if anything I've been on the receiving end.
I haven't said anything to him I wouldn't say to a friend or someone I was coaching.
The original premise is hopelessly flawed. As gnash points out it will be very difficult/nigh on impossible to achieve within the timeframe, and as I, and others have pointed out, $100 is almost certainly insufficent to bankroll another stab at 3/5.
When the OP talks about making a living from playing Stts, I suggested a minimum bankroll of $800 and having to play at least 10$ games to get anywhere near the $4500 a month he says he earns.
When I started out I was lucky enough to have people tell me in very blunt terms what was and was not achievable. One of the best bits of advice I was given when starting out was that freerolls were a complete waste of time. I also learnt a lot from people on this forum ripping my hand histories to shreds and calling me a clueless peasant stakes player.They may have been unrelentingly condescending about low stakes games and how I was playing, but the bottom line was that they were right 99% of the time, because at some point they had been there themselves.
Personally I preferred the days when the forum was full of sarcasm and vitriol,at least the people spouting it had a clue what they were talking about.If the OP had posted this stuff about being 100k in profit and not needing bankroll management at all on here 4 or 5 years ago he would have been crucified.
I haven't said anything to him I wouldn't say to a friend or someone I was coaching.
The original premise is hopelessly flawed. As gnash points out it will be very difficult/nigh on impossible to achieve within the timeframe, and as I, and others have pointed out, $100 is almost certainly insufficent to bankroll another stab at 3/5.
When the OP talks about making a living from playing Stts, I suggested a minimum bankroll of $800 and having to play at least 10$ games to get anywhere near the $4500 a month he says he earns.
When I started out I was lucky enough to have people tell me in very blunt terms what was and was not achievable. One of the best bits of advice I was given when starting out was that freerolls were a complete waste of time. I also learnt a lot from people on this forum ripping my hand histories to shreds and calling me a clueless peasant stakes player.They may have been unrelentingly condescending about low stakes games and how I was playing, but the bottom line was that they were right 99% of the time, because at some point they had been there themselves.
Personally I preferred the days when the forum was full of sarcasm and vitriol,at least the people spouting it had a clue what they were talking about.If the OP had posted this stuff about being 100k in profit and not needing bankroll management at all on here 4 or 5 years ago he would have been crucified.
There's nothing wrong with the OP challenge nor with playing freerolls but imo if money means nothing to him then he should be playing stakes where it does. With his alleged skillset and funds he should be depositing $1k and playing $10 games (still waiting on that username).
imo Money should be a main motivation for playing. I certainly play to win money and not for the ego trip.
To also add, bankroll should only count when the money means something to you. If you have the ability to redeposit then there's nothing wrong by going broke 10 tabling if you still play good poker. Bankroll can be over restrictive at times.
imo Money should be a main motivation for playing. I certainly play to win money and not for the ego trip.
To also add, bankroll should only count when the money means something to you. If you have the ability to redeposit then there's nothing wrong by going broke 10 tabling if you still play good poker. Bankroll can be over restrictive at times.
And some of the best advice I've ever been given on this forum was from people unintentionally critcising my play. There are a lot better forums out there for advice but it's been this forum where I've had my most insightful moments.
I generally steer young players starting out away from freerolls because I find them counter productive. They take too long and the play is rarely the same as it would be if players were buying in.
I dont have an issue with rookies playing a dozen or so 11 cent games to get used to the site and the software, but again wouldnt see much point in them beyond that.
Obviously in this thread the OP claims to be undertaking a rookie challenge as he has done his bankroll in playing 3/5. He wants to build up a roll of 100$ so he can play the 3 dollar games again.
However the very next day after his original post he states, among other things :
This challenge is not about money, its results orientated.
I play on some of the bigger networks and have profits in the 6 figure mark, and have played the WSOP for the last 3 years
He also states he hasn't lost his bankroll at all, and can afford to stake people for five figure sums.In fact he actually completely contradicts pretty much everything he has stated in his original post.
Clearly the thread should have been entitled " Very wealthy WSOP player decides to spend 160 hours of his life playing sixpence games so he can ridicule the awful play."
Or "thinly veiled Highstacks thread."
I dont have an issue with rookies playing a dozen or so 11 cent games to get used to the site and the software, but again wouldnt see much point in them beyond that.
Obviously in this thread the OP claims to be undertaking a rookie challenge as he has done his bankroll in playing 3/5. He wants to build up a roll of 100$ so he can play the 3 dollar games again.
However the very next day after his original post he states, among other things :
This challenge is not about money, its results orientated.
I play on some of the bigger networks and have profits in the 6 figure mark, and have played the WSOP for the last 3 years
He also states he hasn't lost his bankroll at all, and can afford to stake people for five figure sums.In fact he actually completely contradicts pretty much everything he has stated in his original post.
Clearly the thread should have been entitled " Very wealthy WSOP player decides to spend 160 hours of his life playing sixpence games so he can ridicule the awful play."
Or "thinly veiled Highstacks thread."
charly you will no doubt be gutted to learn that Thrappers has survived day one at Star City, and has just taken his seat for Day 2.
On the upside he is short stacked.
On the upside he is short stacked.
Not really Chip, in a game of poker I wish him well. Were the Q & A's are concerned I just cannot believe people can't see right through him, you rep the forum and say it as it is, he is ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY looking after number one. I suppose in this world it's probably the way forward, just not for me.
You were elected and virtually harassed into it whereas he went about it like a politician which says just about everything. He should not represent the forum/players.
You were elected and virtually harassed into it whereas he went about it like a politician which says just about everything. He should not represent the forum/players.
I have no money on the site and the reason why I don't play here. I do have enough to play these 11 cents games but in all honesty I can't be arsed or motivated to play them. There was a time when I'd have grinded up a bankroll from freerolls but now these peasent stakes don't interest me. I could always deposit £50 and play $5.50 or $11 games and redeposit if I need to should I go busto but I'm happy elsewhere playing $7 STT's at a healthy ROI.
I can't understand the motivation of the original poster. Money talks imo. I've the bankroll to play $15 games singly but I sensible bankroll and multi table 6 to 10 tables at $3.50 and $7 games. There was a time when an 11 cent game meant something to me. I used to grind freerolls into $100 and then lift out and start again.
Someone once told me a great piece of bankroll sense on this forum and it's stuck, if you can beat a certain level then you shouldn't be playing stakes that will restrict you. Keep a certain amount in your bankroll so you can stay at that level and not move down.
While I have decent bankroll sense, I've always been too restrictive. I was doing it the wrong way around.
To the original poster, play at stakes where the money means something to you and you know you can beat. There's nothing wrong with being a freeroll ****, I was once one myself and Chip is wrong when he says stay away from them. They are a great way to learn and you can build a decent bankroll from scratch but the OP says he's experienced, has money behind him and can afford a $1k deposit to play $10 games where I think he should be at.
I can't understand the motivation of the original poster. Money talks imo. I've the bankroll to play $15 games singly but I sensible bankroll and multi table 6 to 10 tables at $3.50 and $7 games. There was a time when an 11 cent game meant something to me. I used to grind freerolls into $100 and then lift out and start again.
Someone once told me a great piece of bankroll sense on this forum and it's stuck, if you can beat a certain level then you shouldn't be playing stakes that will restrict you. Keep a certain amount in your bankroll so you can stay at that level and not move down.
While I have decent bankroll sense, I've always been too restrictive. I was doing it the wrong way around.
To the original poster, play at stakes where the money means something to you and you know you can beat. There's nothing wrong with being a freeroll ****, I was once one myself and Chip is wrong when he says stay away from them. They are a great way to learn and you can build a decent bankroll from scratch but the OP says he's experienced, has money behind him and can afford a $1k deposit to play $10 games where I think he should be at.
I think I'll make that my last post on this forum, used to enjoy reading it back in the day (Highstacks/Mavis/Mandylou/Chilin/JPJ/etc) even the songbird but like I said on another post, I never did get to a Duffs homie and I think when that died so did this forum.
I learnt loads from Mavis, bumped into him in a 50$ D2N on Stars about 18 months ago. Still making the game pay I believe.
I rather hoped Chillin would be shacked up with some EMO chick by now and knocking out lil Chillins.
As for the sh1t-stirrer general, his footie team doing a lot better than Highstacks lot.
I rather hoped Chillin would be shacked up with some EMO chick by now and knocking out lil Chillins.
As for the sh1t-stirrer general, his footie team doing a lot better than Highstacks lot
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Chilin has an excellent thread on 2P2 (when it goes back online), he made over $100k last year and really made the grade. Something a lot of us low stakers can aspire too. Chilin has went from being a freeroller and low stakes donk like myself and Chip to a very decent player. The thing about his thread is he answers everyone's questions, he's not scared to shy away from any q's and he talks about his game openly. He even told someone how to post a picture on 2P2. We need more posters like Chilin TBH.
It's good to see some actual poker threads like this one on the forum. Everyone has an opinion, it may not be right but you'll never know unless you express it.
It's good to see some actual poker threads like this one on the forum. Everyone has an opinion, it may not be right but you'll never know unless you express it.
Thing was in the old days people on here just said what they thought and weren't worried about the consequences. Okay it led to a few calls to the police, but at least it was entertaining and informative.If you popped your head over the parapet and said you were a five dollar stt player you were labelled a peasant and a tramp and told to go and work in Macdonalds. I certainly dont ever recall saying to punterz " Oh thats a horrible, mean thing to say " you just laughed it off and got on with it.
Chillin took a lot of flak on here, he also got some respect for giving a bit back, and was lucky that Dubai kind of took him under his wing.
God knows when we all got so precious on here, and stopped taking the p1ss out of ourselves and each other. Simply suggesting someone go and get a job and build a bankroll sets people away onto their high horses in search of the moral high ground.Waht the Florida Four would make of it all I can only imagine.
Chillin took a lot of flak on here, he also got some respect for giving a bit back, and was lucky that Dubai kind of took him under his wing.
God knows when we all got so precious on here, and stopped taking the p1ss out of ourselves and each other. Simply suggesting someone go and get a job and build a bankroll sets people away onto their high horses in search of the moral high ground.Waht the Florida Four would make of it all I can only imagine.
chip/gnash - no dig at you at all.
just trying to give some advice as we all were
I agree MTTs are swingy - even when going well the site can crash on you as yesterday (though looks like my payouts are in).
As for bankroll management advice if you want to ignore it do so. But it was OP that said busto.
If you are 6 figures up elsewhere then you should be oK at 3.30 and 5.50 if proper bankroll with tables playing. Otherwise how did you get 6 figures?
Good challenge at 0.11 if that's what you want to do - but do not knock how soft it is.
If you are serious at this post your figures on a regular basis and also post some hand histories for advice. Suspect with use of HUD and numbers of tables you are missing things. I know I do, and I do not use any HUD/software.
just trying to give some advice as we all were
I agree MTTs are swingy - even when going well the site can crash on you as yesterday (though looks like my payouts are in).
As for bankroll management advice if you want to ignore it do so. But it was OP that said busto.
If you are 6 figures up elsewhere then you should be oK at 3.30 and 5.50 if proper bankroll with tables playing. Otherwise how did you get 6 figures?
Good challenge at 0.11 if that's what you want to do - but do not knock how soft it is.
If you are serious at this post your figures on a regular basis and also post some hand histories for advice. Suspect with use of HUD and numbers of tables you are missing things. I know I do, and I do not use any HUD/software.
I started 5 years ago with £500 in my bankroll, money I'd grafted for doing overtime in the **** job I was in at the time.
As has been said, the money meant something to me back then, so while I was prepared to lose it, I deffo wasn't going to do so without giving it a good shot.
Started off playing $5 stts, got the roll up to a grand, moved up to 10$, then 20$, then $25. Highest I went was $60 but had a power cut one night and lost 5 buy ins, then another one a few days later and lost another 4. Decided I didnt like losing the best part of 400 quid due to the incompetence of NEDL, and moved backdown a couple of levels.
I consider myself a recreational player, never had any desire to play poker for a living, think I would hate it. It's something I do in my spare time.
I'm about £30 grand in front over the five years,which is tax free income, and as I play at a level I know I can beat, I expect to carry on making profit for as long as I choose to play.
I dont claim to be a great player, but I don't need to be, I just need to be better than the people I'm playing against. It baffles me when people say they cant make the game pay, but then they show me their Scope graphs or hand histories and it becomes pretty apparent why they keep going bust.
As has been said, the money meant something to me back then, so while I was prepared to lose it, I deffo wasn't going to do so without giving it a good shot.
Started off playing $5 stts, got the roll up to a grand, moved up to 10$, then 20$, then $25. Highest I went was $60 but had a power cut one night and lost 5 buy ins, then another one a few days later and lost another 4. Decided I didnt like losing the best part of 400 quid due to the incompetence of NEDL, and moved backdown a couple of levels.
I consider myself a recreational player, never had any desire to play poker for a living, think I would hate it. It's something I do in my spare time.
I'm about £30 grand in front over the five years,which is tax free income, and as I play at a level I know I can beat, I expect to carry on making profit for as long as I choose to play.
I dont claim to be a great player, but I don't need to be, I just need to be better than the people I'm playing against. It baffles me when people say they cant make the game pay, but then they show me their Scope graphs or hand histories and it becomes pretty apparent why they keep going bust.
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