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Holding AJ, $20 5 Seater, early stages, no notes on opponents :
TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-215212163-4
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2012-02-08 12:09 until 2012-02-08 12:11
Seat 1: PaSsOLiiNo (1,760 in chips)
Seat 3: padon4 (1,395 in chips)
Seat 4: chipfire227 (1,350 in chips)
Seat 6: sadabada (1,245 in chips)
Seat 8: eusuntbun11 (1,750 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
chipfire227 posts small blind (10), sadabada posts big blind (20),
PRE-FLOP
eusuntbun11 folds, PaSsOLiiNo folds, padon4 raises to 80, chipfire227 calls 80, sadabada calls 80.
FLOP [board cards: JD,JC,5C ]
chipfire227 checks, sadabada checks, padon4 bets 125, chipfire227 calls 125, sadabada calls 125.
TURN [board cards: JD,JC,5C,TH ]
chipfire227 checks, sadabada checks, padon4 bets 465, chipfire227 calls 465, sadabada calls 465.
RIVER [board cards: JD,JC,5C,TH,9D ]
chipfire227 bets 680 and is all-in, PLAYER_USED_TIME_BANK
, sadabada folds, padon4 calls 680.
TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-215212163-4
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2012-02-08 12:09 until 2012-02-08 12:11
Seat 1: PaSsOLiiNo (1,760 in chips)
Seat 3: padon4 (1,395 in chips)
Seat 4: chipfire227 (1,350 in chips)
Seat 6: sadabada (1,245 in chips)
Seat 8: eusuntbun11 (1,750 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
chipfire227 posts small blind (10), sadabada posts big blind (20),
PRE-FLOP
eusuntbun11 folds, PaSsOLiiNo folds, padon4 raises to 80, chipfire227 calls 80, sadabada calls 80.
FLOP [board cards: JD,JC,5C ]
chipfire227 checks, sadabada checks, padon4 bets 125, chipfire227 calls 125, sadabada calls 125.
TURN [board cards: JD,JC,5C,TH ]
chipfire227 checks, sadabada checks, padon4 bets 465, chipfire227 calls 465, sadabada calls 465.
RIVER [board cards: JD,JC,5C,TH,9D ]
chipfire227 bets 680 and is all-in, PLAYER_USED_TIME_BANK
, sadabada folds, padon4 calls 680.
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The flat call on the flop is fine imo, but when the turn comes, the board is draw heavy and you have to shove here. I dont know why your flatting especially when you've got 2 players coming along for the ride
id b re raising turn as well,esp as almost half yer chips are already in middle.
but im not passing river either as played.
but im not passing river either as played.
Jeez sorry fellas, I HAVEN'T GOT AJ , I'm well capable of folding AJ, to be honest I fold AJ pre flop from the small blind 100 times out of 100 in that spot.
THE OPPO IS THE ONE WITH AJ. I posted it straight after the game, before dashing off to do some voluntary work, but it struck me at the time he could really have got away from that hand a lot cheaper. I put him on AA after the flop bet, but sussed he had AJ, after the turn.
The other guy Im assuming had a horrendously played flush draw.
SHOWDOWN
chipfire227 shows [ 5S,5H ]
padon4 mucks cards [ JS,AH ]
chipfire227 wins 3,370.
From what's been said, sounds like he played the hand better than I initially thought.
THE OPPO IS THE ONE WITH AJ. I posted it straight after the game, before dashing off to do some voluntary work, but it struck me at the time he could really have got away from that hand a lot cheaper. I put him on AA after the flop bet, but sussed he had AJ, after the turn.
The other guy Im assuming had a horrendously played flush draw.
SHOWDOWN
chipfire227 shows [ 5S,5H ]
padon4 mucks cards [ JS,AH ]
chipfire227 wins 3,370.
From what's been said, sounds like he played the hand better than I initially thought.
If you fold AJ pre flop then fine, but how many ppl are gonna fold AJ post flop, turn and river? Not many at all. I mean the flop is beautiful, turn is fine, its only the river what can slow the action but by that point hes commited anyway, he's just unlucky to come up against a flopped FH. Just a question Chip, would you have folded if the river was an Ace?, and be totally honest 
I certainly wouldn't have shoved if the river had come as an ace, I would have checked, and prayed he did likewise.
If he shoves the river after my check then it's costing me 680 to call into a pot of 2690. Getting 4/1 for my money its almost impossible for me to fold as he only has to have a hand like KJ, KQ suited, or a busted draw, once every 4 hands for it to be ev+ calling.
On the turn he bets 425 into a pot of 615, which at the time I thought was wrong, but it actually isnt as bad as I thought. If I call his turn bet obviously the flush draw is priced in too. The only drawback is that if the flush draw completes on the river, you have to wonder if, like you say, he is pot committed.
If he is pot committed, then surely he should have bet more on the turn ?
If he shoves the river after my check then it's costing me 680 to call into a pot of 2690. Getting 4/1 for my money its almost impossible for me to fold as he only has to have a hand like KJ, KQ suited, or a busted draw, once every 4 hands for it to be ev+ calling.
On the turn he bets 425 into a pot of 615, which at the time I thought was wrong, but it actually isnt as bad as I thought. If I call his turn bet obviously the flush draw is priced in too. The only drawback is that if the flush draw completes on the river, you have to wonder if, like you say, he is pot committed.
If he is pot committed, then surely he should have bet more on the turn ?
If he bets more on the turn, theres the possibility of you folding a drawing hand and he will ultimately lose a lot of value so to me, his bet of nearly 3/4 the pot was spot on.
Yeah agree against one opponent, just wondering if you should bet more there against 2 opponents ?
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