Utterly contrived garbbage

the 4 flopped fullhouses were in the last 8 hands mugsville.

they followed this flopped quads.


Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to manxy_x: [4h, Ts]
wildsantiago folds
manxy_x folds
LUCASPORTOX folds
corvo95 calls 20
anikanos raises 90 to 100
Adrian_01 calls 80
corvo95 calls 80
--- Dealing flop [Ad, 8h, 8c]
anikanos checks
Adrian_01 checks
corvo95 checks
--- Dealing turn [Jh]
anikanos bets 40
Adrian_01 calls 40
corvo95 raises 80 to 80
anikanos calls 40
Adrian_01 raises 85 to 125
corvo95 calls 45
anikanos calls 45
--- Dealing river [As]
anikanos checks
Adrian_01 bets 1775 [all in]
corvo95 folds
anikanos folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: 675 won by Adrian_01 (675)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 2: LUCASPORTOX (2000)
Seat 3: corvo95 (1775), net: -225
Seat 4: anikanos (1775), net: -225
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (2450), net: +450, [8s, 8d] (FOUR_OF_A_KIND EIGHT)
Seat 7: wildsantiago (2000)
Seat 9: manxy_x (2000)
***** End of hand T5-208688445-1 *****
***** History for hand T5-208688445-2 (TOURNAMENT: "$1,000 NL Holdem SH", R-457-939, buy-in: $2.25) *****
Start hand: Tue Jan 17 23:06:50 GMT 2012
Table: Table #52 [208688445] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 10/20, Chips)


Utterly contrived garbbage.

Was it a misclick when you folded 2 suited cards ( Q6 ) pre flop ?

i didnt play a hand first round of 20/10.

i planned to see some cheap flops after i doubled thru.
until then tight, then i got my thru so tight ultra aggressive when flop hits.

my double thru.

Start hand: Tue Jan 17 23:22:54 GMT 2012
Table: Table #52 [208688445] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 15/30, Chips)
User: manxy_x
Button: seat 6
Players in round: 6
Seat 3: corvo95 (3715)
Seat 4: anikanos (2065)
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (3050)
Seat 7: wildsantiago (1495)
Seat 9: manxy_x (1735)
Seat 10: hopeavalo (1890)
wildsantiago posts small blind (15)
manxy_x posts big blind (30)
---
Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to manxy_x: [9s, Ah]
hopeavalo folds
corvo95 raises 60 to 60
anikanos folds
Adrian_01 folds
wildsantiago calls 45
manxy_x calls 30
--- Dealing flop [6s, 9d, As]
wildsantiago checks
manxy_x checks
corvo95 bets 180
wildsantiago folds
manxy_x raises 360 to 360
corvo95 raises 360 to 540
manxy_x raises 1315 to 1675 [all in]
corvo95 calls 1135
--- Dealing turn [3h]
--- Dealing river [Ts]
---
Summary:
Main pot: 3530 won by manxy_x (3530)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 3: corvo95 (1980), net: -1735, [8s, Ac] (PAIR ACE)
Seat 4: anikanos (2065)
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (3050)
Seat 7: wildsantiago (1435), net: -60
Seat 9: manxy_x (3530), net: +1795, [9s, Ah] (TWO_PAIR ACE, NINE)
Seat 10: hopeavalo (1890)
***** End of hand T5-208688445-21 *****





2 hands later i take the rest of his stack.

***** History for hand T5-208688445-24 (TOURNAMENT: "$1,000 NL Holdem SH", R-457-939, buy-in: $2.25) *****
Start hand: Tue Jan 17 23:25:08 GMT 2012
Table: Table #52 [208688445] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 15/30, Chips)
User: manxy_x
Button: seat 10
Players in round: 6
Seat 3: corvo95 (1200)
Seat 4: anikanos (2065)
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (3050)
Seat 7: wildsantiago (1435)
Seat 9: manxy_x (3500)
Seat 10: hopeavalo (2700)
corvo95 posts small blind (15)
anikanos posts big blind (30)
---
Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to manxy_x: [Ad, Tc]
Adrian_01 folds
wildsantiago calls 30
manxy_x calls 30
hopeavalo folds
corvo95 raises 45 to 60
anikanos folds
wildsantiago calls 30
manxy_x calls 30
--- Dealing flop [7d, 8c, Ts]
corvo95 checks
wildsantiago bets 100
manxy_x calls 100
corvo95 calls 100
--- Dealing turn [Ac]
corvo95 checks
wildsantiago checks
manxy_x bets 510
corvo95 raises 1040 to 1040 [all in]
wildsantiago folds
manxy_x calls 530
--- Dealing river [2s]
---
Summary:
Main pot: 2590 won by manxy_x (2590)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 3: corvo95 (0), net: -1200, [Ah, 3d] (PAIR ACE)
Seat 4: anikanos (2035), net: -30
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (3050)
Seat 7: wildsantiago (1275), net: -160
Seat 9: manxy_x (4890), net: +1390, [Ad, Tc] (TWO_PAIR ACE, TEN)
Seat 10: hopeavalo (2700)
***** End of hand T5-208688445-24 *****



then i get a cheap look at 2 cards below my range.



***** History for hand T5-208688445-41 (TOURNAMENT: "$1,000 NL Holdem SH", R-457-939, buy-in: $2.25) *****
Start hand: Tue Jan 17 23:34:35 GMT 2012
Table: Table #52 [208688445] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 25/50, Chips)
User: manxy_x
Button: seat 9
Players in round: 6
Seat 3: praiadefaro (3585)
Seat 4: anikanos (2785)
Seat 5: siesopillas (3380)
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (3975)
Seat 9: manxy_x (4640)
Seat 10: hopeavalo (1800)
hopeavalo posts small blind (25)
praiadefaro posts big blind (50)
---
Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to manxy_x: [Jc, As]
anikanos calls 50
siesopillas folds
Adrian_01 calls 50
manxy_x calls 50
hopeavalo folds
praiadefaro checks
--- Dealing flop [Kh, 8s, Qd]
praiadefaro checks
anikanos checks
Adrian_01 checks
manxy_x checks
--- Dealing turn [Jh]
praiadefaro checks
anikanos bets 50
Adrian_01 folds
manxy_x calls 50
praiadefaro calls 50
--- Dealing river [Ad]
praiadefaro checks
anikanos checks
manxy_x bets 200
praiadefaro folds
anikanos folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: 375 won by manxy_x (375)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 3: praiadefaro (3485), net: -100
Seat 4: anikanos (2685), net: -100
Seat 5: siesopillas (3380)
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (3925), net: -50
Seat 9: manxy_x (4915), net: +275
Seat 10: hopeavalo (1775), net: -25



next i get gutted by a mug call from pocket 4s.


Start hand: Tue Jan 17 23:36:35 GMT 2012
Table: Table #52 [208688445] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 40/80, Chips)
User: manxy_x
Button: seat 4
Players in round: 6
Seat 3: praiadefaro (3445)
Seat 4: anikanos (3045)
Seat 5: siesopillas (3300)
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (3565)
Seat 9: manxy_x (4915)
Seat 10: hopeavalo (1895)
siesopillas posts small blind (40)
Adrian_01 posts big blind (80)
---
Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to manxy_x: [Ah, Kd]
manxy_x calls 80
hopeavalo raises 320 to 320
praiadefaro folds
anikanos folds
siesopillas folds
Adrian_01 folds
manxy_x raises 4835 to 4915 [all in]
hopeavalo calls 1575 [all in]
--- Dealing flop [Ts, 5c, Th]
--- Dealing turn [6s]
--- Dealing river [Js]
---
Summary:
Main pot: 3910 won by hopeavalo (3910)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 3: praiadefaro (3445)
Seat 4: anikanos (3045)
Seat 5: siesopillas (3260), net: -40
Seat 6: Adrian_01 (3485), net: -80
Seat 9: manxy_x (3020), net: -1895, [Ah, Kd] (PAIR TEN)
Seat 10: hopeavalo (3910), net: +2015, [4s, 4h] (TWO_PAIR TEN, FOUR)
***** End of hand T5-208688445-44 *****
***** History for hand T5-208688445-45 (TOURNAMENT: "$1,000 NL Holdem SH", R-457-939, buy-in: $2.25) *****



then emptied out against the hand in the op.

It's not just the site thats garbbage (sic)though is it ?

You are playing $2 MTTS (very badly) against bad players, in what is essentially a shytefest,and a donk laden shytefest at that, then moaning when you lose with ak against 44, or with k 10 vs jj.

If some of you learnt how to fold pre, you wouldn't see so many flops to whine about.

My advice: go read a few books.

HTH.

i was simply cheaply testing the site.

i did the same with several sit n gos.


pm me f you want to scope my crypto days on here, i will give you m player name.
i played mainly 100 dollar SnGs.
93 rating and 30 percent plus ROI.


i played one table a time for fun, then every update just juiced the game more and more, so i kicked it into touch, now i play one home game a week [fri] and one 50 entry casino tourney a week [mon].


i couldnt care tuppence for your thoughts about juicing, i know it is totally contrived,and will not get another cent from me.

faining weakness and trapping is an integral part of my play, just doesnt work online any more, you rarely have the true equity you believe you have.



i started looking at online poker again after many years, because i read a carbon poker rep spouting off on 2plus2,

so i downloaded it and tested it.

over a series of random tables on random days over a month, i counted communty card aces


i spreadheeted the results, i counted 130 community cards per table, starting from when i opened it.

i did that 100 times, that was 100 rows of 130 cards, expressed as N for no ace or Y for an ace.

out of that 100 rows of 130 cards, only 27 had 10 aces or less in them, 73 had 11 or more aces in them.

thats an ace every 8.03 cards hit the board instead of the random 1 in 13.

also a flushed flop happened once ever 8 flops on average instead of 1 in 20 as random flops would.

your reassurance or scorn matters not one jot to me, theyve made a mockery out of the game, and more fool anyone who wants to graft multi table washers, out of the contrived garbbage now served up.

Off you trot then...close the door on your way out.

indeed that is my planned modus opeandi.

An educated conspiracy theorist...this I like.


Q. Define jucing
Q. What are the main benefits of jucing?


Thanks

Not a single day goes by where the online poker forums do not come under bombardment by some new conspiracy theory, or just a new version of an old conspiracy. In this article I will explain three of the most popular conspiracy theories and look at the veracity of each claim.

Online poker conspiracy #1: The online poker sites use “house” players or poker bots.

Summary: The basic premise of the “house player/poker bot” accusation is that the poker sites employ either real players, or use poker bots, who have some type of built-in advantage over the other players: Knowledge of other players’ hole cards, knowledge of the upcoming cards, or something along those lines. These players/bots are then planted at tables to fleece the legitimate players.

Fact or Fiction: This is one of the most common allegations, and the reason so many players can make this assertion is because it is impossible to prove or disprove without the online poker sites agreeing to some form of full audit of their hand histories. So, the jury is completely out on this one; most Poker Pros and people in the industry discount this possibility, but there is no proof either way.

Verdict: Unknown

Online poker conspiracy #2: The online poker sites “juice” the flops to create more action.

Summary: People alleging “juiced” flops believe the sites tinker with the flop texture to insure that multiple players make strong hands. The theory is that if there is a lot of action the rake will be higher, which leads to more income for the online poker site.

Fact or Fiction: This is one of the easier conspiracies to debunk, since the flop cards are completely known -unlike hole cards which often remain hidden. Therefore, many players have been able to look at large samples of flops and have found that each card is just as likely to appear as any other, as well as the lack of “action flops”.

Verdict: Total Fiction

Online poker conspiracy #3: The online poker sites skew the odds to allow bad players to win more often than they should.

Summary: Players making this claim feel that the online poker sites reward bad play. They feel that the odds do not add up: Inside straights hit too often, under-pairs beat over-pairs too often, and so on. The theory is that by having bad plays rewarded ever so slightly more than they should be; bad players will keep their money longer -which leads to more players, which leads to more games, which leads to more rake.

Fact or Fiction: This is another area where many players have done a lot of research with large samples of hands, and have found nothing out of the ordinary. However, even a very slight skewing of the odds can achieve the objective outlined, and although this is another conspiracy that is roundly rejected by most players, it cannot be ruled out entirely without a full audit, since the information can be found in hidden hole cards.

Verdict: Most Likely Fiction

would either of you like to play 20 pounds a point with me.

for every 130 community cards per table, which you can choose on carbon [merge network],
i will pay you 20 ponds for every ace under 10 in the sequence of 130 community cards,
you how ever only have to pay me 16 pounds for ever ace over 10 in the 130 community
card sequence, even with a 20 percent advantage, how much would either of you be prepared to lose before you admitted they are ace heavy boards, and about as random as the days of the week.

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troll my arse.

those HHs are real, my scope history from my crypto days are real, and anyone can prove or make a liar out of my merge claims by simply doing those basic live tests.


if the game has been tainted like that, then why trust they just stopped there.

run a mile from the contrived garbbage.

4 flopped fullhouses and 1 flopped quads in 23 hands, yeah righto, just variance, nothing to see here move along, 100 random tables on random days at ranom times, and an ace every 8 cards and a flushed flop every 8 flops, just variance move along.

Missed out on some fun here!

Manxy,

This is a small forum i would take this indisputable evidence to a larger forum like 2+2 or Blonde so more people can laugh at you!

hth.

this open offer still stands.


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would either of you like to play 20 pounds a point with me.

for every 130 community cards per table, which you can choose on carbon [merge network],
i will pay you 20 ponds for every ace under 10 in the sequence of 130 community cards,
you how ever only have to pay me 16 pounds for ever ace over 10 in the 130 community
card sequence, even with a 20 percent advantage, how much would either of you be prepared to lose before you admitted they are ace heavy boards, and about as random as the days of the week.






i would recommend due diligence, before accepting.

this open offer still stands.


manxy
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would either of you like to play 20 pounds a point with me.

for every 130 community cards per table, which you can choose on carbon [merge network],
i will pay you 20 ponds for every ace under 10 in the sequence of 130 community cards,
you how ever only have to pay me 16 pounds for ever ace over 10 in the 130 community
card sequence, even with a 20 percent advantage, how much would either of you be prepared to lose before you admitted they are ace heavy boards, and about as random as the days of the week.






i would recommend due diligence, before accepting.

yawn
these threads are very 2010

there is only one b in garbage

im sure u will be shown the tests fom millions of stats that say otherwise
but just to confirm u got ur stack with playing AJ A9 AT
never got sucked out on a7 vs 8888 oop
and never win with q6 oop
u then gamble AK VS 44 fk
then ur finaly was i got sucked out with k 10 vs jj
look at this flop QQJ u went all in here on a gamble yet a gain with k 10 so straight and flush draw
and think u got hard done by
u said earlier u like too slow play or hide ur hand so do other players

this first post annoyed me from the beggining with the K T SUCKOUT STORY

no your wrong, but ofcourse you know that.

i planned to sit tight, and see a few cheap flops, set mine etc.
i wanted to get into top 20 quickly, first opportunity to see a cheap flop was with ace 9, i was big blind, i called a 30 raise into 150 pot, a raise from a player ho raised into every hand double the bb.

i spiked 2 pair, he bet the pot, i raised him, at this point i was only worried about the flush draw, couldnt see him having trips, when he re-raised me again i knew he had spiked the ace, you only had to have watched his play to know, that gave me a stack to look at a few more cheap flops hence a cheap look at the flop with ace 10, same muppit same scenario.


my AK reraise allin was to take the pot down there and then, he had only put in about 15 percent of his stack, i would of been folding to the table rocks all in, there again i wouldnt of been raising in with pocket 4s, not when there was a 42 percent chance of another pocket pair being dealt out.

i also was in 32nd position after my second double thru, i wanted a call on the ak, had i of won, i would have just sat nd played primo paper to stay in top 20.

Manxy yr a bad player, playing 2 buck donkfests against some of the worst poker players on the entire planet, losing, and blaming God knows what. Any credibility you may think you have, went when you posted the very first hand in this thread.

The hands you have posted are idiots playing bingo. All they prove is that the world is full of donks.

Seriously, take what tiny shreds of dignity you have left, and quit while you are behind.

if i thought for one second that i would get a random deal here, like the early days with crypto, i would be insta challenging you to 100 dollar heads up, as many as you wanted,

if your ever coming to the isle of man let me know.

Do you save hand histories?

i dont play online, i just tested this network here, at our home game we hav an employee of stars, his job title is interpreter, he spends the majority of his day countering bad talk on the net about stars, 30k plus a year, just to defend stars rep on internet forums, and he is only one of several, he staunchly defended the whole industry, now he is wise enough to only defend his employers.

f your ever coming to the isle of man let me know

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chipfire227             Games Played  3,804    Av. Profit $1      Av. Stake $15      Av. ROI 5%    Total Profit $2,297  Ability /100 70    Ongame    SNG Only Betfair
   
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lol at chipfire, keep grafting you dollar or 2 an hour.

pm me for myusernae to double check my earl crypto stats.

Here are my actual stats for this site.

chipfire227    3,897    $2      $15      5%    $8,177      -    74    Ongame

And the old Betfair :

chipfire227             8,241    $1      $16      6%    $9,684      -    73    Betfair

Thats profit BEFORE rakeback, leaderbaords, promos, etc, and the Betfair stats dont include MTT's. None of which prove anything of course, other thanthat I've clearly seen a lot more hands of poker than you have.

he is a funny littleman alright 70 ability rating 3,800 games to make 2k about 55c a game, and telling me to read a few books after 28 years of live play.

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Here are my actual stats for this site.

chipfire227    3,897    $2      $15      5%    $8,177      -    74    Ongame

And the old Betfair :

chipfire227             8,241    $1      $16      6%    $9,684      -    73    Betfair

Thats profit BEFORE rakeback, leaderbaords, promos, etc, and the Betfair stats dont include MTT's. None of which prove anything of course, other thanthat I've clearly seen a lot more hands of poker than you have. Wink





so basically it all adds up to a dollar a game profit, so you 6 table for 6 bucks an hour, must be very enjoyable.

Maths clearly not your strong suit.

I work in a proper job for a living. I make about 6 grand a year tax free playing a bit of poker in my spare time. I'm not Phil Ivey, but I have 6 winning accounts across 6 different networks, all at the expense of players who blame everything but their own bad play when they lose.

Everyone on this thread has took the pish out of you old timer. I've actually tried to give you some sound advice. If you dont want it, then fair enough.

Bigger sample sizes and I'm really having issues trying to understand your analysis.
And going back to your original post why the overbet with that flop and also when you made it are you really expecting a fold from someone flopping a boat?

And what was the buy in for this particular tournament?

Looking at his Betfair stats on Scope, my guess would be a 2$ rebuy.

Of course, don't forget, he was only testing the site cheaply because he normally plays $100 STTS.

Which is a bit like going to a garage and getting a second hand Clio on finance, with a view to coming back the following week to buy a Ferrari.

Then backing out of the Ferrari deal, because the P reg clio wont do 0-60 in 6 seconds.

And calling everyone who works in the gagrage a c***.

chipfire when someone with a better ability rating than me posts in this thread, then i will listen to them.

Your ability rating on Ongame is 50.

I suspect everyone on this thread is above that.

Even Thrappers.

and this offer still stands, if as you say no sites or networks are juiced, then its a license for you to print money.

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would either of you like to play 20 pounds a point with me.

for every 130 community cards per table, which you can choose on carbon [merge network],
i will pay you 20 ponds for every ace under 10 in the sequence of 130 community cards,
you how ever only have to pay me 16 pounds for ever ace over 10 in the 130 community
card sequence, even with a 20 percent advantage, how much would either of you be prepared to lose before you admitted they are ace heavy boards, and about as random as the days of the week.

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Your ability rating on Ongame is 50.

I suspect everyone on this thread is above that.

Even Thrappers. Laugh


aye one tourney later, this is not my crypto account name the join date is a clue.
i have told you to pm me if you wantto check my online history,

Jesus Wept.

You have posted hand histories with your user name on them so we can all see your stats, and we can see your play from the evidence you yourself have provided. You could PM me punterz stats for all I care, it changes nothing.

Your play is dreadful, your spelling is awful, you can't manage even basic maths, and you seem to expect people who have seen hundreds of thousands of hands of online poker, to take your word for it that everything is juiced, on the basis of two dozen micro stakes tournies.

All because you played badly in  2 dollar rebuy.

I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced. I've seen hundreds of flops today, every last one of them as dull as ditchwater. Then again I'm capable of folding king ten suited, and ace nine.

Love the OPR stats - not that I would post them.
Looks like the $100 is running out quickly and best stick to live. Maybe good to start alternative card options. As you appear to be into card-counting try black jack?

i know i was bored and reading this forum last night so i downloaded the bf poker client, then entered the next tourney that was not a turbo, it was eleven oclock.

i think i tested the cheap sit n goes, 3 or 4 of them months ago playing a different strategy each time, i think it was this account, maybe not, if not i have only played that one tourney, the poker clien is now uninstalled.


i dont really criticise someone who can turn 10BBs plus per 100 hands profit live turning to online, paying what is essentially a tax by accepting that the juice / equity levelling deals, that  mean more losses, however multi-tabling and skimming just 2 or 3 BBs per 100 hands is more proitable still than single table live.

just not my bag, i play because i love it, it saddens me to see how these networks have bastardised what is a great game.

actually i played 20 5 dollar SnGs, ive checked, roi of 11 percent, not that the money mattered.

i tried from rock to push poker styles, then got bored, after seeing the same board textures repeating themselves, and knew it  wasnt my bag.

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Love the OPR stats - not that I would post them.
Looks like the $100 is running out quickly and best stick to live. Maybe good to start alternative card options. As you appear to be into card-counting try black jack?


listen ballbag, and listen good.

If any of these sites deals were completely random, then they would offer insurance
with a guaranteed odds skim just like any casino game.
it would really increase their profit margins, obviously theres more to be made sodomising the game the way they do.



they do not offer it because the cards in certain circumstances  are to predictable.
the ace heavy boards at merge being one example where you can watch the juice live, no hand histories needed.
even with a 20 percent skim off the correct odds, they would still get brutilised.

If you had have said yes to my hand history question then I maybe could have convinced you that the hands aren't juiced but as you don't even take poker seriously enough to save them then you deserve nothing. Poker will always be juiced to you, you are beyond redemption.

As for your 18 game stat, please come back after 1,000 games and I might respect them. Anyone can get lucky and a 18 sample is nowhere near enough. I have an ROI of 97% at $7 STTs on Stars in a 16 game sample, get my point?

people like you who defend the industry as a whole entity, quite frankly just make me laugh out loud.

you see you can not convince anyone the deals are completely random industr wide, when all they have to do is go to carbon poker, open any low stakes table,at some random time, on some random day, log down the first 130 community cards, and close the table, then repeat, and repeat, and if your eyes aint already bleeding enough repeat again, 2 of our home  game lads had very similar results a me.

out of the 100 times over a month that i did it, only 27 times did a 130 card sequence have 10 or less aces in it, but ts worse than that, when you deduct the 12 sequences where the expected average of 10 aces happened you are left with 73 over ace heavy boards agianst 15 under ace boards,

hh mean nothing, all matters is how a site is dealing now, right now, not months or years ago.


combined with my other 2 simple tests , flushed flops occurring on average every 8 flops instead of one in 20, and the turn card pairing the flop test, that was also virtually double the  expected rate.


they are simple tests that anyone should do before ever considering depositing, if a site s prepared t adulterate the deal one way,then where they will draw the line is anyones guess.

so to sum up

over a month i opened 100 low takes tables
i logged to spreadsheet the fist 130 community cards and closed the table, then the next time telly was boring i rolled over and opened another table, and did the same again.

the results
73 sequences 11 aces or more
12 sequences expected norm 10 aces
15 sequencceesss  9  or  less aces

average over  all 1300 cards, ace every 8.03 cards.

average for flopped flushes 1 in 8 flops instead of the expected 1 in 20.
turn card pairing the flop occurred every 3.78 turn cards seen.

now off you go again and try convincing me that the only 3 simple tests i decided to run on the site were all so far askew at the same time is simply chance, over to you,of you go now.

I don't understand why you are criticising the site rather than spending as much time on it as possible. You know it has ace heavy boards. Other players haven't realised. You therefore have a huge advantage. You have information about the board that other people don't. Instead of exploiting it you want to play on another site where the board is truly random and you have no advantage. Why is that?

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average for flopped flushes 1 in 8 flops instead of the expected 1 in 20.


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average for flushed flops 1 in 8 flops instead of the expected 1 in 20.

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average for flopped flushes 1 in 8 flops instead of the expected 1 in 20.


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average for flushed flops 1 in 8 flops instead of the expected 1 in 20.

yes i could learn the rig of carbon easily, it is after all unashamedly blatant.
that way i could use an unfair advantage over someone who is naive enough to believe their advertising, its probably what you are doing right now.

what you suggest makes me feel dirty, its akin to theft, no different to insider trading, and just about sums up the online poker industry and most online players mind set, anything goes when it comes to money eh.

Well really what I was getting at is this. Large numbers of players complain that deals are ****. They also claim they understand how they are **** and can predict what the outcome of a hand will be. In my experience all of them use this as a reason for leaving a site.

One conclusion you could draw is that these people are virtuous and don't want to gain an unfair advantage. From what you say I accept that you are one of those people.

Another conclusion you could draw is that the vast majority of people doing the complaining do not even believe what they are saying themselves. Not being virtuous if they did believe what they were saying they would stay with the site and make a killing.

For that reason I'm always suspicious of someone who says 'It's ****, I'm leaving' instead of 'It's ****, I'm staying'.

A question though. To what extent, if any, do you think the boards you are looking at ought to be light on aces?

Obviously you are only examining occasions where there is a flop. Where the hand is concluded pre-flop there is nothing to look at. Is it possible that where aces are dealt as hole cards betting is likely to be aggressive pre-flop and so the hand is likely to be concluded pre-flop. Had there been a flop it would have been light on aces since they are in the hole cards but you never get to count this in your stats. Where betting is light pre-flop there is a little less chance of Aces being dealt as hole cards and consequently more chance that there will be a board and that aces will appear on it.

Is there a selection bias here?

I love it when these mentalists use the  closing gambit of " I've unistalled the software " and not " I've rung the helpdesk and self excluded myself."

Wow you have unistalled the software !

If someone came on here and said " I saw my wife had added a new male friend on Facebook, I took this to mean she was cheating on me,so I've just shot her. She isn't dead but she is bleeding heavily" I'd think to myself " Thats a bit drastic, phone an ambulance and prepare for some jail time. "

But uninstalling the software is like saying " I think my wife is cheating on me so I've hidden her dressing gown...that will teach her."

I played 3 6 max cash tables last month for one of the Xmas promos. During a 2 hour period I think I connected with about 3 flops. Indeed the flops could not have been any less conducive to getting further action from me.

What this latest conspiracy theorist is claiming, is that if you toss a coin 130 times and heads comes up more than 65 times, the coin is ****.

Priceless.

waffle waffle pre flop yada yada.

quite simple open table, log down one row of 130 columns, close table, roll over and watch telly, repeat when ever bored for a month until 100 rows of columns are comeplete, filter out all the hits from the 13,000 logged community cards = 1600 plus aces divide into 13,000 = ace every 8.03 community cards seen.


the highest  was 33 aces per 130 card sequence, and the lowest 5.
the aces were heavier by 38.23 percent over 13k random samples.

[x] Seek help.

your a proper nugget you, anyone playing decent stakes would change name every few weeks, ban their scope etc data being seen etc, who in their right mind would want other decnt players knowing anything about them.

then theres nuggets like you, 3800 sit n goes for around 55c a game average return, boosted by a sharp 6k spike,at 2500 games whilst still being just a few hundred dollars up on the 2.5k sngs, got lucky in a tourney i presume.

you play 20 dollar sngs for an average 55 cent profit per table, stack the years upon years worth of profit together, along with your tourney winnings, including your 6k onetime touch and then try and come over as being some kind of poker authority.

your scope shows you a few hundred dollars in profit for the first 2.5k games, and 2.2k up for 3800 == 55 cents a game, its a joke no matter whatever way you spin it

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL FFS

Sorry Doobs.

"waffle waffle pre flop yada yada" isn't a reply to a point it's a refusal to address it and as debating tactics go fairly transparent.

I believe your figures. I believe I would get the same figures if I went to the trouble. Now explain what statistical methods you have used to ensure that your results aren't exactly what you should expect from a fair deal.

Here's an experiment you could do which would deal with my argument. Get on a heads up table with a friend, agree to see a full board every single hand just checking down and record those stats.

The ones you have are worthless unless you either account for the inherent bias or have a reason to believe there is no inherent bias.

indeed you would get the same figures i got if YOU did go and try carbon.

you are convinced bf is straight, right i believe you, so i will re-install the client and do the same tests over a month, i will put batches of 10 row results here along with the table I.D.s and hand number start, and finish.

i think from tests i have already done here that aces will show 1000 times in 1300 random community cards give or take 5 percent.

oops 13,000

FFS save your hand histories and download Pokertracker or HEM2 both of which have free trials. I have 150,000 hands saved and I checked my all in stats that match closely to what I should expect in HEM2. It's human nature to see patterns but sometimes we see only what we want to see. Come back to me when you've 150,000 hands saved with your 100% definite proof or go troll elsewhere.

1000 out of 13,000 cards is 1/13 - there are 4 Aces in the deck so 52/4 = 13. TROLL.

Manxy, to be clear, I'm not saying you are making up your results.

I'm saying that using your method of looking at hands where the players choose to see a flop has an effect on the number of aces you should expect to see. If your plan is to simply repeat the experiment I'm not clear what that would achieve and it seems like a lot of effort to go to.

I know people are saying 'LOL sample size' but I don't think that's the only issue. I have no idea what proportion of aces you should expect to see. My argument is that it's possible the very fact that a flop is dealt makes that flop more likely to be ace heavy. But how much more I have no idea. I just doubt that 1/13 board cards ought to be an ace.

ok ovalman the hands  from here, filter out all community cards seen in all histories, tell us how many community cards there were, and how many of those community cards were aces.

No point trying to convince losers like "chipliar" and baldydoobs" manxy. What you must understand about these low lifes is that they are compulsive gamblers. It's a bit like telling an alcohlic that the drink is doing bad things to your body and will kill you, they will deny this and also deny that they have a drink problem. Ask chipfire how much money he has lost on the horses, sports betting ETC? and why he has to have a loss limit on everything? Fact is something that has to be programmed by a human cannot be random, and in the future at some point it will be proved that online poker is not honest.

Firstly,

username             Games Played 18    Av. Profit $63      Av. Stake $96      Av. ROI 27%    Total Profit $1,140      -    Ability /100 92    CryptoLogic

18 fecking games and you think that proves your a good player?

No wonder you dont understand how stats work FFS.

Secondly,

Your ability rating on Ongame is 50.

I suspect everyone on this thread is above that.

Even Thrappers.

Cheeky fecker!

Thirdly,

Why has none of the better STT players hopped on a ferry to the Isle of Man?  I could beat this tard HU and I am pooh so god knows what some of you would do to him.  You would need a securicor van for the return journey!

manxy     19 Jan 12 13:24 
yes i could learn the rig of carbon easily, it is after all unashamedly blatant.
that way i could use an unfair advantage over someone who is naive enough to believe their advertising, its probably what you are doing right now.

what you suggest makes me feel dirty, its akin to theft, no different to insider trading, and just about sums up the online poker industry and most online players mind set, anything goes when it comes to money eh.


what a load of bolux , i suppose when playing live and a rich /drunk fish down on your table ,you get up and refuse to play as it wouldent be right taking his money
its a long time since ive seen as much garbage spouted on one thread . stinks of a live player assuming internet is easy and because he cant cut the mustard needs to blame someone instead of looking at his own play

I don't know (yet) how to filter the data but why don't you try it, you get a free trial.

Oh Cheezer, you cut me so deep man.

I think phaedrus might have this spot on when he says, "I'm saying that using your method of looking at hands where the players choose to see a flop has an effect on the number of aces you should expect to see."

I don't think I'm giving away any massive strategy secret when I say that if I pick up AA or AK then I'm raising, and because I've raised there is less likely to be a flop.

Now if there was post flop action then those boards are likely to be light on aces because with AA I hold half of all the aces in the deck and with AK I hold a quarter.

Those boards are not going to appear in manxy's stats simply because those hands don't see a flop as often as other hands.

So if an ace did appear as often as 1 time in 13 THEN I would be suspicious.

Turn the caps lock off mate, it makes you appear angry about something.

chipfire=

[ ] A winner in life,the sort of man a women loves, happy and level headed.
[x] A complusive gambler, lies to his family about his problems, lives in his bedroom masterbating over pictures of scary spice wishing he could escape his sad pathetic life and be able to make a good living, with a real skill and be respected by all.

How many of the Spice Girls would you have a crack at given the chance cheezer ?

[x] Impossible to be respected by all when working for a major UK bank.

[x] Currently watching Sherlock on catch up (again) with my kids.

[ ] Massively keen on Scary Spice.

HTH.

Seriously just LOL What an utter baffoon

I read from the beginning and wondered where the he11 cheezer and peed off punter were and then as if by magic, hey prestooooo lol.

Out of interest, has Highstack moved to the Isle of Man?

Ok ... This thread is hilarious!

Manx your survey is flawed as you can't see the community cards on every flop, as hands are sometimes folded preflop. Pharo explained this perfectly. I have a Masters in Mathematics ... and im telling you that your survey is inherently flawed. Judging by your response to Pharo, you don't understand this. You may well be right about online poker being ****, but you are not supplying ANY evidence in this thread whatsoever. I imagine you won't accept my input however.

Cheezer, you need to see a psychiatrist! Not a psychologist, as they can't administer medication.

Blatant early morning post to keep this going.

Still do not understand the original post shove.
Please provide more examples, more analysis, and back up with basic statistics.

Happy for the other comments too as it's a great read and want some feedback on Isle of Mann.

BRAVO MANKSY .. 1 of the few people to talk honestly on this forum !

Hurrah !!! Another mentalist enters the fray !!!

I would guess at the same mentalist on a new account myself!

i would say  avery sensible post just lacking stats and hand histories

I'm now just going to agree with them

If you think your hands are r igg ed then then try this.

RT hand Analyzer for ri gg ed poker games.

www.brillrni.com/rt-hand-analyzer-rig ged-games/

Poor peed off punter's blown his weekly 10c poker allowance again :(

Do the mentally ill still get weekly giros off the Social ? It's all very sad.

Still, at least he should be hearing from the Gambling Commission soon. Every cloud and all that.

Can anyone help me?

Has anyone else read " The Psycopath Test " by Jon Ronson ? If feels like I'm reading it again here.

Oh, the mods have stepped in.

Shame your earlier post got deleted, it was one of your most enlightening monolouges yet. Complete b0ll0cks of course, but entertaining nonetheless.

I would imagine something to do with the complete lack of evidence in support of your theory.

Without the evidence, it just sounds like sour grapes you see. Personally I find your posts very amusing, but clearly the Moderators dont see it that way.

The conpsiracy theorists loved that David Shayler when he joined their ranks, especially with him having formerly worked for the Intelligence Services.

Then he started claiming the planes that flew into the Twin Towers were HOLOGRAMS on Daytime TV, and they started drifting away from him. When he went on Sky and announced he was the Son of God it was all over for him. Now he dresses in womens clothes and signs on the dole.

It's a slippery slope mate, that's all I'm saying.

It's human nature to see patterns, that's why you see faces in the clouds if you look close enough. For a while (recently) I seen my opponents hit every river. You know the type, I push AKs and they call A2o and hit the 2 on the river. I started to convince myself it was me.

I own Holdem Manager 2 but haven't really got the full use out of it. When I eventually found out how to run the numbers I ran the "races" report and guess what? The numbers match almost exactly what I should be expecting for odds. I've only a 15,000 hand sample for races but the numbers match close enough for me to know I was getting what was expected. When I hit 1 million hands, I'd fully expect those numbers to match even closer.

I really don't know what your trying to say about card patterns, 2 distinct hands in a 20 game sample isn't a pattern. Look at the number Pi to 10 decimal places:

3.1415926535

I can see a pattern 1's and 5's emerging in that number above so Pi can't be random.

It's no fun losing, sometimes you see only what you want to see, the cards are as random for everyone, it's what you do with the cards and your bets that wins in the long run.

The peed off punter is right here...if they have nothing to hide, why are they deleting posts?

Fair play to him for continuing to play poker on a network he believes to be fraudulent and corrupt. Presumably just to furnish the Gambling Commission with further evidence of malpractice.

Only one word for that......HEROISM !!!

Heroism indeed Chippy.

Every two weeks Peed off punter sacrifices his giro so that we can get a fair game of poker!

Now thats what a call a man of the people!

Nap

Helmuth sticking up for his wee m8 lol.

Oh great, the UK'S worst dressed man is back.

I didn't copy the hand - exed it off before I could get the history but this was a doozy.

4 left in a 5 seat $3 +$.30 sit n go.

I had AK spades and acted first - raised 3x bb and was chip leader
Next guy all-in (3rd in chips)
Next guy all-in (4th in chips)
Next guy calls (2nd in chips)
I call.

Flip over the cards
Guy 2nd in chips shows AK diamonds
Guy 3rd in chips shows AK hearts
Guy 4th in chips shows AK Clubs
- no lie

Flop was 2C, 5D, 7C
Turn was 3D
River was 8D

I was happy to get 2nd pay lol.

Obviously should have read everyone was all-in pre flop.