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chipfire227
02 Dec 11 17:49
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Looks like there's about 250 registered for tomorrow nights MTT already, but I haven't got a ticket despite generating more than the 50 points required playing 2 or more cash tables yesterday.

Wondered if anyone else has got theirs ?
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Report chipfire227 December 2, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
Alternatively can someone clarify how many poker points you need to generate 50 player points ?
Report brightonaremagic December 2, 2011 6:12 PM GMT
I have still not received my ticket. It was all a bit of a rush for me as did not realise that it had to be completed by Midnight CET.
Report gnashersblackpool December 2, 2011 8:30 PM GMT
1player point is 4 betfair betting commision points.



How do I earn Betfair Points from Poker?
You earn 'Betfair Points' every time you pay rake and therefore create 'Player Points'. You will receive four 'Betfair Points' for every 'Player Point' earned:

1 Player Point = 4 Betfair Point

'Betfair Points' will be credited to your account once a day for your past day activity.ir sport exchange point.
Report chipfire227 December 2, 2011 9:44 PM GMT
Yeah I was sure it was either 3 and a half or four poker points to a player point. According to my statement I got 213 playing cash games, at which point I quit. However when I go onto the promo page the monitor thing that shows how much progress you have made is only halfway across.

Had a feeling this would be farcical, and of course there will be nobody in the Promotions Dept over the weekend to chase up tickets for people.

Given they cant get data to update a weekly leaderboard once a week for STT'S have a feeling the MON,TUES,WEDS, Promo will be a shambles too.
Report NickFiickTheOriginal December 2, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
Have not got mine either. Sure I did enough. But my cash play was real bad last night.
Report chipfire227 December 3, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
Doesn't look like I'm getting my ticket. Only 342 runners at the moment so looks like a fair few have missed out. If there's loads of discos could be really good value an all. Sad
Report Apocolypse December 3, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
I didn't get mine either!! Played for 10 hours 4/6 tables omaha hi\lo.
Called them 3 times today, they said that they will credit me a ticket 30 seconds after it started....ffs
Report chipfire227 December 3, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
Cant be boshed to rack up points today and tomorrow for the next one, all seems a bit pointless. Was going to have a stab at the sit no go leaderboard thing Mon, Tues, Weds, but as they haven't been able to update the weekly one for about 3 weeks it doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it ?
Report chipfire227 December 3, 2011 7:36 PM GMT
Will try and speak to someone at BF about this next week, and if I dont get any joy will raise it at Q and A session a week Monday. At the very least players should get tickets for the next Freeroll.

If anyone thinks they generated the points required on Thursday but didn't get a ticket, if your post your usernames on this thread I will include you in my email.
Report Cherry_Blossom_Shoe_polish December 3, 2011 7:42 PM GMT
chipfire227 if i had a ticket i would give it to you because i think you deserve it because of all your positive input on the forum you could treat as some sort of recognition to your contribution to betfair poker and it's forum.It's a pleasure to have people around like you and thanks for all you do to help us punters here grinding away  all the best and b lucky chips and may all your pots be monsters
Report Apocolypse December 3, 2011 7:52 PM GMT
jinzo. Thanks for trying to get this site sorted out chip!!
Report MrFancyPant December 3, 2011 8:10 PM GMT
How do you know when you have accumulated enough points for todays promotions please?

Such a joke as per usual.  Leaderboard updates are disgusting!
Report chipfire227 December 3, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
According to gnasher 4 Betfair poker points equals one player point. So if he is right you would have needed to generate 200 Betfair poker points on Thursday 1st December, playing at least 2 cash tables at the same time.

The problem of course is that while you can check your BF poker points going via "MY ACCOUNT" to your BF points statement, I've no idea how you check player points. Its also complicated if like me you also play STTS, as its difficult to distinguish between points generated playing cash and those generated playing STTS.

I generated about 500 points on Thursday according to my statement, but it would be impossible for me to prove at least 200 of them were gained via cash games where I was playing at least 2 tables.

I've no idea why they leave so little time between the qualification period and the Freeroll, especially when the promotions team only seem to work 9-5 Mon-Fri.
Report MrFancyPant December 3, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
I think you can check your player points by going into your players club and clicking on 'more points details'?
Report ajcairns. December 3, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
the promotions team only seem to work 9-5 Mon-Fri.


Pushing a bit chipfire.  If there is one recurring thing that is so easy so sort its a decent, useful promo team. Unfortunately the bf team rarely fail to **** something up. Perhaps you could raise this the next time you go to bf towers.
Report brightonaremagic December 3, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
Never received my ticket and I definitely opted in and generated enough points during the stipulated time period (cgull69)
Report Ovalman. December 3, 2011 9:11 PM GMT
I got 3 "new player" $2500 tickets in my account :) I had 3 missed calls from Betfair to my mobile and I suspect that's where they came from. Afaik they have low numbers so it will work out around $30 of buy ins.
Report appollo December 3, 2011 9:26 PM GMT
Basically you get 5 poker player points for every &1 of rake paid, (or 1 point for every 20c). So whenever I try for such promos, I check players club for points total before I start and then check after so long to confirm that I've achieved enough points.
Report appollo December 3, 2011 9:27 PM GMT
That should read $1
Report gnashersblackpool December 3, 2011 9:30 PM GMT
u get 4pts now forevery dollar raked.

it can b found under useful questions in the poker tab.

i copied and pasted the reveleant page on adiff thread.
Report chipfire227 December 3, 2011 9:32 PM GMT
Obviously some of the promotions team work weekends, but that tends to be on live events like BF Prague next weekend. The bods manning the phones today would merely be message takers, with no real power to do anything. I sent an email off late yesterday afternoon, more in hope than expectation.
Report chipfire227 December 3, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
Checking players club before and after is only going to give you an accurate picture so long as you play cash only in that session. If, like me, you are playing the odd STT and MTT in the same session it gets more complicated.

From day one with Ongame we have had a recurring problem with any promotion or leaderboard that requires them to capture data and  act upon it or pass it onto Betfair. It doesn't work, it has never worked, and it probably never will work. At least with the last few promotions they seemed to have learnt their lesson and allowed at least 4 or 5 days after the qualification period ended and the MTT started to sort out the mess. With this one the qualification period ended at midnight on Thursday and the MTT was Saturday night. Given no fker with any clout at Betfair works Saturdays it was a recipe for disaster.

Given there's a handful of regs on here didn't get tickets, God alone knows how many others didn't. I was out all day yesterday but it took me about 10 minutes when I got in around 5pm to suss out something wasn't right. No idea why someone paid to run these things at Ongame didn't given every single similar promo they have runthere have been people who shouldhave had tickets who didn't get them.

Pretty sure current chip leader ( Raith Rover ) is a regular who posts on here from time to time, so hopefully he will make the top 10.
Report appollo December 3, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
Yes sorry Gnasher, I didn't relise that they had changed the formula, but your right it is 4 points for every $1.
You have my sympathies Chip and you quite right about the failure to issue tickets. I know of 2 people who didn't get tickets for the 'mo' promotion and that again caused problems as the tournament was cancelled at no notice. I'm sure there will be more than the 7 original entries in the rescheduled tournament on Wednesday.
Report raithrover December 4, 2011 12:10 AM GMT
Haha! I got a mention!

Yeah m8, I actually finished miles 1st when it got down to last 10 before the 'all in fest' so have a shiny new Ipad on the way (despite the fact I haven't a clue what it does....I struggle to send a text message on my mobile phone as it is)

Regards the poker points, there was a bar at the top when you went into the promotion on the calendar which went up as you played, it DID go up alot slower than I expected to be fair, took me at least an hour playing 2 x 1$/1$ omaha heads up tables (and that racks up points)
Report raithrover December 4, 2011 12:16 AM GMT
*yeah, just checked, in the calendar, the 'tick' goes blue from grey once the bar is full if thats any use for you in upcoming ones.
Report chipfire227 December 4, 2011 11:13 AM GMT
Well played mate, enjoy !

Clearly the issue here is this bar, monitor, thing, is updated by Ongame, and you are totally reliant upon it giving an accurate reflection of your play. I'm pretty certain I generated 213 Betfair points playing cash, which should have taken me just over the 50 player points, but the bar never went beyond halfway.

I did play 2 sessions of cash, with an STT session either side of it, so wonder if that's knocked their calculator sideways ?
Report MrFancyPant December 4, 2011 8:31 PM GMT
Chip do u have any idea about the promo on the 14/15/16th?  It says you have to play in every scheduled mtt.  Is this for real?  What if 200 people decide to do it?
Report gnashersblackpool December 4, 2011 9:01 PM GMT
it doesnt mean u play all of em, it means all of em count towards the leaderboard.[except sats and feeders to other comps,which account for the majority of the mtt lobby]
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 2:35 AM GMT
Leaderboards a farce for the stt thing  already. gnasher top of board, ive been multitabling for 2 and a half hours, i'm winning, and not even got a point to my name.
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 3:04 AM GMT
Fk this for a game of soldiers, played for 3 hours 4 tabling low  stakes turbo stts, returned a +30% ROI, and still not registered a single point, despite winning 4 x 10 seaters.

Utter, utter, set of fking amateurs. Laugh
Report gnashersblackpool December 5, 2011 3:55 AM GMT
no idea how it works.

isit a volume race, or a roi one?
after an hr ihad 90ptsin2nd, after 2 igot 40 ptstotal,and still 2nd.

c whtait says in the morning.
Report gnashersblackpool December 5, 2011 3:59 AM GMT
3rd update
1    axelschultz    103.11
2    gnasher8    79.53
3    doenermoench    71.92
4    b i a 8 9    68.80
5    Ph0en1xFire    65.28
6    CAPKA3M    64.12
7    Helbee    63.67
8    maXX_CZ    56.43
9    boglarka10    54.99
10    Sod0m    52.50
11    .STFU.    50.02
12    sheldon55    48.40
13    pookstelk    47.31
14    akakuraj37    41.56
15    kaput251    41.43
16    Fury.kk    38.72
17    MikaDogs    37.02
18    HiATMs    36.89
19    AgressivFold    34.90
Report gnashersblackpool December 5, 2011 4:02 AM GMT
and found the formula,
Formula and prize distribution


Formula: pts = [ pp.0.8 / pf 0.5] *.1



PP = Prize pool
PF = Place finished


Prize distribution:

Rank    Prize
1 to 25    iPad 16GB WiFi Edition
26    $400
27    $250
28-30    $150
31-41    $100
42-55    $50
56-75    $30
76-125    $15
126-200    $10thou no idea howit works.
Report Bruce Willis December 5, 2011 10:30 AM GMT
Guys, can you tell me roughly what 10 points in the stt leaderboard equates to? buy in and finish in the stt etc
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 11:05 AM GMT
No idea Bruce, and I've gone beyond the point of caring. What's the point of a series of promotions where your play isn't generating points or tickets, and there is nobody you can contact to rectify the situation until it's too late ?

If they (Ongame)cant even get basic data collection sorted for a fking leaderboard or issue tickets for a freeroll, what chance have you got of them catching colluders and keeping the thing from crashing 3 times a week ?
Report Bruce Willis December 5, 2011 11:30 AM GMT
I sent you a message on the forum chip. Btw your on the leaderboard, saw your name
Report gnashersblackpool December 5, 2011 12:01 PM GMT
16pts, 170 odd position. i think it was
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 12:14 PM GMT
16 points....lmfao...r1GGED innit. Laugh
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 12:18 PM GMT
Presumably the points I got playing from midnight till 3 am don't count then ? Sad
Report Bruce Willis December 5, 2011 12:26 PM GMT
Played six $1.20 STT's, won 4. Just testing to see if that puts me on the leaderboard CrazyLaugh
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 12:28 PM GMT
B0llocks to it, about £40 in front, gonna stick it on a horse at 8/1 and if it wins just buy a fricken I-pad and go back to bed. Laugh
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 12:30 PM GMT
I won 4 x $5 10 mans and cashed in 2 x $5 30 mans last night, didnt get a single point for it.

GL gnash, and anyone else taking part, all a bit too random for me.
Report Bruce Willis December 5, 2011 12:34 PM GMT
Tindaro 12:40 plumpton @ 2.85
Report lawslaw December 5, 2011 12:49 PM GMT
Think the only way you could make serious headway in this is by playing 30 man x $5/$10

May play a couple of sessions today and see what happens.
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 1:42 PM GMT
You would have to 8 table stts for 12 hours a day minimum to make headway....FACT !!
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 1:48 PM GMT
That's assuming you can even get logged in. Cry
Report chipfire227 December 5, 2011 1:52 PM GMT
Let me log in after 10 attempts, now wont let me register for games....Laugh
Report gnashersblackpool December 5, 2011 1:59 PM GMT
its not payin winnings for satt at the mo
Report MrFancyPant December 6, 2011 1:58 AM GMT
these promos = life tilt!
Report MrFancyPant December 6, 2011 2:09 AM GMT
Can u get more info abt these promos anywhere?  Formulas etc etc
Report chipfire227 December 6, 2011 11:58 AM GMT
Apparently they are on the BWIN poker promos page.
Report gnashersblackpool December 6, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
icopied/pasted iton otherthread,thou u needamaths degreeagain
Report chipfire227 December 6, 2011 11:42 PM GMT
Just a quick update for jinzo, cgull69, and others who contacted me privately, I have raised a query with the Promotions Team about tickets for the first freeroll not being issued to players who should have had them, and also the fact jinzo queried this to no avail with the Helpdesk.

Someone is looking into it and I will update you once I hear back.
Report GrandTilt December 7, 2011 10:33 AM GMT
Morning all

I have spoken with both the Ongame and Betfair Promo teams about this promotion and the issue in most cases is that people have not wagered enough to qualify. Qualification to this particular promo was to earn 50 Player Points by playing two tables simultaneously. Any points earned whilst not playing two or more cash game tables will not count. 


Apologies if you have been affected by this. Please contact our help desk if you would like them to investigate further(via Ongame)and apologies for any inconvenience.

If you have any other issues please let me know.
Report Keith A December 7, 2011 12:16 PM GMT
Can you investigate me please
Report GrandTilt December 7, 2011 12:52 PM GMT
Keith -Please ask our help desk as it needs to be officially logged and recorded.
Thanks
Report chipfire227 December 7, 2011 2:09 PM GMT
I have a sneaky suspicion they are only counting your first 2 tabling session and not your entire days play, but cant prove this as I only get a betfair points statement and not a player points one. This does not differentiate between stts and cash, so although I generated 500 points that day I cant prove how many were gained playing cash.

There were definitely issues with the live STT leaderboard for the promotion running 5-6-7 December over the first 12 hours, where points totals were increasing and then decreasing, and in my case not appearing at all until about 11 am. 3 people attempted to interpret the formula they were using to calculate how many points youwould get for winning a30 man stt ( which had to be lifted off the BWIN site ! ) and all 3 of them got vastly different totals.

The bottom line is that you either trust Ongame to generate accurate data and publish it, or you dont. If you don't then its pointless spending time and money on any promotion they run. The only other one I will enter is the one where you have to play at least 10 stts in a day , because at least that is something you can prove you have done.

Why everything has to be so fking complex is beyond me. Sad
Report MrFancyPant December 7, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
Why oh why can't they ever get it right?  I have emailed them asking about formulas for various promos and never hear anything back.  Life tilt!
Report chipfire227 December 7, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
Is it because the Promotions Team are only genuinely interested in the dozen or so people that turn up to live events ?
Report lawslaw December 7, 2011 9:22 PM GMT
Sorry Chipfire but they don't seem to care about promoting  the Live Events or those travelling miles to get to them I remember at LIVE! Vienna there was only myself and one other registered for the High Rollers and they had to cancel. What a joke.
Report chipfire227 December 7, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
Ted was 2nd this morning, the poor sod is 20th now, and still a few hours to go. Shocked

Mrs Gnasher,and all the little baby Gnashers,  go and give him a hand to cross the finishing line !!!
Report Bruce Willis December 7, 2011 10:39 PM GMT
Come on Gnasher keep grinding for that iPad, then we can iMessage/iVideo/iHug/iDontknow
Report chipfire227 December 7, 2011 11:07 PM GMT
Haven't seen him at any of the tables in the last hour or so, and all the blokes around him on the leaderboard are playing and running  uber good an all. Sad
Report gnashersblackpool December 8, 2011 12:25 AM GMT
hi, think i tookit 2 easy near the end  but made it.

cant believe i had to play 30 hrs to get it,but its been a good night as i won a betfair live packaGE AS WELL 2NITE.

mentally im totally drained,
Report chipfire227 December 8, 2011 11:25 AM GMT
That leaderboard must have been running a good 5 or 6 hours behind gnash ?
Report gnashersblackpool December 8, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
think the 1st night it was running behind, but the last nigh tit seemed to b going up almost in real time.

it just proves that if they wanted 2 bf probably could do the same with their's and then cut out the cr ap that happens with it from time to time.
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