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PokerStars Game #66273182651: Tournament #434010196, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2011/08/20 12:12:38 WET [2011/08/20 7:12:38 ET]
Table '434010196 26' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: the_dibster (13800 in chips)
Seat 3: GusDenmark1 (8265 in chips)
Seat 4: JimJamz272 (21000 in chips)
Seat 5: palle6868 (43159 in chips)
Seat 6: Kinababy (4095 in chips)
Seat 7: gizzetti (18288 in chips)
Seat 8: Aliquantum (6859 in chips)
Seat 9: .A.SineD.R. (9534 in chips)
[antes]
GusDenmark1: posts small blind 150
JimJamz272: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to the_dibster [Kd 9d]
palle6868: folds
Kinababy: folds
gizzetti: raises 330 to 630 standard and has folded to reraise
Aliquantum: folds
.A.SineD.R.: folds
the_dibster: raises 1270 to 1900 so i reraise :)
GusDenmark1: calls 1750
JimJamz272: folds
gizzetti: calls 1270 oops s/b snap calls
*** FLOP *** [6c 8c Ts]
GusDenmark1: checks
gizzetti: checks
the_dibster: checks
*** TURN *** [6c 8c Ts] [8d]
GusDenmark1: checks
gizzetti: checks
the_dibster: checks
*** RIVER *** [6c 8c Ts 8d] [3s]
GusDenmark1: bets 6340 and is all-in ok - so it looks a bluff...
Glowingmind is connected
gizzetti: calls 6340 righto... must be something after all
the_dibster: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GusDenmark1: shows [Qs Ad] (a pair of Eights)
gizzetti: shows [3h 4d] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
gizzetti collected 18880 from pot
GusDenmark1 finished the tournament in 99th place
Table '434010196 26' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: the_dibster (13800 in chips)
Seat 3: GusDenmark1 (8265 in chips)
Seat 4: JimJamz272 (21000 in chips)
Seat 5: palle6868 (43159 in chips)
Seat 6: Kinababy (4095 in chips)
Seat 7: gizzetti (18288 in chips)
Seat 8: Aliquantum (6859 in chips)
Seat 9: .A.SineD.R. (9534 in chips)
[antes]
GusDenmark1: posts small blind 150
JimJamz272: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to the_dibster [Kd 9d]
palle6868: folds
Kinababy: folds
gizzetti: raises 330 to 630 standard and has folded to reraise
Aliquantum: folds
.A.SineD.R.: folds
the_dibster: raises 1270 to 1900 so i reraise :)
GusDenmark1: calls 1750
JimJamz272: folds
gizzetti: calls 1270 oops s/b snap calls
*** FLOP *** [6c 8c Ts]
GusDenmark1: checks
gizzetti: checks
the_dibster: checks
*** TURN *** [6c 8c Ts] [8d]
GusDenmark1: checks
gizzetti: checks
the_dibster: checks
*** RIVER *** [6c 8c Ts 8d] [3s]
GusDenmark1: bets 6340 and is all-in ok - so it looks a bluff...
Glowingmind is connected
gizzetti: calls 6340 righto... must be something after all
the_dibster: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GusDenmark1: shows [Qs Ad] (a pair of Eights)
gizzetti: shows [3h 4d] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
gizzetti collected 18880 from pot
GusDenmark1 finished the tournament in 99th place
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I think GusDenmark1 played this all wrong after the flop. The check by both on the flop has to be followed up by betting out first on the turn card. a 6810 flop (two clubs as well) is a scary board even for someone who hits trips - so unless someone flops the nuts you naturally expect any one who got some of that flop or is holding an overpair to bet out on the flop.
A player out of position would absolutely bet the turn card if he has something (even a smaller pair). So for me - this move - [/b]GusDenmark1: bets 6340 and is all-in[/b] was daft and the call on the river not quite as daft as it might look at first glance.
If you are bluffing the river, then even half pot (circa 3000 would have been enough) as you will see from my my thread:
http://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28209711/love-it-whe...
there was a bit of movement on the turn card and the bluff on the river was a 3000 chip raise (NOT an all in)
I think GusDenmark1 played this all wrong after the flop. The check by both on the flop has to be followed up by betting out first on the turn card. a 6810 flop (two clubs as well) is a scary board even for someone who hits trips - so unless someone flops the nuts you naturally expect any one who got some of that flop or is holding an overpair to bet out on the flop.
A player out of position would absolutely bet the turn card if he has something (even a smaller pair). So for me - this move - [/b]GusDenmark1: bets 6340 and is all-in[/b] was daft and the call on the river not quite as daft as it might look at first glance.
If you are bluffing the river, then even half pot (circa 3000 would have been enough) as you will see from my my thread:
http://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28209711/love-it-whe...
there was a bit of movement on the turn card and the bluff on the river was a 3000 chip raise (NOT an all in)
i don't mind the call on the river as much as i mind the call pre with AQ and 43o....
i'm actually quite pleased to have been able to get out of the way with my resteal!
i'm actually quite pleased to have been able to get out of the way with my resteal!
Yeah, why 34 is calling pre flop for 25% of his stack after a 3 bet is loopy. Now where is this gizzetti, and how quickly can you put me on a table with him [:p]
*sigh*
and i go out spending 2 hours totally card dead.... river a flush to find myself outflushed (outfished?)
and i go out spending 2 hours totally card dead.... river a flush to find myself outflushed (outfished?)
is no doubt the correct answer JPJ... although i'm sure our wonderful small blind wouldn't be going away 
:)
all ok with you?
:)all ok with you?
Nah, small blind folds on the flop [;)]
I'm good mate. you? (Apart from poker lol)
I'm good mate. you? (Apart from poker lol)
yep pretty good thanks. poker-wise, I'm just plying the odd game so not too bad.
(and i know you're right btw. ta)
(and i know you're right btw. ta)
but - what sort of hand would you give him credit for? I've no info on the s/b and would have thought that AQ was about the least likely think he could have to call my reraise...
Keith is is wrong.... raise 15BB pre :D
Failing that... decent C bet on that flop and in that pos.
Failing that... decent C bet on that flop and in that pos.
but what hand do you give the small blind for flat calling the reraise?
my judgement was that any hand he just calls with pre he calls on that flop too
Well we already know the SB hand but I'll be as honest as i can with the info.
I think He Jams with AK KK QQ. SO for me his range is AQ, AJ (unlikely) JJ 1010 99 88. It's a decent flop for JJ and 99, and an excellent flop for 1010 and 88, but also a very coordinated flop. The last thing he would want is for the flop to go Check/check/check as there are so many bad turns. So i think with any of these 'paired' hands he leads and then calls any Jam. AQ or AJ would check fold this flop and i'm pretty sure that's the intention.
So i think his hand becomes face up when he checks the flop [;)].... I know i know his hand lol.
There is a very small chance he might have played Aces or Kings this tricky, but again, i think he has to lead on that board.
Glad you're well mate.
I think He Jams with AK KK QQ. SO for me his range is AQ, AJ (unlikely) JJ 1010 99 88. It's a decent flop for JJ and 99, and an excellent flop for 1010 and 88, but also a very coordinated flop. The last thing he would want is for the flop to go Check/check/check as there are so many bad turns. So i think with any of these 'paired' hands he leads and then calls any Jam. AQ or AJ would check fold this flop and i'm pretty sure that's the intention.
So i think his hand becomes face up when he checks the flop [;)].... I know i know his hand lol.
There is a very small chance he might have played Aces or Kings this tricky, but again, i think he has to lead on that board.
Glad you're well mate.
thanks bud... it's always harder to analyse imo when we know the hand (I should have hidden his cards!). I always had the original raiser on trash (or high cards) but couldn't ever see the s/b calling the reraise with something as weak as AQ. I think that's the very worst hand he can possibly have and if i lead then I'm only folding AQ and all the others are going to ship or call and I'm struggling to improve other than my 4 out gutshot...
anyway, again - I'm not arguing as I'm sure you're right. I just wanted to explain my thinking (such as it was)
thanks again mate. appreciate your views.
ttfn
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anyway, again - I'm not arguing as I'm sure you're right. I just wanted to explain my thinking (such as it was)
thanks again mate. appreciate your views.
ttfn
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