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aristonandon 03 Apr 13:33
if human nature is to play as high as you can thats one of the reasons so many players go broke.
I always thought human nature was to succeed/survive and playing as high as you can is better known as greed leading to a fall.
You mis-interpret me completely. I don't believe thats what I wrote, it's definately not what I meant. I meant it is human nature to want a lot from life. Greed is human nature. However I wasn't suggesting that it is nature to play 25/50 with only a 2 buy in bank roll, I was suggesting if he is as successfull as you claim, and makes $3,500 weekly then it is natural that after a while he would move up, as he would have more than a big enough bankroll to take the swings.
Sitting with him and playing with him online doesnt really qualify you to say he is just in the top 1000 players in the world. If you had said in your oppinion he is in the top 1000 and I say that in my oppinion he is in the top 10 then we are fine, to say Im incorrect is the reason this has started.
I'm still not convinced he's in the top 1000 omaha players in the world, I just said he possibly is, I was mainly just confirming I believe he's a quality player. The fact is I totally disagree that he is in the top 10 omaha players in the world. Various people have told me I am wrong at times and I have accepted it most the times, and other times when I just think "what an arrogant**" I just ignore them and beleive in my instinct. If you take someone disagreeing with your opinion to heart so much then I don't think you should be expressing it too much, especially when the original opinion was a pretty outrageous claim.
I respect players who have been there and done that and are still in the game and still winning consistantly as its not easy.
I agree with this completely, the hardest part of the game imo.
He has played at the highest levels
I wasn't actually aware of this, I knew that he had some big wins in the wsop and had played 5/10 etc, but didn't realise he had ever played at the real high stakes.
and now makes a nice simple easy wage off players like you who wrongly assume anyone playing 1/2 or 2/5 cant be that good or they would be playing 25/50 or 200/400 and risking going broke if they run bad.
wow
This part has affected me.
a) I never said they couldn't be that good, do you not think that me saying he is possibly in the top 1000 is proof of this? And me constantly stating he is a quality player?
b) Why do you presume I mean that high? I was actually meaning that I don't understand why he doesn't play 2.50/5 and 5/10, because I've only ever played him at the 1/2 tables as far as I'm aware. If he moved from 1/2 to 5/10 and his bb/100 dropped from say 10/100 to 7/100 he would be making more money wouldn't he, and he wouldn't be at risk of going broke if he runs bad.
You are the one that used the $6,500 a week figure. So say he plays for 40 weeks and makes that much a week, he has $260,000. Surely this is enough buyins to play 2.50/5 if you want to be safe. It is more than enough to play 5/10 imho.
c) I don't know if you were fishing or anything, but I'm not the players that he will be making all of his money off. This will be off the other players who are worse than me. I don't claim to be particularly good, but I'm better than your average player. I am actually up against Plonq too fwiw, its not over that many hands, but I am still up vs him, because the style he plays suits me well.
4 months ago you would have been delighted with 500 a week profit from poker- now you are regularly making single bets of more than that, zero BRM leads to going broke, believe me I have learned that the hard way myself.
Thanks.
This has put it into perspective and I appreciate this part. Yes I would have been delighted with 500 a week from poker, as long as it was reliable and relatively variance free. I have been making bets above this ocasionally as well... (I believe since I won my money I've had about 10-15 bets above 400).
Yes you are spot on with the brm. That is why this month I am sticking to playing sit and go's and mtts, no cash whatsoever. I even dropped down from $38 sngs to $27 the other day because my ROR was so high.
ps, I was very tempted to start this thread with just that finger graphic up, but didn't know whether you would take it the right way, or want to kick the ** out of me.
if human nature is to play as high as you can thats one of the reasons so many players go broke.
I always thought human nature was to succeed/survive and playing as high as you can is better known as greed leading to a fall.
You mis-interpret me completely. I don't believe thats what I wrote, it's definately not what I meant. I meant it is human nature to want a lot from life. Greed is human nature. However I wasn't suggesting that it is nature to play 25/50 with only a 2 buy in bank roll, I was suggesting if he is as successfull as you claim, and makes $3,500 weekly then it is natural that after a while he would move up, as he would have more than a big enough bankroll to take the swings.
Sitting with him and playing with him online doesnt really qualify you to say he is just in the top 1000 players in the world. If you had said in your oppinion he is in the top 1000 and I say that in my oppinion he is in the top 10 then we are fine, to say Im incorrect is the reason this has started.
I'm still not convinced he's in the top 1000 omaha players in the world, I just said he possibly is, I was mainly just confirming I believe he's a quality player. The fact is I totally disagree that he is in the top 10 omaha players in the world. Various people have told me I am wrong at times and I have accepted it most the times, and other times when I just think "what an arrogant**" I just ignore them and beleive in my instinct. If you take someone disagreeing with your opinion to heart so much then I don't think you should be expressing it too much, especially when the original opinion was a pretty outrageous claim.
I respect players who have been there and done that and are still in the game and still winning consistantly as its not easy.
I agree with this completely, the hardest part of the game imo.
He has played at the highest levels
I wasn't actually aware of this, I knew that he had some big wins in the wsop and had played 5/10 etc, but didn't realise he had ever played at the real high stakes.
and now makes a nice simple easy wage off players like you who wrongly assume anyone playing 1/2 or 2/5 cant be that good or they would be playing 25/50 or 200/400 and risking going broke if they run bad.
wow
This part has affected me.
a) I never said they couldn't be that good, do you not think that me saying he is possibly in the top 1000 is proof of this? And me constantly stating he is a quality player?
b) Why do you presume I mean that high? I was actually meaning that I don't understand why he doesn't play 2.50/5 and 5/10, because I've only ever played him at the 1/2 tables as far as I'm aware. If he moved from 1/2 to 5/10 and his bb/100 dropped from say 10/100 to 7/100 he would be making more money wouldn't he, and he wouldn't be at risk of going broke if he runs bad.
You are the one that used the $6,500 a week figure. So say he plays for 40 weeks and makes that much a week, he has $260,000. Surely this is enough buyins to play 2.50/5 if you want to be safe. It is more than enough to play 5/10 imho.
c) I don't know if you were fishing or anything, but I'm not the players that he will be making all of his money off. This will be off the other players who are worse than me. I don't claim to be particularly good, but I'm better than your average player. I am actually up against Plonq too fwiw, its not over that many hands, but I am still up vs him, because the style he plays suits me well.
4 months ago you would have been delighted with 500 a week profit from poker- now you are regularly making single bets of more than that, zero BRM leads to going broke, believe me I have learned that the hard way myself.
Thanks.
This has put it into perspective and I appreciate this part. Yes I would have been delighted with 500 a week from poker, as long as it was reliable and relatively variance free. I have been making bets above this ocasionally as well... (I believe since I won my money I've had about 10-15 bets above 400).
Yes you are spot on with the brm. That is why this month I am sticking to playing sit and go's and mtts, no cash whatsoever. I even dropped down from $38 sngs to $27 the other day because my ROR was so high.
ps, I was very tempted to start this thread with just that finger graphic up, but didn't know whether you would take it the right way, or want to kick the ** out of me.
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ps, I was very tempted to start this thread with just that finger graphic up, but didn't know whether you would take it the right way, or want to kick the **** out of me.
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:/ You confuse me allez, this is just a continuation thread!
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You are too nice, after Ariston's outburst on other thread you should have hit back with proper full force keyboard warrior attack imo.
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Sounds like I missed a cracker of a thread.
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April Profit Challenge Tank, it is quality lol.
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I feel that I've respond and pointed out the flaws in his posts without lowering myself to having a poo slinging match or thinly disguised jabs.
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Where's the fun in that?
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lol
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Sign into msn for a sec will you if you get a chance.
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I thought Russ's reply was a little brunt but let it go chill - he's a big softie really.
One thing I would say is that there are players out there (I wish I was one) who do not find it human nature to aim as high as they can, who are very disciplined and are happy with a great solid regular risk free income busting up games that they know they can - one you know is Smart Money. Mike still plays 1/2 (albeit 16 tables at a time) even though he has made 250k clear profit. |
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btw how much did yu win on the free golf bet? (if its not common knowledge no probs, but looks like I missed thread)
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Highstack, interesting example.
Smart money is bascially a quality example of what I was saying - he has just moved up to playing 2/4 regularly and I expect him to end at 5/10. |
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in tears of joy or disaster?
btw, wouldn't worry about ari taking too much offence and kicking your ass, he's more likely to try and talk you to death |
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Btw my m8 got a tip from someone for Maisey Daisey in the last at Aintree tomorrow. He doesn't even gamble and I have no clue where he got it from but it's 25/1 so can't go far wrong and don't have to put much on.
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Nah its not that M, its just that I don't want to get done for manslaughter when he collapses mid fight.
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yep but only when significantly more than adequately rolled for it. With Mike's roll I would be playing higher than bluescouse and busto before him. Some of us are born gamblers with no willpower and need to learn/be educated to others dicscipline is more natural.
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Yeah, thats what I was trying to say though with my example of money. $265,000 is enough to play 2.50/5 omaha.
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M" 03 Apr 23:03
btw, wouldn't worry about ari taking too much offence and kicking your ***, he's more likely to try and talk you to death I'd rather he beat me up tbh it would be quicker and less painful :D |
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Did I read that there was a player who was in the top 10 best omaha players in the world sitting on 1/2???
If he was in the top 10 then surley he is actualy losing money when he plays 1/2 as he is not maximising his profits as he is far superior to most. If he was in the top 10 best omaha players in the world surley that would probably make him the best omaha player on Betfair? |
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LOL H!
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Perhaps he is in the top 10 of the 1/2 players - would that be a fairer statement?
Certainly something I think you could apply to Smart Money. |
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Yeah thats a much better way of putting it Highstack.
Does he play much live? |
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Mike or this other guy? I think this plonquer or whatever his name is plays quite a bit live too, Mike not so much due to location
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The one Ariston was on about.
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Gathered from other thread consistent winner live and online for many years but no idea to what level or how much profit.
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not wanting to get into again chillin- no matter how many essays you wish to write. I said opinions are objective and I rate scott very highly. As you correctly say you dont know where hes played or what hes done, you have played a few thousand hands with him. Over the years I have probably played hundreds of thousands of hands with him so I am allowed my oppinion and you're allowed yours. What I snapped at was your "iknoweverything" attitude which has become apparent on the forum in the last few weeks. You didnt say I disagree and I dont think he is in top ten you just said I was incorrect- I am incorrect to have an oppinion? It wasnt a comment even aimed at you but you had to stick your oar in, I was speaking to leeh who again I have known or years. I admire scotts discipline and I wish I had 10% of it- a great player isnt just one who wins the odd big title. I would rather still be in the game in 12 months than win a big title next week and be broke the month after, its taken me many years to realise this and maybe you should try and think about what it would be like to do a real job or 10 an hour or whatever chitty jobs pay.
a few months ago you attempted to ** betfair out of money. You placed a big bet on a golfer and I tried to give you some advice on how to get out of what could have been a sticky situation. You came out smelling of roses and even ended up keeping your ill gotten gains and this now gives you right to have a pop at me and what I believe? Give me your oppinion in say 10 years on who you think is good and who isn't and I will listen to them-I wont just say you are incorrect. When you have at least been round the block once or twice I will listen. I will be surprised if I am totally honest with you if you aint gone bust in the next few months unless you find some discipline- laying Man td the other day??? what a wise waste of a chunk of cash that was. Ok Ive just finished a nice bottle of red and I dont need to get into it with a kid who has had a great chance and is doing his best to p1ss it all away. At least when dubai or hawko go on tilt and do a chunk they have the talent to win it again (then lose it again /lose it again etc) |
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Thread has potential.
Nothing annoys Ariston like a young kid doing ok for himself. Must be gutted. |
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Ariston is right in that the big win whatever it was will easily slip away if you become carefree with it.
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Allez has potential
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Love you too :)
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chilin has a lot of ability for one so young IMHO - agree on comments may have to go busto once or twice though but will be superb player in time imo
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This thread has huge potential and i see many valid points and things that people have missed out on. I shall stay on the fence and continue to admire the beauty of this thread.
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So you've got on your high horse and had a hissy fit about it and you're not going to even justify it now?
I wish i did just post in the april thread my actual mind, instead of trying to explain my opinions and explain why your post was so preposterous. You clearly want this to turn into a poo slinging contest, probably because you are merry off your magnum of crystal that you will be wanting to rub into peoples faces in a minute. For someone who has been around for so long, I'd expect you to appreciate the fact someone went out of their way to not just state that you've just posted absoloute **, and instead to go out of their way to try and justify their opinions I thought with life came wisdom? Manners are important in life, I tried to show you respect as I know a couple of people still look up to you in the poker scene. Maybe when you are sober enough to be able to read my original post and comprehend it all then you will realise this. |
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Silent, can u drop me a mail if you get a chance, i_hate_rocks@h*tmail.com
Need your advice on something if you have a second. |
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allez- nothing annoys ariston more than a yong kid who wouldnt have had 5 to bet with if ariston hadnt told him to get himself out the chit. Ariston is repaid by then being told he is incorrect on anything he has an oppinion on by the young upstart who still aint realised what the world is about. Kid then does his best to** away the golden chance that has been handed to him with stupid bets and bad BRM, even when warned by people older and wiser than him (not just me) he continues to be a buffoon for the forums amusement. Its great to be a forum star but dont forget when the dough runs out your infamy goes with it.
bluescouse is a legend, a broke one but still a legend. Chillin hasn't learnt the lesson yet. |
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time is money, i average 100 an hour so thats 1.6666 per minute or 27 pence per second. Will you pay the 27 pence?
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Obv, I'll paypal it you :)
Might as well make it a round 1 so i can get like 3,95 seconds worth. |