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DaVinci I
29 Jan 10 07:38
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Hi Guys, don't post much on here but read it quite a lot.

Thought I'd bite the bullet and ask for a bit of advice. I am pnly a recreational player so feel free to be as blunt as you like, I have no pretensions to be Phil Ivey.

I realise this is a boring Poker post, but I always mess up with JJ - Should I be calling here? Or should I be passing?

I am also not looking for any sympathy or claiming a bad beat, or indeed highlighting anyone else's play other than my own (I think that is all the disclaimers in place now), just looking for a bit of help from someone with more Poker experience than me.

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 642749131 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee, Level:12 Blinds(300/600-60 ante) - Thursday, January 28, 20:42:01 GMT 2010
*HOT! Turbo Chaser $5000 Guaranteed NLH#334964
Table 4 9-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 8
Seat 1: DaVinci I ( 5,080 )
Seat 2: E V V O ( 5,480 )
Seat 3: ljones ( 3,550 )
Seat 4: Palchinskiy ( 3,402.50 )
Seat 5: mttyy ( 5,102.50 )
Seat 6: sporde69 ( 10,716.25 )
Seat 8: fface ( 1,900 )
Seat 9: PAYTOSEE ( 12,944.51 )
Tourney Level:12 Blinds(300/600-60 ante)
fface posts ante [60]
DaVinci I posts ante [60]
E V V O posts ante [60]
ljones posts ante [60]
Palchinskiy posts ante [60]
mttyy posts ante [60]
sporde69 posts ante [60]
PAYTOSEE posts ante [60]
sporde69 posts small blind [300]
fface posts big blind [600]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DaVinci I [ Jc, Js ]
PAYTOSEE folds
DaVinci I calls [600]
E V V O folds
ljones folds
Palchinskiy goes all-in
Palchinskiy raises to [3,342.50]
mttyy folds
sporde69 raises to [6,085]
fface folds
DaVinci I?

What should i be doing here?

I think it is an auto call, but I cant ever get JJ right?
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Report DaVinci I January 29, 2010 7:40 AM GMT
Also is my Initial Call a stupid play in this situation?
Report the exploding hamster January 29, 2010 8:36 AM GMT
if u r not sure how to play jj and on a forum asking for advice, what the fcuk are you doing in a $55 dollar event in the first place??? playing way above your level you wont learn much apart from a fool and his money.........................
Report the exploding hamster January 29, 2010 8:44 AM GMT
ps with blinds at that level i would push all in as soon as. if i hit the call button by accident i prob would have still called as your opponent is even more short stacked than u and a raggy ace is gold dust to him. that stage in a shove fest get your *****in and if you get called hide behind the sofa until brave enough to look
Report Ovalman. January 29, 2010 8:44 AM GMT
Nice response, puts anyone off asking for any help on this forum.
Report DaVinci I January 29, 2010 8:47 AM GMT
Blimey I guess why people don't post questions to often.

Thanks for your advice. I appreciate it.

FYI I qualified as opposed to buy in directly and maybe I have phrased the opening post badly.

Thanks for your time.
Report DaVinci I January 29, 2010 8:50 AM GMT
Oh and BTW thanks for your second post, I guess that was a bit more what I was hoping for.
Report the exploding hamster January 29, 2010 8:51 AM GMT
sorry. was out last nite. got bit of a stinger.lol. with jacks in that position u are happy with blinds.the only thing u dont want is multi callers.get your *****in and let them worry
Report DaVinci I January 29, 2010 8:54 AM GMT
Np Thanks.

I guess that is my point because I made a stupid initial call of 600, when there are two people go in before I act - Is it still a call? Or should I take my punishment for the stupid initial call of 600 and fold. I don't really want to be up against 2 all ins here do I?
Report joffy January 29, 2010 8:57 AM GMT
Its the 5k turbo the call is car crash and you know that.

Raise plenty to show oppos you cant fold and obviously ship your small remainder in if need be. I prefer this to an all in as the donks often view this as stregnth.
Report joffy January 29, 2010 8:58 AM GMT
And call after the action
Report DaVinci I January 29, 2010 9:16 AM GMT
Cheers Joffy. Appreciate it.

So even after the stupid mistake, it's still a call for you.

I reckon I have just got a mental block about JJ to be honest.

It's just one of them hands that no matter how I play it, I play it badly.

Mind you I don't play other hand any better so I am not sure why I am worried ;)

I guess the good thing about this thread is anyone who didn't have me as a DONK in thier notes now has the chance to update them :^)

Good Luck
Report joffy January 29, 2010 9:24 AM GMT
100% call after mistake.

Nothing wrong with people thinking your a donk just dont play like one
Report DaVinci I January 29, 2010 9:55 AM GMT
For anyone interested here is the hand in full:

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 642749131 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee, Level:12 Blinds(300/600-60 ante) - Thursday, January 28, 20:42:01 GMT 2010
*HOT! Turbo Chaser $5000 Guaranteed NLH#334964
Table 4 9-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 8
Seat 1: DaVinci I ( 5,080 )
Seat 2: E V V O ( 5,480 )
Seat 3: ljones ( 3,550 )
Seat 4: Palchinskiy ( 3,402.50 )
Seat 5: mttyy ( 5,102.50 )
Seat 6: sporde69 ( 10,716.25 )
Seat 8: fface ( 1,900 )
Seat 9: PAYTOSEE ( 12,944.51 )
Tourney Level:12 Blinds(300/600-60 ante)
fface posts ante [60]
DaVinci I posts ante [60]
E V V O posts ante [60]
ljones posts ante [60]
Palchinskiy posts ante [60]
mttyy posts ante [60]
sporde69 posts ante [60]
PAYTOSEE posts ante [60]
sporde69 posts small blind [300]
fface posts big blind [600]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DaVinci I [ Jc, Js ]
PAYTOSEE folds
DaVinci I calls [600]
E V V O folds
ljones folds
Palchinskiy goes all-in
Palchinskiy raises to [3,342.50]
mttyy folds
sporde69 raises to [6,085]
fface folds
DaVinci I calls [4,420]
DaVinci I goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [1,065] to sporde69
** Showdown **
DaVinci I shows [ Jc, Js ]
Palchinskiy shows [ Kd, Ad ]
sporde69 shows [ 8h, 8s ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 7c, 9s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
** Hand Conclusion **
DaVinci I wins 3,355 from side pot #1 with a pair of Jacks
Palchinskiy wins 11,107.50 from main pot with a pair of Kings

So I think it was always going to play out like that regardless of how I played it pre flop. Probably why I was questioning whether I should be folding.

The exit hand at least shows I kind of learned my lesson:

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 642752467 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee, Level:13 Blinds(400/800-80 ante) - Thursday, January 28, 20:46:54 GMT 2010
*HOT! Turbo Chaser $5000 Guaranteed NLH#334964
Table 4 9-max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of active players : 8
Seat 1: DaVinci I ( 2,055 )
Seat 2: E V V O ( 4,120 )
Seat 3: ljones ( 6,580 )
Seat 4: Palchinskiy ( 9,507.50 )
Seat 5: mttyy ( 5,222.50 )
Seat 7: D88888888 ( 3,312.25 )
Seat 8: fface ( 3,100 )
Seat 9: PAYTOSEE ( 17,870.76 )
Tourney Level:13 Blinds(400/800-80 ante)
PAYTOSEE posts ante [80]
DaVinci I posts ante [80]
E V V O posts ante [80]
ljones posts ante [80]
Palchinskiy posts ante [80]
fface posts ante [80]
D88888888 posts ante [80]
mttyy posts ante [80]
mttyy posts small blind [400]
D88888888 posts big blind [800]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DaVinci I [ Tc, Th ]
fface folds
PAYTOSEE folds
DaVinci I goes all-in
DaVinci I raises to [1,975]
E V V O folds
ljones folds
Palchinskiy folds
mttyy goes all-in
mttyy raises to [5,142.50]
D88888888 calls [2,432.25]
D88888888 goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [1,910.25] to mttyy
** Showdown **
DaVinci I shows [ Tc, Th ]
mttyy shows [ 9s, Ah ]
D88888888 shows [ 4d, 4h ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, Jd, Qs ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
** Hand Conclusion **
D88888888 wins 2,514.50 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, Fours
D88888888 wins 6,565 from main pot with three of a kind, Fours

Mind you by then I am so short, I guess I am always getting looked up.

Good Luck all and thanks for the Input.
Report Dooberama January 29, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
just push pre, but youi should definitely call once you limped. I assume you limped to trap and you caught two.
Report jamesbeckton. January 29, 2010 7:14 PM GMT
Shove pre. As played call. I don't think JJ is a strong enough ahnd to limp call with
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