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The standard in the bdo is underestimated and is a bit of a breeding ground for decent
players that move on to the pdc. Stompe/Whitlock/Webster bar 1 year each made minimal impression at the bdo. However, the pdc world field is without doubt far stronger than the bdo. The reason Taylor is so amazing is that the opposition to taylor improves each year and yet he still totally dominates every opponent. This year Lewis and Webster produced averages in the early rounds that would win nearly every bdo title yet Taylor beat both 6-0!!!! |
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How many ppl dream of being the fastest man on earth growing up and how many dream of being abit of a blob who plays a pub game.
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in my opinion i think the answer is in how you interpret the question. it isn't specific enough for me.
Taylor has to be held in greater regard due to his total domination for such a long time. to put a playful example up, if Rick Ashley had knocked Elton John off the number one spot for those 12 weeks and someone said who was better Rick or the Bandit, it would be unfair to even ask the question with so little form. i must say, i am not a follower of darts, but i would think it would be more likely for someone to be able to beat Taylor than Usain if both were on form as a darts player can have a great game and beat someone else having a great game. so i think Usain is less beatable but Taylor has to be given more respect for what he has achieved. i was going to say everyone has heard of JFK but that wouldn't make him the best sportsman but the Pope example is good enough. Usain the most impressive of the two for me, but like i say, i have little interest in darts. |
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I go to the BDO (Butlin Darts Organisation) as I call it, and as much as I enjoy it, it's becoming more and more of a joke.
The door staff are very overpowering and annoying. Coats in the cloakroom, no mobile phones. No mobile phones on at a darts match? It's not a fecking snooker tournament for fecks sake. Just listen to the recent noise at the PDC. Not sure I agree with all of it, but the players get on with it and realise it's part and parcel of it all. The place is tired and the toilet facilities are a joke. The people who run it are a joke too. Redcoats. The Mc Martin Fatzwarren (sorry Fitzwarren) is a joke." Let's play darts" his slogan is tired (like the Ibiza Club anthem they use for the sky darts PDC tourneys). They go round selling raffle tickets to how many people? Maybe 1000? I dont know, maybe more, maybe less and you get 1 prize. A signed darts board by all the players. This is the biggest pi$$ take ever. Worse than scratch cards on Ryanair. The C*ral betting office is a joke - odds scr3wed down to the max. The BBC are a joke. You can't write on cards and put them up to the camera when they come round saying for example, "I love Arbboy." Iin case it offends anybody. Finally, the players. This years PDC is the strongest I've ever known. And hwere have they all come from? Exactly. They realise, the PDC is more money, better competition(s), more professional, more glamour and, most importantly, moving with the times. RIP BDO. |
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I think both are excellent, but for me if every single person in the world had trained all their life to be a darts player I don't think Taylor would still be in the top 100. On the other hand if every single person trained to be a 100m sprinter Usain would still be in the top 100.
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...and probably No 1.
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Wow u think more than 100 people could beat Taylor, none in 20 years yet! That's just a barmy statement sorry but alot more people play darts than u think, even to the point that at some stage most households have a dartboard it just gets put up the loft and gets forgotten because not many people can play to a average standard, nevermind a standard even close to Taylor.
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That's just a barmy statement sorry but alot more people play darts than u think, even to the point that at some stage most households have a dartboard it just gets put up the loft and gets forgotten because not many people can play to a average standard
The world extends beyond these shores. Most people don't have a loft, most certainly don't have a dartboard, and even those that do and have talent have biger priorities than trying to make darts pay. |
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Must be dogs what buy the hundreds of thousands sold each year then!
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Oh yeah only takes 7 years to become an accountant and take home 50k per year, Taylor just about to pick up 200k for 2 weeks work, fu c k trying to make darts pay, s h i t pay.
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Must be dogs what buy the hundreds of thousands sold each year then!
But there are 6bn + people in the world. There are also thousands of accountancy jobs on 50k but only one 200k paycheck in darts. Its only my opinion but darts is a much more arbitary sport than 'running as fast as you can' and consequently the 'world champion' is less likely to be as refined of a selection process because more capable people take up different pastimes or have other priorities. |
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There are also thousands of accountancy jobs on 50k but only one 200k paycheck in darts
Exactly any muppet can be an accountant, There is only one Phil Taylor and always will be. |
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I wouldn't disagree with either of those statements, but it doesn't advance your argument because you can say the same about usain bolt .
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But surely you must agree, you can only measure greatness on achievements, bolt has a long way to go to catch many sportsmen/women yet.
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But surely you must agree, you can only measure greatness on achievements, Agree
bolt has a long way to go to catch many sportsmen/women yet Disagree because the nature of sprinting means you have a small window of opportunity plus he has redefined sprinting by doing it with atypical attributes/technique a bit like if a darts player came along and beat taylor throwing underarm. Dont get me wrong I think taylor is amazing, but I find it hard to believe that if darts were played as universally and with the same rewards and with the same scouting network as say athletics, that he would be a standout player. Of course no-one will ever prove or disprove this. |
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I disagree.
In alot of sports its important to win title afetr title to be proven the best. However in Athletics this aint the case. Usain has SMASHED the World Records and will continue to do so. This has to better than any number of titles because it proves that he is the fastest man ever to have walked on this planet and no medal can contest with that fact. The likes of michael johnson who was a great olympian has had his world record smashed, imagine if the athetics was set up like boxing where as if u beat your opponent u won his medals/belts/trophies he would have everything cos no1 is even close to him. Usain is definately better than phil taylor. Since this is a poker forum, if u was playing poker say in the 80s and crushing the competition can u compare them to some1 whos crushing now. No because the best now is way better because of competition. Phil tayloris facing against people who started the sport when they was probly 18 and went into pub. Usain bolts competition is miilions and millions of people and also kids that are being trained from birth following a lifestyle just so they can excell in athletics and he is destroying them. |
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taylor is special but the adrian lewis situation is quite telling. taylor gave up being his mentor because his attitude was wrong. one reason why taylor dominates so much is that his whole approach mentally is far more serious than the majority of the other competitors. i think he would say he would prefer to be challenged more and he's disappointed by a lot of his colleagues.
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Disagree, tracks, spiked running shoes a massive factor, put him in pumps on a mud track he would struggle to beat Jessie Owens.
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Usain Bolt, and it isn't even close.
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Just like all the swimming records what got smashed at the last games, the new swimwear was the reason not a new breed of great swimmers.
It's not hard to work out the tracks have a massive factor these days when all of the finalists now run under 10secs most of the time, or you believe they are all a new breed of great sprinters? |
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Ladycarla makes a very good point about the equipment involved. Have darts improved over generations though? Do they fly more accurately now than they did 30 years ago, are the wires on the board thinner?
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ladycarla made some good points except the 22:28 one.
i also doubt Jessy Owen would be as exceptional as Usain. rememeber, he is a freak. he shouldn't be able to run nearly as fast as he does... but he does... someone like Bolt won't be along for some while i will speculate. although, as an uneducated athletics observer, he must have been running some world record beating times before the TV cameras hit him. how come we didn't hear of this lightening bolt as he was up and coming? this would lead me to believe there may be others who can almost run as fast but not matured yet. with the greater attention to world health these days and knowing what is good and not good there are bound to be some wonderkids already born now that haven't yet got to the age where they can content yet for loads of sports. this still doesn't take away Taylors domination. i don't see how this can be ignored or compared to with an ongoing 12 month sensation. |
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^ add full stops as required lol.
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"he must have been running some world record beating times before the TV cameras hit him. how come we didn't hear of this lightening bolt as he was up and coming?"
Probably didn't get his, lets call it assistance until he broke into national team. ;-) |
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Bolt (NAP)
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Bolt obviously lol. He is the fastest man on the planet. Taylor has thrown a lot of darts at a board a few meteres away!
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