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Taylor without question, in 10 years time somebody else will hold the 100m record not bolt, Taylor's record will never be matched even with new tech.
bolt at running ,taylor at darts thought that would be obvious !!!
The track's these days make all the difference, would love to know what time owens could do today on one of these tracks, if he could do 10 secs dead on a mud track!! Plus he smoked as well for 40 years.
bolt bolt bolt bolt bolt! the most amazing sportsmen i have ever seen
I remember the commentor saying 'The clock must be wrong he can't just shave 1/2 a second off the world record' after Johnson destroyed the 200m record, just shows what tracks have done to the time.
Taylor has been at the top for 20 years, if Bolt can set records that last 20 years then he is on a par. Would be interesting if bolt decided to take up darts when he stops running.
Maybe Taylor will take up running when he quits darts?!
Bolt's achievements transend his particular sport and are recognized worldwide even to those who have no interest in it, that is the deciding factor for me.
Also, not being funny, but the players who take part in your local pub league are not much different to some of the players who you see in the first few rounds of the darts (and therefore presumbably in the top 100 or so in the world), I doubt you could say that if you walked down to your local athletics track. Another thing is that there are two different world championships at darts. Not saying Taylor wouldn't have won a load if they were combined, but it would have been a lot tougher and more competitive, no way would he have dominated for so long.
`recognised even by those with no interest in it'. What has that got to do with anything?
So because someone gets more media coverage than someone else they are better than them,
in that case beckham is the greatest english footballer of all time.
Taylor is clearly better at his field compared to Bolt.
Taylor has dominated his darts for many years, Bolt in sprinting for considerably shorter and is an area whose credability is bordering on zero.
However, it is highly dubious if either is a sport. Darts has very negligable physical
activity and 100m sprint surely cannot qualify as a skill.
So because someone gets more media coverage than someone else they are better than them,
in that case beckham is the greatest english footballer of all time.
Taylor is clearly better at his field compared to Bolt.
Taylor has dominated his darts for many years, Bolt in sprinting for considerably shorter and is an area whose credability is bordering on zero.
However, it is highly dubious if either is a sport. Darts has very negligable physical
activity and 100m sprint surely cannot qualify as a skill.
Federer without doubt. Thought me and Canaryboy had covered this.
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JPJ 03 Jan 01:38
Federer without doubt. Thought me and Canaryboy had covered this.
You and canary can't judge anymore, too blinkered lol
Federer without doubt. Thought me and Canaryboy had covered this.
You and canary can't judge anymore, too blinkered lol
I love darts have followed it for years TAYLOR in
a world of his own ,there will never be any better,
darts has hardly changed over the years.........
Bolt may not be the man in 10 years ,Athletics, running surfaces,equipment ,Training Diet ETC are big factors that all change ..
a world of his own ,there will never be any better,
darts has hardly changed over the years.........
Bolt may not be the man in 10 years ,Athletics, running surfaces,equipment ,Training Diet ETC are big factors that all change ..
My top three are: Tony McCoy, Tiger Woods and Phil Taylor for the simple reason that they have taken things to another level and forced the others to up their game. I would go for McCoy as my favourite. He constantly has to waste, comes across as very unassuming and his whole drive and example to others is reflected in the current crop of jump jockeys - which must be the best there has ever been. Contrast them with the flat jockeys. Can only be a matter of time before he is knighted.
By the way I'll be at Frimley Green on Wednesday for the Butlins Darts Organisation World Championships. I love darts - as good as football.:)
KBP, where did I mention anything about media coverage? Ask someone around the other side of the world, maybe in some remote village in goodness knows where, if they have heard of Bolt. Pretty fair chance they'll say yes, as he's the fastest sprinter there is. Ask if they've heard of Taylor, and I'm afraid you will just get a blank look. That's my point about achievements transending the sport, and hence the difference for me.
Chop, the most famous person in the world is 'The pope' but he doesn't come in my top100 people in the world for idols/geniuses, now back to who is the best, you have to go on achievements and by a country mile Taylor has not only dominated his sport for over 15 years he is better than EVER! (No other sportsman, past present or future have/will achieve this)
He is the only person when he got to the top of the mountain he saw another peak to climb, whether you like darts or dont think it's a sport the man soul destroys any challenger to his crown.
To put it in context, Bolt would have to win 96% of all major finals for the next 15 years AND break the world record in 15 years time, never ever will he achieve it.
He is the only person when he got to the top of the mountain he saw another peak to climb, whether you like darts or dont think it's a sport the man soul destroys any challenger to his crown.
To put it in context, Bolt would have to win 96% of all major finals for the next 15 years AND break the world record in 15 years time, never ever will he achieve it.
Doob 03 Jan 11:41
Everybody runs ... hardly anyone plays darts.
That's like saying, hardly anybody can run faster than 10.5 secs for 100m so how many has he really got to beat.
Everybody runs ... hardly anyone plays darts.
That's like saying, hardly anybody can run faster than 10.5 secs for 100m so how many has he really got to beat.
And ... I guess there are young 100m runners all over the world training their hearts out in order to match Bolts achievements.
These other darts players like Mardle, Lloyd, Baxter, Painter and Manley are just content coming 2nd to Taylor. Never has their been a sport with such woeful opposition. Only Barney can hold his head up high. I'm hopeful also this Aussie will have a better attitude.
To many darts players are just content singing his praises rather than applying themselves and matching what Taylor can do.
These other darts players like Mardle, Lloyd, Baxter, Painter and Manley are just content coming 2nd to Taylor. Never has their been a sport with such woeful opposition. Only Barney can hold his head up high. I'm hopeful also this Aussie will have a better attitude.
To many darts players are just content singing his praises rather than applying themselves and matching what Taylor can do.
Woeful oppostion, lol Lewis scored 2 180 against Taylor and STILL lost the leg and you think that's woeful!
Yes he still lost so rather going off and wnking off about how great Taylor is he should get back out on that dartboard and make sure he wins next time. Taylor always mentions practice in his interviews, I think even he is embarrassed by the lack of opposition.
I again repeat my point about him only dominating the sport for so long because there are two different world championships.
Doob, you dont really believe these guys dont practise has much as Taylor surely! I would say in most sports number 2 trains alot harder than number 1.
Chop, 2 world championships lmao, the championship players are no match for the premier league players, hence that why they stay in the championship.
That is total rubbish, take away the top few in the PDC and the standard is way better in the BDO.
I understand why women are pishhh at the 100m etc due to their physical makeup , but why are they not any good at darts, doms, pool and snooker ?
I appreciate they might have to use a sports bra to avoid feathering the snooker balls but that should not be a handicap.
I appreciate they might have to use a sports bra to avoid feathering the snooker balls but that should not be a handicap.
chop180 03 Jan 12:13
That is total rubbish, take away the top few in the PDC and the standard is way better in the BDO
WHAT?
Are you watching it the right way round!
Barney got bored beating 2 rate players and moved over to the big boys, is he in the Final tonight?
That is total rubbish, take away the top few in the PDC and the standard is way better in the BDO
WHAT?
Are you watching it the right way round!
Barney got bored beating 2 rate players and moved over to the big boys, is he in the Final tonight?
If they all moved over from BDO, 95% of them would have to get a job.
Barney moved over because of money, please tell me you don't think it was due to the standard?
OMG, if it's money why are they all not moving over!! Why play 50 cents poker if you can easily beat $2.50.
The big money in any sport is where the cream are!
The big money in any sport is where the cream are!
Players like Tom O'shea could move over and earn 10 times as much if he was any good, fact is he's not and he knows it, Barney took a shot cus he was heads above everybody in BDO, not many can take a shot like Barney.
It must be easier to dominate a game only played in a small % of British Pubs.
If Tennis was only played in Britain people would be comparing Murray to Bolt.
If Tennis was only played in Britain people would be comparing Murray to Bolt.
Murray to bolt lol all his major wins are right up there!
"Barney got bored beating 2 rate players"
Really?
He won it in 1998,1999, 2003 and 2005.
What happened in all of the other years he entered?
And as for the standards involved of each, I can't be bothered to work it out, but would bet that the averages of the players in the BDO are at least as good once you take away the first few in each.
Really?
He won it in 1998,1999, 2003 and 2005.
What happened in all of the other years he entered?
And as for the standards involved of each, I can't be bothered to work it out, but would bet that the averages of the players in the BDO are at least as good once you take away the first few in each.
Shirley it should be Phil Taylor v Bolt's chemist?
The standard in the bdo is underestimated and is a bit of a breeding ground for decent
players that move on to the pdc. Stompe/Whitlock/Webster bar 1 year each made minimal impression at the bdo. However, the pdc world field is without doubt far stronger than the bdo.
The reason Taylor is so amazing is that the opposition to taylor improves each year and yet he still totally dominates every opponent. This year Lewis and Webster produced averages in the early rounds that would win nearly every bdo title yet Taylor beat both 6-0!!!!
players that move on to the pdc. Stompe/Whitlock/Webster bar 1 year each made minimal impression at the bdo. However, the pdc world field is without doubt far stronger than the bdo.
The reason Taylor is so amazing is that the opposition to taylor improves each year and yet he still totally dominates every opponent. This year Lewis and Webster produced averages in the early rounds that would win nearly every bdo title yet Taylor beat both 6-0!!!!
How many ppl dream of being the fastest man on earth growing up and how many dream of being abit of a blob who plays a pub game.
in my opinion i think the answer is in how you interpret the question. it isn't specific enough for me.
Taylor has to be held in greater regard due to his total domination for such a long time.
to put a playful example up, if Rick Ashley had knocked Elton John off the number one spot for those 12 weeks and someone said who was better Rick or the Bandit, it would be unfair to even ask the question with so little form.
i must say, i am not a follower of darts, but i would think it would be more likely for someone to be able to beat Taylor than Usain if both were on form as a darts player can have a great game and beat someone else having a great game. so i think Usain is less beatable but Taylor has to be given more respect for what he has achieved.
i was going to say everyone has heard of JFK but that wouldn't make him the best sportsman but the Pope example is good enough.
Usain the most impressive of the two for me, but like i say, i have little interest in darts.
Taylor has to be held in greater regard due to his total domination for such a long time.
to put a playful example up, if Rick Ashley had knocked Elton John off the number one spot for those 12 weeks and someone said who was better Rick or the Bandit, it would be unfair to even ask the question with so little form.
i must say, i am not a follower of darts, but i would think it would be more likely for someone to be able to beat Taylor than Usain if both were on form as a darts player can have a great game and beat someone else having a great game. so i think Usain is less beatable but Taylor has to be given more respect for what he has achieved.
i was going to say everyone has heard of JFK but that wouldn't make him the best sportsman but the Pope example is good enough.
Usain the most impressive of the two for me, but like i say, i have little interest in darts.
I go to the BDO (Butlin Darts Organisation) as I call it, and as much as I enjoy it, it's becoming more and more of a joke.
The door staff are very overpowering and annoying. Coats in the cloakroom, no mobile phones. No mobile phones on at a darts match? It's not a fecking snooker tournament for fecks sake. Just listen to the recent noise at the PDC. Not sure I agree with all of it, but the players get on with it and realise it's part and parcel of it all.
The place is tired and the toilet facilities are a joke.
The people who run it are a joke too. Redcoats. The Mc Martin Fatzwarren (sorry Fitzwarren) is a joke." Let's play darts" his slogan is tired (like the Ibiza Club anthem they use for the sky darts PDC tourneys).
They go round selling raffle tickets to how many people? Maybe 1000? I dont know, maybe more, maybe less and you get 1 prize. A signed darts board by all the players. This is the biggest pi$$ take ever. Worse than scratch cards on Ryanair.
The C*ral betting office is a joke - odds scr3wed down to the max.
The BBC are a joke. You can't write on cards and put them up to the camera when they come round saying for example, "I love Arbboy." Iin case it offends anybody.
Finally, the players. This years PDC is the strongest I've ever known. And hwere have they all come from? Exactly.
They realise, the PDC is more money, better competition(s), more professional, more glamour and, most importantly, moving with the times.
RIP BDO.
The door staff are very overpowering and annoying. Coats in the cloakroom, no mobile phones. No mobile phones on at a darts match? It's not a fecking snooker tournament for fecks sake. Just listen to the recent noise at the PDC. Not sure I agree with all of it, but the players get on with it and realise it's part and parcel of it all.
The place is tired and the toilet facilities are a joke.
The people who run it are a joke too. Redcoats. The Mc Martin Fatzwarren (sorry Fitzwarren) is a joke." Let's play darts" his slogan is tired (like the Ibiza Club anthem they use for the sky darts PDC tourneys).
They go round selling raffle tickets to how many people? Maybe 1000? I dont know, maybe more, maybe less and you get 1 prize. A signed darts board by all the players. This is the biggest pi$$ take ever. Worse than scratch cards on Ryanair.
The C*ral betting office is a joke - odds scr3wed down to the max.
The BBC are a joke. You can't write on cards and put them up to the camera when they come round saying for example, "I love Arbboy." Iin case it offends anybody.
Finally, the players. This years PDC is the strongest I've ever known. And hwere have they all come from? Exactly.
They realise, the PDC is more money, better competition(s), more professional, more glamour and, most importantly, moving with the times.
RIP BDO.
I think both are excellent, but for me if every single person in the world had trained all their life to be a darts player I don't think Taylor would still be in the top 100. On the other hand if every single person trained to be a 100m sprinter Usain would still be in the top 100.
Wow u think more than 100 people could beat Taylor, none in 20 years yet! That's just a barmy statement sorry but alot more people play darts than u think, even to the point that at some stage most households have a dartboard it just gets put up the loft and gets forgotten because not many people can play to a average standard, nevermind a standard even close to Taylor.
That's just a barmy statement sorry but alot more people play darts than u think, even to the point that at some stage most households have a dartboard it just gets put up the loft and gets forgotten because not many people can play to a average standard
The world extends beyond these shores. Most people don't have a loft, most certainly don't have a dartboard, and even those that do and have talent have biger priorities than trying to make darts pay.
The world extends beyond these shores. Most people don't have a loft, most certainly don't have a dartboard, and even those that do and have talent have biger priorities than trying to make darts pay.
Must be dogs what buy the hundreds of thousands sold each year then!
Oh yeah only takes 7 years to become an accountant and take home 50k per year, Taylor just about to pick up 200k for 2 weeks work, fu c k trying to make darts pay, s h i t pay.
Must be dogs what buy the hundreds of thousands sold each year then!
But there are 6bn + people in the world.
There are also thousands of accountancy jobs on 50k but only one 200k paycheck in darts.
Its only my opinion but darts is a much more arbitary sport than 'running as fast as you can' and consequently the 'world champion' is less likely to be as refined of a selection process because more capable people take up different pastimes or have other priorities.
But there are 6bn + people in the world.
There are also thousands of accountancy jobs on 50k but only one 200k paycheck in darts.
Its only my opinion but darts is a much more arbitary sport than 'running as fast as you can' and consequently the 'world champion' is less likely to be as refined of a selection process because more capable people take up different pastimes or have other priorities.
There are also thousands of accountancy jobs on 50k but only one 200k paycheck in darts
Exactly any muppet can be an accountant, There is only one Phil Taylor and always will be.
Exactly any muppet can be an accountant, There is only one Phil Taylor and always will be.
I wouldn't disagree with either of those statements, but it doesn't advance your argument because you can say the same about usain bolt .
But surely you must agree, you can only measure greatness on achievements, bolt has a long way to go to catch many sportsmen/women yet.
But surely you must agree, you can only measure greatness on achievements, Agree
bolt has a long way to go to catch many sportsmen/women yet Disagree because the nature of sprinting means you have a small window of opportunity plus he has redefined sprinting by doing it with atypical attributes/technique a bit like if a darts player came along and beat taylor throwing underarm.
Dont get me wrong I think taylor is amazing, but I find it hard to believe that if darts were played as universally and with the same rewards and with the same scouting network as say athletics, that he would be a standout player. Of course no-one will ever prove or disprove this.
bolt has a long way to go to catch many sportsmen/women yet Disagree because the nature of sprinting means you have a small window of opportunity plus he has redefined sprinting by doing it with atypical attributes/technique a bit like if a darts player came along and beat taylor throwing underarm.
Dont get me wrong I think taylor is amazing, but I find it hard to believe that if darts were played as universally and with the same rewards and with the same scouting network as say athletics, that he would be a standout player. Of course no-one will ever prove or disprove this.
I disagree.
In alot of sports its important to win title afetr title to be proven the best. However in Athletics this aint the case.
Usain has SMASHED the World Records and will continue to do so. This has to better than any number of titles because it proves that he is the fastest man ever to have walked on this planet and no medal can contest with that fact. The likes of michael johnson who was a great olympian has had his world record smashed, imagine if the athetics was set up like boxing where as if u beat your opponent u won his medals/belts/trophies he would have everything cos no1 is even close to him.
Usain is definately better than phil taylor. Since this is a poker forum, if u was playing poker say in the 80s and crushing the competition can u compare them to some1 whos crushing now. No because the best now is way better because of competition. Phil tayloris facing against people who started the sport when they was probly 18 and went into pub. Usain bolts competition is miilions and millions of people and also kids that are being trained from birth following a lifestyle just so they can excell in athletics and he is destroying them.
In alot of sports its important to win title afetr title to be proven the best. However in Athletics this aint the case.
Usain has SMASHED the World Records and will continue to do so. This has to better than any number of titles because it proves that he is the fastest man ever to have walked on this planet and no medal can contest with that fact. The likes of michael johnson who was a great olympian has had his world record smashed, imagine if the athetics was set up like boxing where as if u beat your opponent u won his medals/belts/trophies he would have everything cos no1 is even close to him.
Usain is definately better than phil taylor. Since this is a poker forum, if u was playing poker say in the 80s and crushing the competition can u compare them to some1 whos crushing now. No because the best now is way better because of competition. Phil tayloris facing against people who started the sport when they was probly 18 and went into pub. Usain bolts competition is miilions and millions of people and also kids that are being trained from birth following a lifestyle just so they can excell in athletics and he is destroying them.
taylor is special but the adrian lewis situation is quite telling. taylor gave up being his mentor because his attitude was wrong. one reason why taylor dominates so much is that his whole approach mentally is far more serious than the majority of the other competitors. i think he would say he would prefer to be challenged more and he's disappointed by a lot of his colleagues.
Disagree, tracks, spiked running shoes a massive factor, put him in pumps on a mud track he would struggle to beat Jessie Owens.
Just like all the swimming records what got smashed at the last games, the new swimwear was the reason not a new breed of great swimmers.
It's not hard to work out the tracks have a massive factor these days when all of the finalists now run under 10secs most of the time, or you believe they are all a new breed of great sprinters?
It's not hard to work out the tracks have a massive factor these days when all of the finalists now run under 10secs most of the time, or you believe they are all a new breed of great sprinters?
Ladycarla makes a very good point about the equipment involved. Have darts improved over generations though? Do they fly more accurately now than they did 30 years ago, are the wires on the board thinner?
ladycarla made some good points except the 22:28 one.
i also doubt Jessy Owen would be as exceptional as Usain. rememeber, he is a freak. he shouldn't be able to run nearly as fast as he does... but he does... someone like Bolt won't be along for some while i will speculate.
although, as an uneducated athletics observer, he must have been running some world record beating times before the TV cameras hit him. how come we didn't hear of this lightening bolt as he was up and coming? this would lead me to believe there may be others who can almost run as fast but not matured yet. with the greater attention to world health these days and knowing what is good and not good there are bound to be some wonderkids already born now that haven't yet got to the age where they can content yet for loads of sports.
this still doesn't take away Taylors domination. i don't see how this can be ignored or compared to with an ongoing 12 month sensation.
i also doubt Jessy Owen would be as exceptional as Usain. rememeber, he is a freak. he shouldn't be able to run nearly as fast as he does... but he does... someone like Bolt won't be along for some while i will speculate.
although, as an uneducated athletics observer, he must have been running some world record beating times before the TV cameras hit him. how come we didn't hear of this lightening bolt as he was up and coming? this would lead me to believe there may be others who can almost run as fast but not matured yet. with the greater attention to world health these days and knowing what is good and not good there are bound to be some wonderkids already born now that haven't yet got to the age where they can content yet for loads of sports.
this still doesn't take away Taylors domination. i don't see how this can be ignored or compared to with an ongoing 12 month sensation.
"he must have been running some world record beating times before the TV cameras hit him. how come we didn't hear of this lightening bolt as he was up and coming?"
Probably didn't get his, lets call it assistance until he broke into national team. ;-)
Probably didn't get his, lets call it assistance until he broke into national team. ;-)
Bolt obviously lol. He is the fastest man on the planet. Taylor has thrown a lot of darts at a board a few meteres away!
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