Has collusion been mentioned on this thread?

1) Does betfair poker have any anti collusion software being used?

2) How many people have been thrown off the site for collusion in the last twelve months?

3) If people are found guilty of collusion do they ever get just a warning?

4) If thrown off the site for collusion are any monies confiscated? If yes what happens to that money.

5) Have betfairs legal team confirmed that the data protection act is relevant in collusion issues.

wow thats the most blatant collusion ive ever seen. Wasnt there a few romanains accused of colluding before? new usernames propably!

In cases of conflicting law, (ie DP vs fraud/theft), then the greater need takes precedent. In this case it is a mute point as it would be up to Betfair to enforce action for fraud whereas it would be up to the "**" to enforce & launch separate action for DP issues. Noting that you cannot form a defense for fraud based upon misuse of DP. They would be 2 different legal issues.

The only risk to BF would be if they acted upon fraud, got it wrong, and penalised the innocent and then publicly outed them. This would be incompetence all round and should not be cited as a reason for not pursuing fraud per se.

Given that Betfair's understanding of poker itself is severely limited then the risk of the above to the business would be quite high, and I'm sure the legal department have based their policy on this risk as opposed to what is morally acceptable.

I thought a couple of people have said Bruce has left? Could they find someone worse?

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 599770848 *****
NL $50/$100 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 04, 01:40:09 GMT 2009
Table Capricorn 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: ITILTYOU2 ( $2,000 )
Seat 2: WillyWonky ( $8,777 )
Seat 3: Potty007 ( $3,243 )
Seat 4: partyboooj ( $2,797 )
Seat 5: ubriaco ( $5,936.24 )
Seat 6: LYLU ( $4,900 )
LYLU posts small blind [$50]
ITILTYOU2 posts big blind [$100]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ubriaco [ Ts, Td ]
WillyWonky folds
Potty007 calls [$100]
partyboooj calls [$100]
ubriaco calls [$100]
LYLU raises to [$600]
ITILTYOU2 folds
Potty007 calls [$500]
partyboooj folds
ubriaco goes all-in
ubriaco raises to [$5,936.24]
LYLU folds
Potty007 folds
Returning uncalled bet [$5,336.24] to ubriaco
** Hand Conclusion **
ubriaco wins $2,000 from main pot
************ Game 599770848 ends ************

this is what i had .i limped TT behind on dealer becouse i was tacking a shot at 50/100$ with all my money on the table and i was super scared $ and when the pot was 1600$ i deceided to shove. i didnt raise preflop tt becouse 50% of the time flop will come bad for my pair and bouth fishes + maybe blinds will call my raise preflop and i will lose pot 90% of the time and i cant risck 600$ basicaly for set value when all my roll is 6k. i ask betfair to post the hole hand to see what LYLU had and this whay it will be all super clear if someting its wrong with this hand or not.ps: if u willy wonky corleone skylopez are coluding and take our$$ by **ing that doesnt mean i do the same gl

the software isnt a problem really , most liked it but it was just full of bugs/anomalys that shouldent have taken more than a couple of weeks to iron out - instead they are still present
and if you had the best software in the world it still wouldent help much if the recent management performance and bad decisions carry on - a ferrari is a lovely car but you wouldent want stevie wonder behind the wheel of it would you

Why is there always talk of betfair moving to a different network? Betfair wisely chose to go independent. This was a sensible move. However creating new software fell through so they resorted to buying poker chumps scrapheap. Is it that hard for betfair to back track? Admit your mistake and finally create your own state of the art software. Many people may like the current software but they probably are not aware with the issues you have when upgrading the software. Surely betfair realise the software is not tenable for much longer. If you move to another network then you lose the independence your correctly sought. So create new software, the cost will more than be paid for in new poker revenues. This current software simply is not uptodate. Moving to a different network would be a disaster.

Baracus, who is the new cardroom manager and what does he do?

What exactly is the role of cardroom manager and what are their areas of responsibilty as it sounds like just a face or just the tournament scheduler like I know some other companies use on other networks.

You will have loads of other areas like product development, payments/cashier, customer service, marketing etc. What does he do exactly as it doesn't sound an authoritive role.

I want to see Head of Poker or something that inspires one particular person is in charge of everything (and not Brucie).

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***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 599770848 *****
NL $50/$100 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 04, 01:40:09 GMT 2009
Table Capricorn 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: ITILTYOU2 ( $2,000 )
Seat 2: WillyWonky ( $8,777 )
Seat 3: Potty007 ( $3,243 )
Seat 4: partyboooj ( $2,797 )
Seat 5: ubriaco ( $5,936.24 )
Seat 6: LYLU ( $4,900 )
LYLU posts small blind [$50]
ITILTYOU2 posts big blind [$100]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to LYLU [ Qs, Ah ]
WillyWonky folds
Potty007 calls [$100]
partyboooj calls [$100]
ubriaco calls [$100]
LYLU raises to [$600]
ITILTYOU2 folds
Potty007 calls [$500]
partyboooj folds
ubriaco goes all-in
ubriaco raises to [$5,936.24]
LYLU folds
Potty007 folds
Returning uncalled bet [$5,336.24] to ubriaco
** Hand Conclusion **
ubriaco wins $2,000 from main pot
************ Game 599770848 ends ************


i had AQoff i raized and i didnt called ubriaco's shove becouse its well known hes range there its 22,33,44,55,66,77etc a medium pair and i have no interest to flip for 5k (half of my roll) with anyone + i cant call an allin preflop with aq becouse its my $$ and i dont have to explain to anyone why i protect my stack

Dear Betfair.

Here are links to several old feeback threads, which many forum members/players contributed to before.

NOBODY LISTENED.

Despite people repeating themselves til they were blue in the face, things did not change.

Here are the links. Whoever is looking at them really should take the time to read through everything. And bear in mind some of these were sent up to senior management by email already and changes were promised, but never materialised.

I have email dialogue too if you want it.

Links:

http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/ThreadsFrameset.jsp?forumID=22&threadID=828755

http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/ThreadsFrameset.jsp?forumID=22&threadID=1298986


and finally this, from your OWN thread:

http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/ThreadsFrameset.jsp?forumID=22&threadID=1541648

Quote:

Betfair Poker Tourney Director 06 Jun 17:21

Many thanks to all the players who have offered us their feedback on our leaderboards. We are actively reviewing all suggestions, and whilst we are doing this, we have decided to revert back the recent changes and reinstate the previous structure for the month of June only. This will be fully back up by Tuesday morning at the latest.
Our leaderboards will evolve next month, but we guarantee that we will communicate those changes before implementing them and take into account your feedback. Please look out for a post here in the next two weeks.

We would also like to confirm that the recent additions to the tournament schedule, specifically the $5K gtd Deepstack at 19:45 UK time and the $6K gtd at 21:00 UK time are permanent additions we will not alter the buy-in nor the guarantee. In fact we promise that should the guarantee be exceeded by more then 10% for more then ten days in a row, we will increase the guarantee level.

This did not happen.
You altered the buyins. You altered the guarantees.
You removed the tournaments altogether.


Is it really that difficult to create a good tournament schedule, some decent leaderboards and make customers feel they are being taken seriously?

I look forward to reading your replies, particularly on COLLUSION!

I'd like to play poker here again but as many have said, who would risk their money on a site filled with **s who play here because they know the site does nothing to protect their players?

this was my last post i dont have to explain to you why and how i play.i strongly ask betfair to verify the hands i played this year and to see if there is something wrong or not with the play i made vs any account .i think u just afraid the some other people are coluding like u do with foldy moldy sky lopez m corleone and your band. adio

Like any romanian is going to sit with there whole roll on a 50/100$ table, and then risk a flip for it. Like what does 6000$ buy you in your country? To say you where scared money is a joke, no person who comes from a peasant state like romania sits with 6000$ on a cash table, when thats all they have!

That makes no sense either? Why would you not raise TT initally if you wanted to keep them in the pot but not force them out, when you had the button?? Why would LYLU fold AQ when its 4300 to win 6000 and he has your range as low pairs only. Also note he SNAP folded which makesyour claims even more laughable. Would you be willing to bet at even money that both of your hands are what you've claimed if betfair agree to confirm from their records?

1) Why do you still charge $1 max cake at HU tables. When Pstars +** only charge 50c max.

2) Sort out the bum hunting. Limit people to 1 or 2 tables per limit.

currently at 5/10 - 25 tables open 0 games running
2/5 - 35 tables open 0 games running
1/2 - 30 tables open 3 games running

and if you need proof:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4483/bum1c.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1936/bum2q.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1015/bum3.jpg

and ffs dont moderate the word R A K E!!

I dont see this as obv **, 10 10 could of raised pre,but this would be to steel as if called theirs alot of flops that make for tough decisions, by raiseing he prob going to win a small pot or lose a big pot or even end up laying down the best hand.By flatting he maxes his set mining equity and puts himself in a position of losing a small pot or winning a big pot.When the pot gets sqeezed i guess its reasonable to play for stacks or steel a now half decent pot.

It would be nice if u could make it possibel to make deals on final tabel in tours

As of midnight tonight this thread will be closed.

The Poker Team have monitored and recorded all of your responses throughout the week.

We will be responding to your queries by the end of the next week.

We hope you appreciate that we cannot answer all of the questions however we will be responding to the most commonly asked questions after consulting our senior management team.

They are as follows:-

1) Collusion Response by Liam Church Head of Fraud for Betfair

2) Software issues Response by Daniel Svard Head of Poker

3) Tournament suggestions Response by our Poker Room Activity Team

These Q&A sessions will be happening on a regular basis as your feedback is important to us.

can i respectfully suggest that the "response" in relation to collusion be as detailed as possible and include answers to specific questions as asked by many people - ie how many players have been found colluding on betfair poker, what was their punishment, were monies refunded, if so how much?

A reply containing the words "Data Protection" will be met with scorn and rage. People who play on betfair poker want to know that players are being caught and punished for collusion. Speaking for myself, I won't be returning until there is a sea change in the attitude of communicating the results of your investigations.

Perception is reality. I have the perception you don't give a stuff about collusion.

How can your anti collusion/anti money laundering software not notice things like this? (From this weeks Medium Stakes cash leaderboard)

WEEK 02/11 - 08/11
LAST UPDATED 05/11/2009 10:28:40

Poker alias Points Ranking Country Prize
qwertyuiopa 639154 1 Cyprus $459
pequino 285105 2 Norway $229
OMGplzfold 137888 3 Latvia $164