Would you go easy on a fellow forumite in a satellite?

no bust him hard

Hey Keith

I genuinely wanted you to qualify instead of one of the others that kept talking German to each other but especially after how vocal I was about bethammer soft-playing against me in a satellite, I wasn't gonna do the same.

From memory, I think I only called 4 shoves from you - once when I had AQ, twice with AK and the only time I called light with K4 was SB vs BB when you had about 2k *****to my near 30k, and blinds at 300/600.

To be honest, I think you should have qualified and I was hoping you'd notice what strategy I was using and how bad the other two where when we went 4 handed when, given the chip stacks, I didn't touch your BB in about a dozen orbits yet raised the other 2 guys BB 100% of the time. They stupidly stayed off each other completely even when 3 handed hoping to catch me which of course cost the bigger of the 2 stacks his seat when my J6o crushed his a5.

When we first went 4 handed, I think the stacks were roughly

you: 3k
me: 22k
german1: 9k
german2: 8k

In terms of my own seat, it was ideal for me that you were so short stacked and sitting where you were cos it meant I could pound on the other guys (who would be less likely to gamble against me when you were so short). Then when you were all on similar short stacks I could shove every hand until 3 handed, at which point I can then shove any hand I like the look of or fold to let the other 2 similar shortstacks clash.

Bit of an essay but the long and the short of it was that I wanted you to stay in on the same stack picking up one set of blinds every orbit so you could have readily shoved on my BB every time.

I'm not fussed Bluff (no friends on the poker table imo) just curious.

As I was sat in the seat I was wondering what I would do If i were you and it was a touch off putting!

As it happened i think I only pushed about 4 times and you had a hand every time, but i did wonder if i would get away with pushing much more and you might let me off.

GL Sunday

You were imagining being bluffdaddy and were slightly put off surely not.

Seriously though i think this one is a good topic. I think their is no problems being a bit light in raising into someone you like at the table as opposed to someone you dont which is what bluff prob done.

However he made the right calls to your pushes as well so played fine imo.

IMAKE 20 Nov 10:24

Our first chance to see betfairs new approach to collusion begins with this thread.

Not really. I've made it clear that I didn't touch Keiths BB for purely strategic reasons benefitting my own qualification, not his ie I wanted to get *all* 3 remaining players down to a similarly short stack size so that by the time it went 3 handed (with 2 seats up for grabs) that I had such a significant chip lead that my own qualification was as good as assured.

If I had targeted Keith the same as I did the others then the risk to me would have been that 3 handed, despite my chip lead, the others would only be one double up away from my stack.

The HH shows this is what happened. I raised the other 2 every single hand until all 3 including Keith were all on about 3k-4k and me on 30k, at which point I either shoved every hand (including on Keiths BB) or folded to let the others clash.

I called Keiths shoves every time my hand or stack sizes dictated it was correct to do so but with the strategy employed above, I could argue that folding AQ and AK would have still been strategically correct.

Like I say, I would have liked Keith to qualify but it didn't affect any of my decisions in pots.

Bluffs stratagy is super standard here.

FF I agree 100%.

In general though as I said, its collusion no if's or but's

Simon - technically youre right but the reality (imfho) is most people don't really try to be "clever" against friends, and maybe soft on blinds. I'd comfortably jam v a friend knowing he'll prob keep his calling range quite tight. i know that in dreamteam it was msm city even for the most honest players.

as an a'side your grammar need's urgent sor'ting. ;)

(embarrassed smiley)

and bluf I'm getting the impression you think you're some kind of genius for employing this basic sat tactic. No need to keep waffling on explaining something that is totally standard.

I do think I'm some kind of genius, yes, but it's entirely unrelated to poker.

1. Don't be so silly you can collude unless you have 2 people who have actually spoken to each other and developed a plan.

2. I was just curious as I think if I was in bluffs position, i would have tried my hardest to get my seat and be a nice as posiible to the person i "knew".

3. I just played it normally, as did bluff, it was just during the game i wondered whether or not to adapt my strategy as i thought i may be able to get away with pushing more often than normal as Bluff might go easy on me (this was proved not the case when he called me the first 3 times i did it!!)

satellite way different to cash/ mtt imo

Where is columbo when u need him, he would tell u if there was any wrong doing... he cracked the d2n bandits operation....

I'd try my best to knock out Doobs obv and you and me qualify Simon (as anyone who saw me and Doobs HU at the comp at the empire would testify)

only 1 seat keith ;)

Doobs you cannot say you dont enjoy donking me