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Dooberama
14 Nov 09 00:18
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Both oppos reasonably aggro.

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 604758397 *****
NL $5/$10 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 14, 01:11:20 GMT 2009
Table Carbon 41 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: CHIEF13 ( $494.75 )
Seat 2: PressTheSix ( $1,209.21 )
Seat 3: j0wer8gj893 ( $1,068 )
Seat 4: dingdongboy ( $560 )
Seat 5: Doobs ( $1,042.89 )
Seat 6: ITILTYOU2 ( $1,859.50 )
CHIEF13 posts small blind [$5]
PressTheSix posts big blind [$10]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Doobs [ Kh, Kd ]
j0wer8gj893 folds
dingdongboy folds
Doobs raises to [$35]
ITILTYOU2 calls [$35]
CHIEF13 folds
PressTheSix calls [$25]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 5c, 9s ]
PressTheSix checks
Doobs checks
ITILTYOU2 bets [$90]
PressTheSix raises to [$285]
Doobs folds
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Report FFsmd November 14, 2009 12:40 AM GMT
if had a set here iam betting a little less, so think your kings are good
Report Bamboo November 14, 2009 12:44 AM GMT
I bet he had A9 the other dude flush draw.I reckon the Kings are good but i`m not as good as you.
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 12:58 AM GMT
Good pot control, going broke is spew imo... with hyper agg oppos behind u even betting flops like this can seem bad for ur health. imo ;)
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 1:00 AM GMT
no way they have a9 for a start. possible combo draw, but pre action can easily be a set here, infact set looks the clear fav...

even if u think ur up against a good draw... well ur only flipping...

if u cant lay down KK on this board then on what board can you lay KK down at all?!

anyway just checking flop is fine imo in circumstances whenr u are sitting behind opponents like this who are hyper aggs trained to cause maximum carnage on flops like this... :D
Report argen-toon-a November 14, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
raiser can easily have 78 and just wants to take it now due to flush and boat draws imo
Report Six of Clubs November 14, 2009 1:03 AM GMT
can post flop raiser not have JJ and be raising for info?
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 1:04 AM GMT
doobs is the post flop raiser you blithering idiot.
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 1:06 AM GMT
this is probably why betting flop is better anyway. cause then at least u are up against a 3 and 4 bet rather than just a 3 bet with action back to you. with a bet already u might just get 3 bet/call or 2 calls or something instead of this crrazy betfair flop action.

i miss these games :(
Report argen-toon-a November 14, 2009 1:06 AM GMT
doobs checks post flop you blithering idiot
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
i see betfair customer services edited yours and mine posts from 'pre flop' to 'post flop' just to make me look silly.

I am livid.
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
:^0
Report Six of Clubs November 14, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
shut up you old bag!! :)
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 1:08 AM GMT
I am too tired to think abou this hand, I've no idea what's going on now.

pass me the bacon - bacon you say? yes, bacon. ty. gg

gl
Report argen-toon-a November 14, 2009 1:08 AM GMT
;)
Report argen-toon-a November 14, 2009 1:09 AM GMT
just fold at this time of night ey
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 1:09 AM GMT
Speaking of bacon, this morning i cooked myself 3 sausages, 2 toast, 2 fried eggs, 3 bacon, a pot of beans and 5 hash browns :D

OH YEAH!

g'night u peabrained imbeciles.
Report Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag November 14, 2009 1:10 AM GMT
yeah just fold

it's a call in the morning

cheers :)
Report Six of Clubs November 14, 2009 1:12 AM GMT
i agree with mavis.

a decent fry up is the **!!
Report Six of Clubs November 14, 2009 1:12 AM GMT
ffs bo11ocks
Report chop180 November 14, 2009 1:14 AM GMT
[x] rapidly turning into breakfast of the year post
Report Six of Clubs November 14, 2009 1:15 AM GMT
go to bed chop you old barsteward!
Report chop180 November 14, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
:p
Report Keith A November 14, 2009 8:19 AM GMT
Both these 2 are good players imo and therefore you have to be up against either a set or 2 pair or straight and so fold for me.

Why check the flop tho?
Report o o o o o o o o November 14, 2009 12:42 PM GMT
Possibly a good fold but i sense a bit of scared money, would you have made the same fold at nl200, if u cant afford to drop 1 buy in with kk on that board then i guess your playing too high...
Report Dooberama November 14, 2009 1:02 PM GMT
Good read on the scared money :|

I figured ITILTYOU2 would never resist betting on a board like that so why not just let him and check raise him. I was doing a ffs when the reraise came, and I kind of hated folding, but figured one of them would likely have me beat or I would have to dodge a ton of outs.

As it was PressTheSix had 7c8c and ITILTYOU2 had QQ, and they ended up all in on the flop. I congratulated myself on getting away so cheaply and then a K came on the turn and a 5 on the river. I hate it when that happens.

Doobsnit
Report o o o o o o o o November 14, 2009 1:18 PM GMT
just shows how playing scared can cost u, at nl200 im sure u would of shoved there and took your chances, stick to lower levels imo...
Report canaryboy November 14, 2009 1:24 PM GMT
blimey how often does shoving with KK 3 way on that board with that action show profit?

worst board you can get surely
Report o o o o o o o o November 14, 2009 1:35 PM GMT
What kind of flop do u want to see with kk though, on any flop someone could have a set, that guy got it all in with QQ it was just unlucky the other guy had 78 for the straight, as i said if u cant afford to drop 1 buy in there your obv playing to high....
Report canaryboy November 14, 2009 1:51 PM GMT
oh its not just the sets that worry me

mostly down to the 2 pair and straight possibilities too

people love to call raises with suited connectors

had the flop been 35J then it's a no brainer
Report Dooberama November 14, 2009 2:12 PM GMT
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Report Six of Clubs November 14, 2009 2:15 PM GMT
i love the head in hands man!! :D
Report argen-toon-a November 14, 2009 2:17 PM GMT
is it just me or does the head in hands man look like capello


good read by me on the raiser ;)
Report Dooberama November 14, 2009 2:28 PM GMT
I was thinking afterwards that if pressthesix had just called I could have got in a real mess. I think leading is probably better than check raising as if ITILTYOU2 was going to bluff at this, he would probably reraise me anyway. If only hec ould have found a reraise pre :(

As it was checking worked out best, but probably for the wrong reasons.

And head in hands wasn't meant for Canary, it obviously is the kind of boards that hits a lot of callers at this level pretty hard.
Report Waheyyyy November 14, 2009 2:28 PM GMT
has oooooooo just started playing poker by any chance :)
Report o o o o o o o o November 14, 2009 3:41 PM GMT
What i was getting at was if dobs was playing nl200 he wouldnt have given up on the hand so easy, if hed had got the money in there he would of been sitting on 3k so it would of been a good move. obv sometimes your gonna be behind to 2 pair or set or the guy drawing to his flush hits but u got to play your hand and not be scared, i hate nits...
Report canaryboy November 14, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
why is it a good move to get your money in miles behind?
Report o o o o o o o o November 14, 2009 3:54 PM GMT
How do u know your miles behind there?
Report Waheyyyy November 14, 2009 4:01 PM GMT
You might not be. But probably after the flop you're flipping at best a lot of the time. Imo :)
Report canaryboy November 14, 2009 4:03 PM GMT
ffs this guy is a wind up

he gives a results oriented post about sitting on 3k and totally ignores it being an awful play lol
Report Waheyyyy November 14, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
Looking at some of his poker-related posts on other threads though, I'm not surprised lol.
Report richpickns November 14, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
given you checked the flop with KK on that board in a raised pot i dont see u doing it with the intention to check raise, so by taking a defensive checking line you should just fold when its on you

i would have bet the pot on the flop personally as checking is giving control of the pot away when you have a hand which could be ahead. often these boards look really scary but a bet can win it, obv if u get a lot of action then u have to fold to another bet

i think its not even a difficult fold the way it played out
Report o o o o o o o o November 14, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
Show me one of my posts that make no sense, everyone has a right to there own opinion on things or everyone would just play poker like robots and no one would ever make any money. my post here was that doobs was playing with scared money at a level too high, at a lower level he would of stayed with the hand, i dont think he can honestly say he wouldnt...
Report Waheyyyy November 14, 2009 4:14 PM GMT
Umm, doesn't he play that limit regularly !?! So hardly scared money.
Report o o o o o o o o November 14, 2009 4:22 PM GMT
Im not bothered whether he plays it regularly or not, it was a weak play cos of the amount of money involved, if he calls the raise and they go to turn he hits set of kings and then the moneys all going in there anyway even though hes still behind to the str8 which we dont know the guys got anyway, the worst case scenario is you lose 1 buy in, i repeat 1 buy in, if your playing at your correct level and bankroll this should be no big deal.....
Report richpickns November 14, 2009 4:23 PM GMT
its no about scarred money its about not doing ur money when out of position on a massivley drawing/made board and facing a bet and a reraise before it even gets to u

putting ur wole stack on the line here with KK in a cash game is massively leaky to me
Report Waheyyyy November 14, 2009 4:27 PM GMT
^^Rich^^ ! Though I have a sneaky suspicion Doobs was ahead, else we wouldn't be seeing this thread lol.
Report o o o o o o o o November 14, 2009 4:27 PM GMT
I never said he has to put whole stack on the line, but to just give up cos some one raises big isnt always best play either, if the regs at this level know hes gonna fold big hands to a massive raise then hes gonna get run over all the time, i can smell scared money a mile away...
Report Waheyyyy November 14, 2009 4:34 PM GMT
o o o o o o o o Btw, I can't find any posts, I musta got you confused with someone else lol. Soz :)
Report Bruce Wayne November 15, 2009 9:07 PM GMT
get it all-in and hit like you usually do imo
Report reactive November 16, 2009 11:39 AM GMT
you have $35 invested in the pot and now you reckon he needs to go broke here , sick minds play betfair this is such an auto fold with the stack he is playing even if he is ahead he is probably got a margin of 3 or 6 % , there is so many better opportunities to get your money in total no brainer hu find u can make a case for staying in the hand with 2 other players get out of dodge asap
Report McCoy Carp November 16, 2009 11:43 AM GMT
What is nit?
Report argen-toon-a November 16, 2009 12:19 PM GMT
nit = tight**
Report McCoy Carp November 16, 2009 12:27 PM GMT
ok, thanks.
Report o o o o o o o o November 16, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
sick minds play betfair this is such an auto fold with the stack he is playing

He is playing with 1 normal size buy in he is not sitting with a massive stack, no one has said he has to go broke, but he gave up on the hand cos of the amount of money involved, not questioning his play, each to there own, all i said was if he had been playing at a lower stake he would have continued im sure to the turn at which point the moneys going in...
Report Kenneth Bell Plum November 16, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
100% bet flop.
With this action pretty tough. There are a million drawing hands that you are in ok shape against Press The Six and you said the other guy would stab a high % of time so getting it in not too bad.
Against tighter players then as played easy fold.
Ps. Surprised Press The Six only had the nuts with a draw to a better nuts.
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