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richpickns
09 Nov 09 16:01
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Two tricky spots

Tricky Spot One

30k GTD Deepstack £109 - 363 players 40 paid 53 left

Hero has 30k
Villain has 20k - he has a 36% roi over 110 stts at $34 average stake and seems a very solid good player, nothing untoward in his plays that I have seen
Blinds 400/800 with antes

Hero had AJ off on bb, villain raises to 2,000 in seat before cut off and you flat call

Flop Js5d6d

You lead out for 4k into a 5k pot, villain flat calls

Turn kd (urgh horrible card) and you check, villain now bets 5k into a 13k pot leaving himself 9k behind - what is your move?

Tricky Spot Two

30k GTD Deepstack £109 - 363 players 40 paid 36 left

Hero has 75k
Villain has 65k - no available stats on Sharkscope for him but has played very solidly and always shown down good hands when he has got involved or reraised

Hero SB AQ sooted
Villain BB
Blinds 1000/2000 with antes

Everyone folds and you make it 5,500 to go, villain thinks for a while and makes it 17,500 - what is your move?
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Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 4:28 PM GMT
Presume we dont have Ad in hand 1?

Pass (Dont like the hand up to here either)
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 4:37 PM GMT
yeh no diamond in hand one
Report HU SUPERSTAR November 9, 2009 4:39 PM GMT
both fold
Report epicurean November 9, 2009 4:57 PM GMT
Can't imagine the two clonks hu in the world final later putting down either hand . Woud not think twice.
Report epicurean November 9, 2009 4:57 PM GMT
Would.
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
sorry epicurean i have no idea what you are saying?
Report epicurean November 9, 2009 5:09 PM GMT
Well David Moon called for half his stack with six left in the final with k9 off and outdrew qq.
Report Roll_Deep November 9, 2009 5:09 PM GMT
Ship em both standard.
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:10 PM GMT
Its darvin not david.
Report epicurean November 9, 2009 5:17 PM GMT
Correct Tony . I have a touch of the Gordon Browns.
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
id prob fold them both lol
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 5:20 PM GMT
1st one looks like ur crushed and in second one aq is such a horrible hand
Report epicurean November 9, 2009 5:24 PM GMT
The so called genius went out with A8 off. Thought the wold of it ,he was only beating kq or a bluff . Phil Ivey that is.
Report epicurean November 9, 2009 5:25 PM GMT
world.
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:25 PM GMT
Ummm didnt he go out AK vs AQ?
Report Choristar_Is_Champ November 9, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
The first one is a definite fold, the 2nd is more interesting, if as you say he's been very solid it's a probably fold. A flat calls a no no for me, without flopping a flush or straight you wont know where u are
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 5:34 PM GMT
he went out ak vs aq. He lost a pot a8 vs 33/44 vs Cada when Cada shoved for an amnount where Ivey was ridiculously committed.
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
But yeah ivey is no genius......
Report epicurean November 9, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
Correct Tony .Misinformed .
Report Rowland Browning November 9, 2009 5:38 PM GMT
1 reraise pre
2. all in
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 5:38 PM GMT
I didnt realise hand 1 was blidn on blind. I am afraid we ahve to shove then because they should be playing back at us with such a wide range.
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:40 PM GMT
That is a ridiculous statement beckton
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 5:42 PM GMT
the interesting thing about the first one is figuring what he has - i quite liked the flop as i have top pair top kicker but I really didn't like his flat call. i am not worried about a flush really, more worried about a set or an overpair and more likely a set as an overpair would likely reraise me on the flop

i dont think he is the kind of player to call with AK on that flop after i bet just under the pot so the king isnt too much of a worry either, unless he has kj. hands i put him on are a set, kj or overpair with a leaning towards a set

anyway i folded on the turn - i just doesnt see how i can be ahead when he leaves himself 9k behind when he makes the turn bet
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 5:42 PM GMT
hand 1 isnt blind on blind 'villain raises to 2,000 in seat before cut off '

hand 2 is
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 5:42 PM GMT
why? In a blind vs blind dynamic aq is usually ahead. If someone raises the sb then the bb will ofetn rr very light because it is very hard for the sb to flat call oop and they are forced to shove or pass.
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
But you said they SHOULD be
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 5:44 PM GMT
yes if they are any good they should be reraising light
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 5:45 PM GMT
beckton if u read the post in hand 2 the player is a very solid player and not the type to reraise light

i have invested 5,500 with AQ - do I want to put my whole game on the line with it?
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
'yes if they are any good they should be reraising light' - strange statement as its totally player dependent, i dont agree that if they are good they shd be reraising light - i wd argue the opposite
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
All i can say about hand 2 is....

What was the plan? Did you not have a plan for if you got 3bet?
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
You dont have to re raise light out the blinds.

Playing the the blinds is one of the Key points to MTTs
Report Rowland Browning November 9, 2009 5:49 PM GMT
defo want to put your game on the line.
youve cashed and now you need to go up the ladder for the business end.
even a rock has a bigger range than you need here.

also, hand 1 chk raising the flop would seem better than leading out which widens his range enormously.
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:51 PM GMT
Rowland just knows and stuff.
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 5:54 PM GMT
If we do not ship it in with aq then we are missing a valuable opportunity to acvcumuklate *****
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 5:57 PM GMT
Ok my views on 2nd hand

Make it 4,900/5,000/5,100 Pre

Have a plan!
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 6:00 PM GMT
what would be ur plan for hand 2 then? Bet /fold?!!!
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
yeh i considered check raising the flop with the Aj but then I am effectively committing my entire stack which I am not too keen on

with AQ i made it 5,500 with the intent to push if he raised big but his 3 bet seemed so calculated that i was unsure i was ahead - i doubt very much he makes this move with aj/a10/kq etc so i passed
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
What? Why the attack?

I would have a plan if it was me thats what i am saying. Whether it would be R/F R/C R/4B
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
i hate the idea of taking a coin flip for my tourny in the blinds with AQ against a very solid player, i want to avoid coin flips and wait for easier opportunities to accumulate *****
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 6:04 PM GMT
looks like he has just pressed the pot button in second hand
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
i agree that playing the blinds is key in mtts Montana
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
I meant playing in the blinds. Same thing
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
What site was this?
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
Mansion
Report jamesbeckton. November 9, 2009 6:11 PM GMT
I think in the later stages of mtts it is near impossible to avoid flips and if we try then we will never accumulate enough because we will fold thign 'oh it is probably a flip'
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 6:20 PM GMT
i also have a slightly illlogical hatred of AQ after busting out of many mtts with it lately when i was ahead 90% of the time - sigh

i dont like the way i played hand 1 but not sure what the best line was - reraise pre? check raise flop ? lead out? reraise turn? i just dont like the whole hand
Report Tony Montana2 November 9, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
Ok hand 1

Why did you call? Rather than fold or RR
Report richpickns November 9, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
in hand one i didnt rr because i dont want to play a big pot out of position against a solid player with aj. i didnt fold because i was getting about 3-1 with a decent hand
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