What's right here ?

Does he not have to make a minraise?

I think it is fine. If the player in front folded I think his bet would stand.

I think the player raising has changed the action so he is allowed to change his bet. He can fold, call or raise.

Oh ok I was wrong.

I no obv his bet stands if no action bfor him, but didnt know he was able to retract it and certainly not increase it once the correct player plays.

I must spend less time at the bar i spose

ruling does vary on out of turn verbal action
the one we use is
Any out of turn action may be binding and will be binding if the action hasnt changed when its that players turn to act, folding or calling isnt classed as action changing (words to that effect)

basically it means that if no one has raised before it comes back to him then his previous declaration or bet stands , however if the action has changed (raised) then he has the usual options of fold,call or re raise - player should be reminded to keep in turn and may face penaltys if he makes the same mistake in future

variations i have seen include allowing the out of turn player only non aggressive action on that street (can only call) i have seen a rule extending that non aggressive to the whole of that hand
i have also seen the rule where if he is raised then he must make the call and cant fold assuming the raise was lower or equivelant to his announced raised or min raise if no amount mentioned (just said raise)

Thanks Karl

Once again another cry for one set of rules only.

It appears here that the donks were indeed correct in there ruling so fair play to them. Much to my amusment after the arguments they both got it all in pre with KQ V A3 though.

BE honest joffy. U were the bad breath guy weren't u??

a3 FTW :D