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07 May 14 19:56
Date Joined: 05 Apr 05
| Topic/replies: 28,704 | Blogger: marychain1's blog
Dear Betfair,

you seem keen to be taken seriously as a bookmaker but your "efforts" at pricing up the Giro d'Italia has been embarrassing and annoying.

As I write we are less than 48 hours away from the second biggest Grand Tour on the calendar, and you Betfair have three markets up on the sportsbook, two of which are virtually pointless.

There is more interest in this edition of the Giro than ever before because of the Big Start in Belfast, and the three stages in Ireland; on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. A few markets have gone up slowly over the last few days on the exchange, but liquidity is not great, partially because the markets have been so slow going up.

On the sportsbook we have No top 3 market, no top 6 market, no top 10 market. No markets for any stages. No points jersey classification no Irish rider specials. No nationality of winner. No head to heads. No w/o Quintana or w/o the big two markets. No Sky specials.

And the only two markets that you have priced up other than the outright winner are a total joke. If you were going to price up any other two markets why the suffering f**k would you choose the mountain jersey and the youth classification??? The mountain classification is a total lottery (as always) and the least interesting as a betting proposition as it has no real impact on team tactics or the way the race pans out. The youth classificationyou have made win only, which makes no sense. As the whole race's odds on favourite (Quintana) also qualifies for the youth classification, it makes the youth market virtually redundant. At least have the common sense to allow each way bets, or have a youth classification without the overall race favourite, because at the moment you won't take any bets on that at all.

The points classification is the second most important jersey so should be the second market you price up. We also need Top 3 and Top 10 (preferably also top 6).

I'm sure you will turn round and say that the low amounts matched/gambled on cycling mean it is of low priority. Well that maybe true, but how are we supposed to bet on it if the markets only go up the day before a Grand Tour of which the route has been known for months and the teams for days if not weeks in most cases?

Sort it out,

love your frustrated cycling betting customers.
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Report Kriskin May 8, 2014 12:26 AM BST
Good post
Report SwingingPick May 8, 2014 1:41 AM BST
It is quite frustrating indeed that BF fail, time and again, to support the growing number of cycling betting customers. The very fact that other betting companies are beginning to open markets on cycling races throughout the year, for instance nearly all, if not all, World Tour races have been framed this year -- shows that cycling betting is growing as a real interest, and with BF having the benefit of a forum and therefore of a community to grow, one would think that taking the sport seriously as per the points made by the author of this thread -- would be of importance. Confused

I cannot agree more with the points under discussion in this thread, and plead with BF to be more thoughtful in their approach to framing cycling markets.

Report cedarmaster May 8, 2014 8:24 PM BST
hats off to £3.65 gonna try some match bets

Wouter Poels to beat Steven Kruijswijk  both 1.83

Robert Kiserlovski to beat Fabio Aru  @ 2.0

Rafal Majka to beat Domenico Pozzovivo  @ 2.20
Report marychain1 May 8, 2014 8:59 PM BST
Absolute disgrace Betfair -

no top 3 market
no top 10 market
no points jersey market ShockedLaugh

These three omissions are embarrassing and show Betfair to be a two-bit, half-arsed, mickey mouse bookmaker.

No top 3 market for stage 1. No each way bets allowed either. Why do they bother ffs? Angry

Just so poor...

I have had all my bets on these markets with Bet £3.65 instead Cool
Report marychain1 May 9, 2014 8:52 PM BST
sweepstake on when stage 2 gets priced up? I'll go 2am
Report marychain1 May 10, 2014 12:16 AM BST
Betfair sportsbook markets update.

00.15 on Saturday day of Stage 2 (9.20am start) NO Giro d'Italia markets available at all LaughLaughLaugh

Betfair you should be ashamed Cry
Report SwingingPick May 10, 2014 2:22 AM BST
Just more disappointment from a bookmaker that seems not to care about its loyal customers. Sad
Report marychain1 May 10, 2014 9:40 AM BST
And the hits just keep on coming

Stage 2 turned in-play an hour early

Report Dope May 10, 2014 11:00 AM BST
Who cares about the sportsbook, there are plenty of real sportsbooks around - to be honest the jokes on you if you're actually surprised the Betfair sportsbook is abysmal for cycling betting.

As for starting the stage early, the information for stage 2 was 9:05am at the start meeting point (with I believe a 9:35am official start)... it wasn't stated that this was GMT and not BST - so Betfair, and a number of bookies, were an hour early closing/starting their markets. Forgivable.

If they're an hour early tomorrow, lay into them for sure.
Report marychain1 May 10, 2014 11:14 AM BST
I'm not surprised about Betfair's inadequacy. But it doesn't mean I have to accept it. Frankly, I don't understand your point.

If no-one kicks up a fuss they will just carry on serving up the same old shyte. Why are you so happy to just accept their sub-standard mediocrity? "yeah it's crap, but what can you do?" Good attitude.

Yes, the exchange is most important but at some point in this race I'm going to wanting to get some each way bets on some stage winners and its very much in my interest (and all of ours as punters) to have Betfair s/b as an option.

Even today, when the sportsbook finally got up, Bouhanni was available at 13/2 here where he was 5/1 or 6/1 in many places and there was no liquidity in the top 3 market.
Report Ovalman. May 10, 2014 12:59 PM BST
I thought Betfair based their Sportsbook on the Exchange prices Confused

I've always thought it was for the simple minded that couldn't understand how to lay a bet and always offered less prices than the exchange with 5% commission?

Added markets are a different matter but if there's no liquidity then it's silly spreading the cash further?

I get your points but if there's no-one betting then there's no point running.

I'll be watching today, I'm slightly hooked by the sport and never thought I'd enjoy it. Don't think I'll bet though, I know absolutely nothing about these riders.
Report marychain1 May 10, 2014 1:22 PM BST
no the sb is completely separate. Prices generally (but not always) worse, but you can (or should be able to) bet each way so can be useful for sports like cycling for example, or golf.
Report marychain1 May 17, 2014 9:53 AM BST
No Moreno or Kelderman in the Stage 8 Sportsbook market. These two are as short as 18/1 and 12/1 elsewhere but you haven't put them in, despite the fact that they are two well known climbers and I emailed you about this at 22.00 last night.

Not good enough Betfair.
Report KIMBLE May 18, 2014 12:39 AM BST
here is how im treated on the sportsbook

Dear Sir / Madam

We are writing to you with regard to your Betfair Sportsbook account.

Having reviewed your account, we are notifying you that your account will not be eligible for Betfair Sportsbook promotions in future.

We can assure you that this decision has only be taken after careful consideration and that it does not affect your ability to play and claim bonuses in the Betfair Exchange and Betfair Gaming channels unless stated specifically by the respective teams.

Kind Regards

Betfair Customer Services

Helpdesk Tel: 0844 871 0000
Ireland Tel: 1 - 800 944 000
Australia Tel: 1300 238 324
Free Fax (Australia) 1- 800 507 774
International: +44 203 059 8888
Twitter: @BetfairHelpdesk
This customer services email is sent by Betfair Limited on behalf of one or more Betfair Group companies.

Betfair Limited | Winslow Road | Hammersmith Embankment | London | W6 9HP.

Registered in England and Wales under company number 5140986.
Report marychain1 May 18, 2014 8:52 AM BST
I won the snooker competition on the snooker forum and got a £50 free sportsbook bet which I put on Uran at 18/1 £25ew. If that wins I will be expecting a similar email then.
Report marychain1 May 18, 2014 8:54 AM BST
Kelderman 3rd yesterday and wasn't in Betfair sportsbook market, despite me emailing them the night before.
Report SwingingPick May 18, 2014 10:13 AM BST
Very disappointed to learn that these types of situations are continuing.
Report marychain1 May 18, 2014 10:26 AM BST
Cameron Meyer in the exchange market for Stage 9 despite having abandonded on Stage 8. This is not good enough - especially as the rules state "bets stand whether they run or not".

Take the abandonded riders out of the markets then ffs
Report Janthefish May 21, 2014 10:13 PM BST
Betfair are abandoning their roots. In the Exchange punters bet/lay their fancies but Betfair are so greedy they concentrate on Sportsbook. Actually they're not greedy- they're stupid as they could have the best of both if they were clever.
Report marychain1 May 22, 2014 4:41 PM BST
Incorrectly settled by Evans top 3 lay in Stage 12 as a winner.

He came 3rd.
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