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***CONTADOR WINS THE TOUR DE FRANCE 2013***
***CONTADOR WINS THE TOUR DE FRANCE 2013***
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clay - remember old bertie "won't" have the drugs this time
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Clay why do you keep quoting Froome's form from the vuelta???? When it's obvious he was nowhere near his best, he was shot after 7 stages. The reason for this, he rode a podium at the TDF, he then rode the road race at the olympics, he then rode a medal in the TT at the olympics!! All this just a week or 2 before the vuelta. He put everything in to the TDF and the Olympics, everything, he was not expecting or planning to be riding the vuelta last year.
Do you not understand that Froome had emptied himself by the time the vuelta came round. He was riding against 3 men who were fresh, who had targeted the vuelta for months. Froome and sky went there as an afterthought and it was a mistake, they should not have done it but fair play to them for giving it a go. I take it you are just on the wind up, so well done you got me. |
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I don't think it was an afterthought. It was more Grand tour practice for Froome, and importantly, practice leading a team in a Grand Tour. Sky were well aware that there was every chance he'd get beaten, but that he'd be much better coming into the 2013 Tour with the Vuelta under his belt.
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Well said Happybacker -- I too suspected ClayDavis is having a laugh -- the evidence just isn't present for a confident bet with Bertie. You and marychain1 have properly settled this matter, and I am convinced, so thanks for taking the time to make your thoughts known.
Cheers, SP |
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Happybacker - i'm afraid when assessing the chances of an odds on shot u must consider all the form available. I have factored in Froome's tiredness - Valverde was also at the TDF - and Bertie being less than 'match fit'.
There are factors to Froome's defeat in Spain other than tiredness and anyone with even a small knowledge of cycling would realise this. Froome does, as does Rodriguez and Contador. I think Contador will win the Tour, you don't. We will soon find out. But to write off the Vuelta is silly, very silly |
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So go back to last year's TDF thread. The majority in there were saying Wiggo was the best and there was no way Froome could take him and the wee bursts of 30 or 40 secs from Froome meant nothing and Wiggo would always pull him back. My oh my how people have changed their opinions. So would those on last year's TDF thread come out and apologise for spouting such tripe or will they accept Froome is the worst odds on shot for a Grand Tour? I will out them if they don't do it themselves.
Last year's Vuelta...Bertie is finished. No chance. Won't win. Rodriguez way too good. Blah blah blah. Oh how we laughed and smiled at collecting with the wonderful Bertie. And those making the comments didn't say 'I was wrong' - they disappeared from the forum. Tail between their legs. So I back my opinion over 95% of the opinions on the cycling threads here. |
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Your argument does not make sense. Its perfectly possible to believe that Wiggins was the better rider of the two last year AND that Froome is a valid odds on shot based on this year's course and competition.
The two positions are NOT mutually exclusive. Why would they be? |
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marychain1 - last year's TDF was p!ss poor
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Yes, they are two different events, hence my point. You can say last year's was poor, but Wiggins won it by miles...
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Chris Froome is odds on but things happen. Today he cut his right knee before the official depart.
I have a few bets on Rolland for GC (incl 800s). A team time trial and hilly time trial not too much of a disadvantage. Team strength might not count for as much this year with Aple d'Huez x 2 and Mont Ventoux. |
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Clay i have not backed Froome as i also believe odds on is ridiculous in a gruelling 3 week race, i've merely been stating that he will barring accidents, win. Because his form of this season is far superior than anyone else's, and the TDF is almost always won by the rider in form that season.
You can't seriously believe that Valverde rode the TDf like Froome rode the TDF last year?? Valverde was merely riding it to get in shape for the vuelta, only really attacking one stage, he wanted a stage victory and he got just that. where as Froome rode for gc, attacking vurtually everyday, putting everything he had in to it and then emptied himself again at the olympics. So yes i think you can totally discount Froome's form in the vuelta. And i don't know what was said on your thread last year, but there was no way Froome would have beat Wiggins the form Wiggo was in last summer. And yes it was a weaker field last year in terms of the depth of quality, but Wiggins and Froome were miles ahead of Nibali, and if Nibali was here this year i would fancy him to beat everyone bar Froome! |
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I've layed Rolland @ 180 and 130, he has to gain 10' in an escape to have a chance even for top 5, neither class nor form to stand with the big guns
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"where as Froome rode for gc, attacking vurtually everyday, putting everything he had in to it"
Happybacker - u must have been watching a different TDF to me? Froome was on the leash for most of the race and only briefly attacked in one of two stages for a short period of time as if to make a point |
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Clay, I think Happy means at the points in the race at which it was appropriate, Froome was at the front keeping the tempo high and therefore making it difficult for others to launch full on attacks. In other words, one of the primary jobs of the Domestique. Personally, wouldn't touch Froome at odds on with a barge poll.
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Launch full on attacks? Who? No one was capable of it in last year's TDF. Sky knew the only person capable of beating Wiggo was in their own team ffs
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I'm against Froome, currently 1.75, the lowest price he has traded at. Tactically, I reckon he's a cog short of a full cassette.
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WTF was he doing yesterday? Insane!!!! I'm massive red on Froome, even more so after yesterday's amatuerish antics
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The 25 km team time trial is next. Sky will be fancied. I estimate about 28 minutes (average 53.6 kph).
But a cyclist is eliminated if he is > 11% over the time if the average speed is > 50 kph. Will Sky crank it up and eliminate Geraint Evans? I doubt he would find 50+ kph comfortable. |
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* Thomas ffs.
 I got the difficult bit right. |
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Kincsem they say Geraint Thomas has small fracture of the pelvis, so i'd think there is no way he will be able to complete a grueling 3 week tour, is amazing he has been able to finish the last 2 days! I'd imagine he will give it his best tomorrow but find the pain too much and i'd expect him to pull out after tomorrows stage. There is no way Sky will be taking it easy to wait for him, they will be going full gas for certain.
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Contador is one of the all time great dopers, can't call any GT winner since 1990 an all time great. By that reckoning Armstrong must be an all time great then, much greater than Contadope.
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Sky are only 3rd fav after Garmin and OPQS to win the TTT
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lurka - don't talk rubbish. Contador is not a doper
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Contador brilliant on the TTT
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ClayDavis 02 Jul 13 13:35 Joined: 07 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 6,229 | Blogger: ClayDavis's blog
lurka - don't talk rubbish. Contador is not a doper of course not, its the cows who doped, he just ate them |
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Kimble - what very low levels and something to help his asthma? He is the only person who has doped - your words - who performed shockingly the day after!!! Remember the day after the rest day was the day he lost the 2011 TDF!!!
Start learning the facts before throwing around accusations |
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Rule #1 of cycling. Back the dopers, lay the clean ones. Unless you believe in miracles
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Arashiro of Japan (Europcar) is the virtual yellow jersey on the road in today's stage 5 to Marseille.
If the field have any commercial sense they should let him have the yellow jersey this evening. |
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what about the plasticers (from blood bags) that they found in his samples but which the Spanish doping authority conveniently chose to ignore? I suppose you believe he ate a dodgy steak?!
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http://twicsy.com/i/v8xFcd or this list of Liberty Seguros Riders initials from Dr. Fuentes. Every rider on the list was on the team and the Spanish Courts found that AC did not refer to Contador. Yes of course he never blood doped
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lurka - "WTF are you on about? have you only watched cycling since last year?"
Don't be so stupid. I'm not listening to rumour and conspiracy theories. deal in FACTS only |
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yeah the FACT is he doped and served a ban for it. simples
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Bertie showed the heart of a lion today. Still finished in front of Rodriguez, the Colombian et al. He is a class act.
I'll admit Lance Armstrong was very impressive today  |
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Best times up Ax-3-Domaines 1. Laiseka 2001 22:57 2. Armstrong 22:59 2001 3. Froome 23:14 2013
AX3 Froome goes 1.89% faster than the 2002-2007 baseline 4.5% (residual) faster than the 2008-2013 baseline (Dresidual) Using Dr. Ferrari's power calculations:- vetooo @ammattipyoraily 12m #TDF, Stage 8. Ax-3-Domaines (first 7.85 km, 8.30 %, 651 m). Chris Froome: 21 min 41 sec, 21.72 Kph, VAM; 1801 m/h, 6.37 W/kg [DrF]. NOT NORMAL IMO |
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'The Clinic' section of cyclingnews forum is down atm. Probably from all the traffic after that ridiculous performance from Sky
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vetooo @ammattipyoraily 25m
#TDF, Ax-3-Domaines (1.30km→7.85km = 6.55 km, 8.17 %, 535 m) 2001 | Lance Armstrong: 18 min 08 sec 2013 | Chris Froome: 17 min 58 sec |
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Clay Davis "Deal in FACTS only". How about this FACT: Contador minus 1.51. Your Armstrong and Landis references are pathetic.
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Are u making things up? I didn't mentioned Landis!
But it's evident Contador, Purito and Valverde will have to fight fire with fire. Just wait to see these guys go after the rest day  |