Tour de France GC Antepost punting fred

B365 allowed me a colossal £0.66 ew on their 1500/1 Arnold Jeannesson without Contador, but I have taken 200/1 Tom Danielson and Rein Taaramae, and 300/1 Jerome Coppel to bigger stakes

What sort of value could you possibly be after, if betting shops are only allowing such small wagers, marychain1? I mean, let's say Joe Todger is 3000/1 and no one knows but he is the next Marco Pantani -- the value - or rather the amount they will payout - will only become half of what has been allowed on the bet you've mentioned, since he is worth twice as much.

If you're looking for a betting sting it seems they are ready for you.

Cheers,
SP

As per usual, despite reading your post several times, I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.

Never mind, best wishes, SP.

Current price guide

|    Alberto Contador    |    2.5    |
|    Andy Schleck    |    5.5    |
|    Cadel Evans    |    7    |
|    Bradley Wiggins    |    15    |
|    Chris Froome    |    41    |
|    Jurgen Van Den Broeck    |    51    |
|    Vincenzo Nibali    |    51    |
|    Denis Menchov    |    67    |
|    Samuel Sanchez    |    67    |
|    Alejandro Valverde    |    81    |
|    Frank Schleck    |    81    |
|    Ivan Basso    |    81    |
|    Jani Brajkovic    |    81    |
|    Robert Gesink    |    81    |
|    Andreas Kloden    |    101    |
|    Juan Jose Cobo    |    101    |
|    Pierre Rolland    |    101    |
|    Tony Martin    |    101    |
|    Carlos Sastre    |    151    |
|    Chris Horner    |    201    |
|    Levi Leipheimer    |    201    |
|    Reine Taaramae    |    201    |
|    Roman Kreuziger    |    201    |
|    Damiano Cunego    |    251    |
|    Jakob Fuglsang    |    251    |
|    Jean-Christophe Peraud    |    251    |
|    Kevin De Weert    |    251    |
|    Michele Scarponi    |    251    |
|    Nicolas Roche    |    251    |
|    Peter Velits    |    251    |
|    Rigoberto Uran    |    251    |
|    Tom Danielson    |    251    |

GoBallistic mate - from where? SP.

Oddschecker best prices

Nice one mate, thanks. SP.

I'd like to see Betfair open a market soon!

If Contador gets a ban .... which is quite possible then there is some great value out there; e.g. Wiggo at 14-1. Even if Contador doesn't get a ban, his cloak of invincibility is definitely not as strong as it was.

I'd like to see Betfair to lay Andy Schlek ... 10-1 anyone?! Not a hope!

IMO Sanchez can't timetrial well enough.

Ooops. Double post. I had £2 on Cancellara at 1000-1 but wanted £5. About that chance but sure can Timetrial and climbed reasonably last year.

Wanted £200 at 14-1 on Wiggo bit BluSq only let me have £10.50 and bwin £27.98 (??). Going to need 17 accounts at this rate!!

cancellara will lose 3x25 minutes on at least 3 of the mountain stages......if you cant climb steep and endless gradients you have zero chance in mountain obsessed grand tours.

Chris Froome is three times the price of Wiggins. That seems an anomaly to me. Not that I think Froome will win (I think he's too nice). More that I think Wiggins won't win. Those Vuelta memories remain strong.
Happy Christmas SP.

Based on the prices that Go Ballistic has put up the rider I'd be most interested in is Pierre Roland, A good climber (won on D'Huez this year) and a respectable final time trial so 100/1 looks decent value for him as He should still be improving at his youngish age although the burden of being the next great french hope might weigh him down.

Have gone for Tony Martin [for a podium spot] at 150/1.

A bit like my Cancellara bet ..... mountains will be a problem.

Contador hearing result Jan 14th/15th. The market is going to get a big shake up if Contador is kicked out (6/4 best price).

Whoever you fancy, get a bet on now. I'm still laying Andy Schleck .... 8-1 anyone?!

firstly ,no chance of alberto being banned, as for backing fabian to win or top 3 in tour ,is fantasy .taaramae, van den broeck or maybe froome,if he rides,are the big value e-w,still think contador will win as he will not be silly enough to do giro again, hey but what do i know

Will Froome not ride the Vuelta again? Not sure he and Wiggins will be in the Sky team.

Beware, some of the markets available are not antepost. They will make Rule 4 deductions when riders are not in the starting line up. Paddy Power have the decency to state this clearly. Some other bookies have buried it deep in their rules. Do your research.

On Wiggo 16/1ew, Martin 150/1ew and like the look of some of the outsiders mentioned here. Evans feels too short even if he looks good on paper.

Had a dabble today after the Bertie ban, trying to take advantage a little.
Stable up to now is...
Gesink 33/1
Van Den Broeck 33/1
Kreuziger 250/1
Uran 300/1
Van Garderen 330/1
Sagan 400/1

Lots more to follow

Andy Shrek and his brother have been awful tactically past 2 years, if they get their tactics/heads straight then I see AS winning (much as i want cuddles to win again).
I dont do outright on GC though, they all need to travel a good few miles to get to finish, and as last year proved thats easier said than done, I much prefer betting stage to stage.

Updated best price guide

Cadel Evans	2.88
Andy Schleck	4.5
Bradley Wiggins	7
Denis Menchov	9
Alejandro Valverde	29
Chris Froome	29
Robert Gesink	29
Jurgen Van Den Broeck	34
Vincenzo Nibali	34
Samuel Sanchez	41
Frank Schleck	51
Jani Brajkovic	51
Pierre Rolland	51
Andreas Kloden	67
Tony Martin	81
Ivan Basso	101
Juan Jose Cobo	101
Levi Leipheimer	101
Peter Velits	151
Chris Horner	201
Michele Scarponi	201
Roman Kreuziger	201
Thomas Voeckler	201
Bauke Mollema	251
Reine Taaramae	251
Christian Vandevelde	301

joemc eat your words!

I will still lay Schlecks. They are nowhere near time-trialling skills of Evans and Wiggo. Froome probably Vuelta bound. Some youngster to make a break-through?

agree Schleck is a massive lay at 7/2

"firstly ,no chance of alberto being banned, as for backing fabian to win or top 3 in tour ,is fantasy .taaramae, van den broeck or maybe froome,if he rides,are the big value e-w,still think contador will win as he will not be silly enough to do giro again, hey but what do i know"
you said it joe
Froome is Sky's best chance to win the Tour de France, Roche says... and I would agree but only if Wiggins doesn't make the line up as Froome seems content to be his servant.

Nibali at 33/1 is one I would be interested in. Heard somewhere that he will concentrate on the TDF and Basso will ride the Giro, or if he does ride the TDF it will be in support of Nibali. He has a good record in Grand Tours, is young enough to be still improving and has the combination of climbing and time trialling needed this year.

Froome had a good time trial in the Vuelta but in general, he can't hold a candle to Wiggo in the tts. Climbing: not too much in it. Froome only had the edge in the Vuelta when it got to silly gradients like 1:4 and 1:5. On Power figures through the winter, Sky can't believe Wiggo's numbers. Are people just trying to bump Wiggo's price up here?!

Cancellara climbed well up Oman's only mountain. My two quid sitting happy at 1000-1. Maybe I can lay it at 500s and make 50p!!??

The only reason Wiggins managed to cling on in the mountains of the Vuelta was that Froome was hauling him up. That was on every mountain stage and not just the crazy gradients. As soon as he was given permission Froome left Wiggins for dead.

Had a lump on Valverde. Movistar will surely play their big guns at the Tour knowing that Bertie will be back for the Vuelta.

red and white: what about Stage 11 of the Vuelta (HC finish) where Wiggins rode away from Froome - hardly hauling him up. Froome only took time out of him last week but Wiggo not full condition cos of his collarbone. 6-1 wiggins (with ****) is worth a lump especially considering 2012 form.

Any of you guys cycle?

I ride a few races and TTs. Got a Canyon CF SLX, Trek TTX and Spec Stumpy.

I see Bet Victor have odds available for a Top 10 placing..... I think Tarramae is a bit of value at 16-1

Specialized allez triple 2011 or the Claud Butler san remo.

I am looking to start up cycling again and have these two priced up at around £550.  Any advice on which is the better bike?

thought it would be Brad-mania on here today.....

The more hype the better.

I've just bought a Specialized Allez Sport for £585, really enjoying being out on it

I cant find a market on here? noticed wiggins is 3/1 with L@dbrokes, far too short imo, i want to lay, wheres the market?

The market won't go up till June judging by the last few years

FFS

Not sure I'd be laying Wiggo. Looks supremely confident this year, winning sprints, time trials and everything. Will surely lose a bit of time on the very steep climbs and its a bit of a negative that the team wont be set up purely for him, but he will make time on everyone in the TTs and there are 100k of them this year.

Updated best price guide after Romandie

3.25	Cadel Evans
4.5	Bradley Wiggins
7	Andy Schleck
16	Denis Menchov
34	Alejandro Valverde
34	Samuel Sanchez
34	Vincenzo Nibali
41	Jurgen Van Den Broeck
51	Chris Froome
51	Pierre Rolland
51	Robert Gesink
67	Andreas Kloden
67	Frank Schleck
81	Jani Brajkovic
81	Tony Martin
101	Carlos Sastre
126	Ivan Basso
126	Juan Jose Cobo
126	Levi Leipheimer
151	Peter Velits
201	Bauke Mollema
201	Chris Horner
201	Thomas Voeckler
251	Lieuwe Westra
251	Roman Kreuziger
301	Christian Vandevelde
301	Jelle Vanendert
301	Michael Rogers
301	Steven Kruijswijk
301	Tejay Van Garderen
351	Jean-Christophe Peraud
351	Reine Taaramae
351	Tom Danielson
401	Peter Sagan
501	Damiano Cunego
501	Daniel Martin
501	Fabian Cancellara
501	Jakob Fuglsang
501	Jerome Coppel
501	Richie Porte
501	Rigoberto Uran

ive backed wiggo 22s 16s 12s and wont be laying 3s, i think its his year

I've only just started thinking about this, and I think the value would be in Pierre Rolland if he had a better team behind him, but think I'd probably plump for Jurgen van den Broeke.

I don't bet on cycling though - I only really pay attention to the grand tours and a few mountainous shorter ones. Don't really care about races that favour the sprinters and roleurs.

ive gone pretty big on wiggo spoty at 16/1, would be by far the most deserving if he wins le tour and he might just nick a gold too.

Good to see a Betfair book. Wiggo will be shorter after he stuffs Evans in the Dauphine!

Wiggins now 6/4 with Bet365. Andy Schleck 6/1! Tempted to have a dabble on Schleck if he drifts any further following the Dauphine. I know its a TT heavy route this year but he's surely a nailed on top 3 with some of the summit finishes and high mountain stages?

im a layer of schleck at 6/1

is rein taaramae fit? 350/1 prices still available seem long

I wouldn't be so worried about the parcours for Andy Schleck. There will be opportunities for him if he arrives in top form

I'd be more worried about his form and his team. Team Radioshack seems on the verge of imploding, morale is low and management / riders are at loggerheads. Bruyneel has come in and tried to toughen the Schlecks up a bit but they don't appear to have reacted well. Andy Schleck usually targets the Ardennes classics and the Tour only so you always have to take his form on trust but this year he didn't even perform at the classics

Wiggins obv. has a course made to suit. If he doesn`t win this year he never will but @ 7/4 there is only one thing to do : LAY

The 7/4 has all gone .... not many taking RAPS advice. Evans will be stronger after Dauphine but hard to see past him and Wiggo. I did suggest backing Wiggo at 6-1 about 30 posts ago!

Price will drop to close to Evs by the start I reckon.

Would love Wiggo to win TDF just can`t see it happening.Too many big names who can return to form and the usual unconsidered riders who ride out of their skins. A bad day in the mountains and he loses minutes and race over.At the present odds he is a obvious lay to me.

too many big names like who? more like tired names. ive put a big stake on wiggins from 16s down to 12s and wont be laying 7/4.

im only worried about someone like luis leon sanchez on a few blood transfusions taking this away from wiggins at the moment. evans is well behind the pace and a year older. he wont be attacking in the mountains successfully after bradley takes 2 minutes off him on the TTs.

Just don't see how he can beat beaten on current form. Best TTer, no-one can make up enough time in the mountains to pull back te time they will lose in the TTs. He also has the best team.

Wiggo cannot be stopped imo. I'm a bit late to this party but I'm on at 2/1 and I'm going to keep going back in.

Looks like Andy Schleck is out (fracture in his back from his crash in the Dauphine). Not that he had the form this season to be much of a factor anyway

Schlecklet indeed out... or did they mix up Redneck's and his x-rays...?

We all know how Frank does without the shadow at his side - for Radioshambles look to Klodi now.

I think Van Den Broeck is the dark horse in this Tour. Cruised up the mountain in the Dauphine and had his best time trial in years.

I also like Tom Danielson at 300/1 - I'm not saying he will win but why is he such a massive price when he should finish in the top 8?

Couldn't disagree with any of that Mr Loaf.  With Wiggins priced as if he's Contador there's plenty of value around

Evans was one of the oldest winners last year ,at his age surely his performance will decline a bit this year. For those who follow the TDF but very little other cycling 6/4 Wiggins looks an unbelievably short
price given his record in the race.
The 2 appear priced up like their Armstrong and Ulrich.
Going to have a look at some of the bigger prices for a possible bet.
Would love to see Wiggins win the race ,if not financially involved.

The 6/4 Wiggo assumes he wont lose much time on the steep slopes.
I don`t assume that for a second - no way he has a 40% chance of winning.

I wouldnt be surprised if Wiggo did lose some time on the very high slopes, but who to? I dont think he will lose time to Evans, a similar one gear rhythm climber. He is much more likely to lose time to an explosive climber who can change gears and attack on the high slopes. But all the very good climbers are going to lose of time on the TTs. Rolland will quite possibly have about 10 minutes to make up from the 3 x TTs and that is surely just too much. Nibali seemed like a potential danger as a good climber and decent TTer but he doesnt seem in great nick.

And it you go through the race stage by stage, there are some very steep slopes, but the summit finishes where Wiggo is likely to lose time are few and far between, I think there are 3 in total this year, and not that steep.

With his team, Porte, Froome, Boassen Hagen all look in fine form, he is unlikely to lose time on the mountain stages without summit finishes, and Sky look well capable of keeping the tempo in the mountains so high it rides the attacks out of the rest.

I just cannot see past Wiggo, barring crash/injury. What Sky and he have achieved already this year in Romandie, Paris-Nice and the Dauphine has been impressive, and I just think everyone else is running scared. Evans is the one danger for me, but even he is going to lose time in the TTs, and will be under pressure to make it up on the slopes. Wiggo will have a better team that Evans, although admittedly BMC have improved on last year, and whilst Evans may make up a few seconds at the end of the odd stage, it wont be enough to beat Wiggo.

I have got Wiggo covered with some small each way bets on Jeannesson, Danielson, Coppel and Taaramae but in reality I cant see him getting beaten. I wouldnt be surprised to see Froome podium as well.

Really cant see past front 2.
Both superb in the TT and Evans could well beat Wiggo in the final TT @ the end of a tough 3 week tour
Wiggo has spent a substantial amount of time training @ high altitude(with heat) on Mt Teide Tenerife
Blew up on the Angliru in the Tour of Spain but wasnt 100% as recovering from TDF collar bone fracture.

Correct me if I am wrong but the Wiggins supporters that have posted have reasoned arguments why he will win (lack of steep mountain top finishes, strongest TTer, great team) and the people who think he won't have flimsy reasons (one bad mountain in Vuelta after injury recovery, little TdF form (4th, comfortable last year), prone to failure (little evidence there!)).

Still think he'll be Evs at the off. Superb form - Evans the only danger. You must look at TTer climbers ... Sammy Sanchez (Luis' steep climbing not good enough), Nibali, Danielson, Menchov .... big arguments against them all mainly based on the minutes lost this season. Danger: Froome?!

Also gone e/w on Hesjedal at 66/1 .... I know all about Giro to TdF form lines in the past but the odds were too tempting!

Stage by stage (bold likely to affect GC)

Prologue
Stage 1 - lumpy (punchers?)
Stage 2 - flat (sprinters)
Stage 3 - lumpy (punchers - breakaway?)
Stage 4 - flat (sprinters)
Stage 5 - flat (sprinters)
Stage 6 - flat (sprinters)
Stage 7 - medium mountains (climbers)
Stage 8 - medium mountains (breakaway?)
Stage 9 - ITT (time triallists)
Stage 10 - high mountains (climbers/descenders)
Stage 11 - high mountains (climbers)
Stage 12 - medium mountains - punchers/breakaway?)
Stage 13 - flat (sprinters)
Stage 14 - high mountains - (climbers/breakaway/sprint finish?)
Stage 15 - flat (sprinters)
Stage 16 - high mountains (climbers/descenders?)
Stage 17  high mountains (climbers)
Stage 18 - lumpy (breakaway/punchers)
Stage 19 - ITT (time triallists)
Stage 20 - flat to Paris (sprinters)

Many of the medium and high mountain stages dont end in summit finishes. For example, Stage 8 has 7 categorised climbs but then 15 miles of flat at the end. Stage 14 has two Cat 1 climbs but the second one is 40 miles from the end, so you cant see how anyone can make any significant time there. Stage 10 and 16 have downhill finishes after big climbs, and you can see Evans attacking Wiggins on the descent like the penultimate stage of the Dauhpine, but he surely cant make up more than a handful of seconds over Sky. Stage 16 does look pretty brutal though.

So in my eyes, this leaves Stages 7, 9, 11, 16, 17 and 19 as the 6 days that will decide the GC. Stage 9 and 19 are the individual time trials, which leaves 7, 11 and 17 as the only summit finishes.

Stage 7 199k Saturday 7th July.
Medium Mountains from Tomblaine - La Planche des Belles Filles
Lumpy stage with 2 x Cat 3 climbs before a Cat 1 summit finish. It looks a fairly steep last climb, but this early on I cant see any real damage being done. I'd expect Sky to keep a decent pace up to avoid any possible attacks. Difficult to see this stage being a major threat to Wiggins' chances

Stage 9 41.5k ITT Monday 9th July.
Individual Time Trial from Arc-Et-Senans - Besancon
Have to expect Wiggins (and Evans) to make a lot of time up on the other GC candidates. Its possible this will be the day Wiggo gets yellow.

Stage 11 148k Thursday 12th July
High Mountains from Albertville - La Toussuire
This is a short but brutal stage and the climbers will have to have a pop here. It has 2 x HC climbs, that should shed loads of riders from the peloton if Sky keep a high pace, before a Cat 1 summit finish. Some fearsome climbs too, Col de la Madeleine, Col de la Croix de Fer, Col du Mollard. This is the penultimate summit finish in the race, so will go a long way towards deciding the race. I feel like Sky will be defending Wiggo's yellow here, and will keep a high pace, with Froome, Porte, Rogers and Boassen Hagen sharing the work for Wiggo. Evans will have Van Garderen as his super domestique, but if this is like the Dauphine, Sky will lose a lot of riders and the pace will be very high to discourage attacks.

Stage 16 197k Wednesday 18th July
High Mountains from Pau - Bagneres-de-Luchon
This is one of the stages that could see things go wrong for Sky. It involves two HC climbs over Col d'Aubisque and Col du Tourmalet before two Cat 1 climbs over Col d'Aspin and Col de Peyresourds before a downhill finish. Evans will surely attack over the top of Col de Peyresourds and the descent should be very entertaining. Any crash here could spell disaster for the GC candidates, and this could be one of the stages Sky have sleepless nights over. If all goes to plan though, Evans shouldnt be able to pinch more than a handful of seconds.

Stage 17 143.5k Thursday 19th July
High Mountains from Bagneres-de-Luchon - Peyragudes.
The second consecutive day, and last day, in the high mountains. The last chance for the mountain goats to have a pop at the GC. There is a Cat 1, 2, 3 and an HC climb before a Cat 1 summit finish. This will be the decisive mountain stage, and with the 53k ITT coming two days after this, the climbers know this is there last chance to make an impact. This will probably bee the day to take off work as we could see attacks from a long way out. The summit of the HC climb at Port de Bales comes 30k out, and with the summit finish it should be very exciting viewing. Sky will hope that Wiggins is still in yellow by the end of the day, or at least within a minute of Evans.

Stage 19 53.5k ITT Saturday 21st July
Individual Time Trial from Bonneval - Chartres

This is where Wiggo will be all but confirmed as winner of the Tour de France if everything has gone Sky's way. He will make up an extraordinary amount of time on all his rivals here. Evans is the one contender who has the TTing to compete, but even he will expect to lose time to Wiggo on this stage. This should be an exciting TT, because we will probably see Evans and Wiggo last off. If Wiggo isnt already in yellow by this stage, he will know how much time he has to make up. Whoever is in yellow will be last off, and we will be able to see how close its going to be at all the checkpoints. My guess is that Wiggo is already in yellow here, and this stage just confirms the first ever British TDF winner.

red and white - thanks for your earlier greetings on this thread, mate. Very nice to have learned of such a kind wish, you made to me. Been away from the game writing, so that's been taking my time, however I have been also writing WT cycling previews for a local, betting-shop sponsored news website over here in Aussie, and so have had, and have, my finger on the pulse for the upcoming Tour. Nothing much to report really, a pretty much even book, perhaps a bit ahead, with only two substantial wins (tipped) of Boonen when he was short favourite, earlier in the Spring Classics. Also, backed Gerrans for a place when he won San-Remo, and whilst the write-up for him was positive, I didn't actually tip him in my final four.

Interested to know what you think at this stage, with the start now looming? Particularly, how you now view your Froome/Wiggo hypothesis which you formed last year, sometime about the Asturias queen stage of the Vuelta?

Hope you are well, and the punting is profitable?

Best wishes,
SP

Hi Swinging ... great to have you back. Appreciation and resepct for your knowledge.

Nice post Marychain ... great summary.

Fingers crossed and gobbling up Wiggo up to 2.5 now! Got Evans from pre-Contador days too so have bases covered?

Hesjedal at 66-1. Top 3 sorted.

The problem with the Tour de France is cycling is a low volume, poor liquidity market.  Only €83k traded so far.
Any small tennis match (i.e. 1/63 of a tournament) will have about €3 million traded.

fwiw my bets
Jelle Vandendert Winner ... 303.6 ... €4.05 ... €1,225.55
Pierre Roland Winner ... 50 ... €4.00 ... €196.00
Rein Taaramae Winner ... 480 ... €3.38 ... €1,619.02

can't believe Vino rides it again

Bloody dope him. Its like a drug to him

I have

Rui Costa @ 1000
and
Cunego @ 600

I hope to trade them @500 and @300

:P

G'day HoD, hope you got those multiple accounts sorted-out with Wiggo at those early prices of 14/1, very good early value mate, and now with Andy Schleck out of the picture as a non-starter, hope you got some of those lays in, also? I and the forum should've been following you from the start, it's quite obvious, winning even before the start. Well done, mate!

Thanks for your words of respect, much appreciated. Hopefully this forum will really pick-up, we ignore the trolls, and work with one another to isolate some good movements in the market, and pick up some handy wins?

Best wishes,
SP

Wiggins drifting back towards a more realistic price now.
Amazed he went as low as 2.52 on here

I am amazed nobody is talking about Jurgen Van Den Broeck. He is a better climber than Wiggins and Evans and has significantly improved his time trialing. He is a major threat in this tour.

As for the rank outsiders Tom Danielson is majorly overpriced at 300/1. he was the only person who could live with Franck Scleck on the mountains in Switzerland. The commentator also added that danielson was looking "tubby" compared to Schleck. He finished 9th in his first ever TDF last year so he could well be in the mix.

Hesjedal seems a big price to me. 50's with numerous books and 70/1 on here.  Anyone put me off?

He isnt good enough at climbing or time trialling, there's every chance he wont even be the GC contender in his own team as Vande Velde and/or Danielson could have a good crack at it, and Giro winners have an absolutely shocking record at trying the double, even Contador couldnt manage it.

Dauphine winners don't really do any better than Giro winners - only Armstrong (x2) and Indurain (x2) in the last 25 years I think. In other words it's possible if you're streets ahead of the rest so that you can win the Dauphine at 90% but unlikely otherwise

Was out walking when Cavendish and Moto GP Cal Crutchlow came cycling by on Sunday.Both looked in good form...It was a tough climb - lucky I was walking downhill....

so long as all that money stays on Wiggo and Evans i'll be happy... the lower their odd's are, the longer some of the other guys are - and that makes me happy.

stab in the dark for me

Peter velits @500
Ivan Basso @1000 if its matched!

VINOKOUROV

Just going on info from a friend....Enjoy the Tour lads

Warning Warning, BanTheBun has a friend,its a White Rabbit,so

Even Vinokourov doesn't think Vinokourov will win!

If he does, I want the same drug he's on!!

Time to put my hand up and admit I called this totally wrong.

Well done to Wiggins backers who got on early @ fancy odds, any of you also get the 30/1 + on him to be BBC Sports Personality of the Year or whatever the damn thing is called ?