UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

its a stacked card with a great main event

will be defo havin accas on this

Yep top card boys.

Tito Vs Matt Hamill is intresting considering Tito did everything but blow Hamill off in the TUF series!

And What can you say about brock came back all guns blazing from his injury lay off and overcame the early onslaught from Carwin. I think if Brock was gonna get beat anytime soon then that was the fight, what with ring rust and Shane never going beyond the 1st round etc etc...  I can not see him geting beat for a long time.

So the Mortgage money is on again just hope i dont have to go thru the 1st rnd fom hell again like the Carwin fight

Betting in doubles trebles and accas i think is best left to football these days, with the sport of MMA geting so hard to predict i personly will keep to singles only from now on.

Thiago looks a good bet.

Im with scotty! i cant see brock getting beat any time soon especially after getting tested by carwin in the 1st and coming back with a Sub lol. Brock is 8 to 11 with **** im getting on that large.
Great card as well shame it werent this card last saturday [:(]

Went to the expo was a really good day.

I'm pleased to see the Brock backers, the more the better. This time, I think you will do your dough.

I'm with Cain on this. I make him a 4/6 shot, so anything above evens is a value bet. I like Brock and have won a few quid on him, but he is very limited in the stand-up and Cain won't be easy to take down, and won't be as easy to dominate on the ground as Carwin was if he does get him to the mat.

Aside from this, I will be rooting for Hamill to beat up Tito. I see a 3rd round stoppage.

At the prices, I'll be backing Kampmann in the hope that he can avoid the TD and beat Shields in the stand-up.

Should be a great card!

Sam Stout vs Paul Taylor to win Fight Of The Night ?

Brock and Cain for fight of the night. 8 to 11 is gone now for brock 4 to 6 is the best your gonna get which is a shame. You can still get 5 to 4 for cain.  cant see brock losing. Ground and pound sll day long.

Looking forward to this out on the town at 7 and gonna go right thru till the fight. C'mon Brock send this fker back to chiquito's and enjoy yeh corona and burito. got on at early at 4/5 printing money imo

goin for 4 fold on this. brock lesnar diego sanchez cote and ortiz.
tito is back at 100% hamill hasnt impressed me to much in his last few fights. brock is an animal and will out wrestle cain. diego sanchez has lost his last 2 and will not want to lose again. he said he wasnt fully prepared for hathaway so will not make that mistake again. cote has looked good recently.

before his injury he was a beast think hell be back to his best soon

get on cain get on him large!

Lawlor and Yvel decent value tonight, Gonzaga by KO and Shields on points also.

Brock by 2nd round stoppage.

Hoping Velasquez has half the start Carwin did. Or at least that he isn't too rushed to finish it and gets caught. Backed @ 6/4

surely this monster cant get beat, especially by a Mexican road sweeper lol.

Can't wait to see this fight. The monster against the undefeated mexican. Surely one of the fights of the year!

Had a £80 double lesnar and shields. Didnt wanna do shields really but missed the 8/11 for lesnar so i chucked it in for a bump up. gonna bite me in the arse lol. Think he will win but at 8/15 is a bit short. Think tito will win he looks good in the weigh in lol, and relaxed. always rate sanchez think hell do well too.

I'm with $wordfish one bet for me tonight Yvel @7/4

Yvel fights Jon Madsen.Yvel for me has kept much better company than Madsen.
Obviously a clash of styles fight and given the way things have been of late in the ufc with wrestlers taking down opponents and laying on them for 3 rounds there is a likelihood that this could go that way.

Madsen though hasn't fought the same level of opponent as Yvel has and it wouldn't surprise me to see Yvel end this early by eye gouge or bite to the ear

Is this live (free) on ESPN tonight?..
I saw earlier in the week it was pay-per-view.

PPV in the states,comes as part of the espn package over here

OK, cheers

Cain Velasquez will only win if he can KO Brock Lesnar.

As i fancy him to win it therefore makes no sense to bet on the 5/4 that is available and instead bet with SkyMiniBet at 8-1 for Cain Velasquez to win KNOCK OUT OF THE NIGHT.

At the end of the day, if/when he knocks him out it will HAVE to be KO of the night due to the sheer verocity of a punch or kick needed to do it!

Heard it here FIRST!

*Ferocity

[smiley:crazy]

Hi all,

Does anybody know roughly what time (uk) the Lesnar/Velasquez fight will 
start?

I believe things kick off at 7pm Pacific time, which I think is 3am here. Any experienced
viewers know roughly how long after this the big one will be on?

Cheers all

not that experienced myself but the main even last time started @5:30

thanks tobermory

It'll be about 5.15am, so not quite as bad as tobermory makes out! [;)]

I can't see past Lesnar.  It depends on how long Cain can land some leg kicks and move away before Brock catches him. 

Cain doesn't have concussive power in his hands, he couldn't stop Kongo, he couldn't stop Rothwell (from memory, he hit him a lot and whilst he was too much for Rothwell, Rothwell did complain when the ref stopped the fight).  He did drop Nog, but Nog is shot.  Nog was hand picked for Cain, as I pointed out before that fight.

Even Carwin couldn't knock Brock down, Brock went down to escape the punches.  I think this could be quite one-sided with Brock winning by KO (Brock takes Cain down, isolates an arm and then unleashes viking fury onto Cain's face forcing the ref to come in and stop the fight).

If Cain can land kicks without being taken down then he could negate Brock's shot (as in a wrestling shot) and start picking off a less mobile Brock.  That's the only way I can see him winning.

Oh, and they show two prelims at 2am our time.  So you'll have two prelims (Cote v Lawlor should be a good fight) and then at 3am they go into the main card. 

I'm not sure of the order of the main card though as all sources have Schaub v Gonzaga kicking things off but at the weigh-ins Joe Rogan said Sanchez v Thiago was the first fight.  Anyone know?

And on ESPN now is an oldish 'UFC All Access' with Brock Lesnar.  Basically a show going behind the scenes with him.  Seen it before and quite interesting.

who is this  British pundit guy? thought it was Stephen Fry for a minute there.

4 bets for me

shields decent odds for a guy who beat hendo, kampmann is a decent opponent but dont think hes quite good enough
also small bet on shields by decision

tito, not a hamill fan, think ortiz still has something to offer the sport like the underdog odds
also small bet on tito by decision(was torn between that and tko but think hammills tough enough to last 3 rounds)

brock, man is a beast decent odds, cain is well rounded but think brock will manhandle him
brock inside distance 2nd round ko or sub

thiago, dont like sanchez, hes not a 170lber, going back to 55 after this fight , dont think he has the heart
thiago by sub or ko

tobermory     Joined: 01 Mar 08
Replies: 13949 24 Oct 10 01:20 
who is this  British pundit guy? thought it was Stephen Fry for a minute there.

Gareth A Davies of the Daily Telegraph.  He also covers boxing for the paper (or he did when I used to read it).

all this love for cain on here and in public when on paper and in the cage brock has done far more and beaten better opponents..  imo

anyway any decent links for this tonight men?

Sanchez has said he's moving down to 155lb after this fight so it does make you wonder if his heart is in this fight.  Anything could happen in this fight as their both pretty inconsistent.

I think Hamill will beat Tito.  Tito's not beat anyone since he beat Ken Shamrock 4 years ago, and Shamrock was washed up back then. 

He looked in great shape at the weigh-in but he's not fought for a year after having neck surgery so I don't put too much stock in his appearance.  He looked awful against Griffin in his last fight (Nov 09) and Hamill is more explosive than Griffin and will be a tougher test for a rusty (crippled?) Ortiz.  I think the market tends to underestimate the effect of being injured and not fighting for 11 months.

First bets of the night for me were winners, Stout and Madsen

ty TP

Can we keep spoilers to another thread please? 

I'd like to watch any prelims they show without knowing the result.

Anyone know wher  i can get a link for this?

Dont have bloody ESPN

Sorry[:x]

Will do.

I have found a link for UFC 121: Prelims..

Will this have lesner fight or does Prelims stand for something else?

Never watched this before and looking to see it this morning..

Thanks baxter152.

The Prelims is two fights.  If it's a US link then I expect you'll have to find something else as the Prelims is free and the main card is PPV over there.  If a UK link showing ESPN UK then should be ok.

wats the link mug tree? tia

online streams are pathetic unless theres 1 you can buy off ufc

i tried once when on holiday... never again

espn is under a tenner a month its a steal, all the ufc + some premiership football

have paid to get a relative to get it in for a month before now when staying with them

not in the high def i had at home as they have the old sky box... but would still prefer to pay for that than try picking it up online

just checked my sky player for you... prelims are on

dont know if thats only cos they have linked my subscription to espn, or if everyone gets it, quality is ok
dont know if main card will be on tho as sometimes content isnt online

why are the markets suspended???

disregard that. unsuspended

Happens every time.

Very good stream:

http://www.fromsport.com/v-0/8/98/v-89994.html

on ortiz by ko/tko a cheeky fiver at 8.2

i didnt rate hamill agains jardine i think tito gun suprise a few people

I don't think Tito's got anything to offer the sport anymore.  The evolution of the sport has left him obsolete.  Is a pity though.

Diego slam

Judges tossing their coins again!

had my first ever bet on this sport on velasquez , and after the weekend i've had, he'd better fkin win.

brock wins

kampmann 29-28 wtf - didn't know terry o'connor did the ufc as well

Kampman won that fight. Won the 2nd, won the third. That late rally cost him

come on Cain!

GTFI!!!!!!!!!!!!

what the **** just happened

Every now and then I watch something in sport which makes me feel a little sick.  Brock losing was one of those times.

Most enjoyable fight i have ever witnessed.

Brock smashed to sh1t

AWESOME

All we'll hear now is Cain continuing to play the race card.  All very sad.

Brock cannot take a deacent shot, as soon as his chin is touched, he is on his toes running round the cage

The sight of him rolling and falling all over the place was special

'aed'

'sad' even

brock wishes he was still pretend fighting rey mysterio for much more $$$

Certainly makes the HW division that bit more interesting.  Cain v JDS next, and probably not that far away considering Cain took no damage and JDS has been twiddling his thumbs for a while.

Goodness knows who next for Brock.  Mir wouldn't surprise me but I hope not as he needs to get experience from fighting a range of fighters.

was it just me or did Lesnar look out of shape, im not saying he's a fat
slob or anything but he just didnt seem like he was in his usual condition.
Also, lesnar has problems once he gets tagged, he has no defence and seems clueless,
this called always be his downfall!

He looked in shape to me.  I'm looking forward to watchign it again.  He came storming out with a flying knee.  I think he tried to enforce his power/size advantage but soon found out Cain's wrestling was top notch.  He then probably got a little concerned.

His stand up has always been poor as he's only been striking for a relatively short period.  He's not a natural striker and has little head movement. 

I don't think his punch resistance is any worse than any other heavyweight, I think he's a little too gung-ho and so gets struck a lot more often and cleanly than more reticent/sensible heavyweights. 

He's very inexperienced and I'm sure he'll come back better for this fight.

I can see Cain/JDS/Carwin all being able to beat each other, which could lead to some great fights.

5 fight accumulator landed. can you get KO of the night for a TKO? shame if not! i was throwing every punch in that main event waking up the neighbours in the process!! [:p]

He probably came out too quick, almost took off when he threw the flying knee!!!

I wonder how much he can improve though, i know he is in-experienced but will he
be able to learn how fight back when hurt or tie tie someone up instead of just
covering up. Sure he will come back better and look forward to seeing the re-match at some point!

He won't. He'll come back, but he won't learn. Lesnar is too stiff. His hands look uncomfortable, he doesn't back up well, and hates punishment. He tends to crumble up to feel safer. He was broken mentally once he threw everything he had in the first few seconds and did NOTHING to an experienced Champ. I'd rather have the hard work, and the talents of Velasquez over Brock Lesnar's size at the top. It represents the sport a lot better, having to be well rounded and not just have the size of a silverback. Velasquez looked consistent like he always is and as long as he's there I can't see anyone taking his belt. Junior has great striking but, wow Velasquez, wow.

LOL at Theowalcott

thiago, dont like sanchez, hes not a 170lber, going back to 55 after this fight , dont think he has the heart
thiago by sub or ko

Sanchez has the biggest heart in MMA IMO.

Quality from Cain, 1st time ive not backed him in the UFC i think

Small loss for me, Had Yvel and Lawlor singles and double.

@The Genius- can you get KO of the night for a TKO?

Yes. Already confirmed as KO of the night, well done!

yes. phew! just checked my account. ta $wordfish for answering. had a small bet on it for KO of the night and chucked a small 20 quid on the main event fight card, 5 fight accumulator. all came in to reward me with £496 with laddies plus 120 for KO OF NIGHT wiht skybet. pleasing tele! ha ha.

wont be making a habit of betting on UFC though as its unpredictable in general. last night went as i'd foreseen it though strangely.

every dog has its day ha!

your still the man brock

What a shiite effort from Brock gassed out in 1min flat!

I lost a good few quid on that fight.

Even worse the missus is now talking to me again! New she couldnt hold out for a full week!!

What a shiite effort from Brock gassed out in 1min flat!

Hardly that though was it Scotty?

Did everything he could IMO, just blown away.

He did everything he could?? What you mean he curled up into a ball, its not the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog and brock showed there he's not got no fight in him IMO. Im very disappionted in Brock and would of loved him to beat Cain (not just so i collected) but for the good of the sport as he is a massive draw for fans, in a love hate way for some. Hope Mir dont start calling Brock out now dont really wanna see a 3rd between them. Brock should be shouting from the rooftops to take Cain on again (if he got the balls).

So is it Dos Santos up next for Cain?

its not the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog and brock showed there he's not got no fight in him.

Is that the same Brock that showed that he had plenty fight in him in the Carwin fight??? He was simply beat by a much better fighter/technician this time in Cain.

Brock curled up and accepted defeat, pathetic. Showed him to no heart what so ever

Baxter, what im saying is fighting imo is 50% skill and 50% heart,toughness,agression,and will to win.  If you havent got the latter then i belive a person/fighter will give in when the going gets tough. When you meet someone with a good skill set you need that toughness and will to win to see you through. Brock showed he can do it but against a tiring Carwin is different to a fresh mexicano.

Brock IMO was beaten as soon as Cain got back to his feet after the Lesnar takedown even the way he came out to me seemed a bit desperate, as if he belived he couldn't stand and trade with Cain then the guy takes a punch and throws his self across the cage trying to run away hence the term brock had no fight in him/self belief.

If you go into a fight thinking youre not going to win there's only gonna be one outcome a beating that you deserve for been a fukein pusssy. I would rather go down all guns blazing then curl up like a timid stray dog.

How can people/fighters talk the talk about how youre going to do this and that to another fighter then put in a effortless showing is beyond me, i personly would be to ashamed to show my face again.

PS: u want some watched the same fight as me.

Scotty - your post shows you are very much a beginner in the sport of MMA. The way the fight went is more of a testament to Cain's abilities, and certainly not due to lack of heart in Brock. I have no doubt he'll be back, and his stand-up will improve. I just doubt whether he will have the ability to beat Cain when they re-match.

I'll be lumping on again if the odds are anything like they were last time, unlikely I know. The 5/4 for Cain in the first fight was excellent value. We will be lucky to get 4/5 next time.

Got a nice double up with Hamill winning, let down for a few grand more by Kampmann in a 4 timer.

Having a pretty good run on UFC events this year, only made a loss at a couple and very close to a couple of very large payouts.

Stupiderlikeafox
Joined: 26 May 09
Replies: 100 03 Nov 10 11:33   
Scotty - your post shows you are very much a beginner in the sport of MMA

[:o]Been training MMA in the North East for over 3 years, Like I
said to Templeton Peck you would be very welcome to come down and train at my gym with me .

tito

That makes your lack of judgement even more bizarre.

Come to your gym eh? what weight are you?

Scotty, what i meant when i said he did everything he could to win, was he did everything offensively .

But he didn't even faze Velasaquez, so he knew he couldn't win. He could have carried on i suppose but he would have been annihilated.

My lack of judgement thats you're opinion stupider!

16st 6lbs at the mo fox, train 4 days/nights a week but we have people at all weights at the gym so if didnt fancy rolling with me there would be others im sure would be willing to introduce you to the sport of MMA, thats if you dont partake at the allready of course, if you do that would be even better.

You're a bit small for me Scott.  I hear your cardio is your strength, but a bit chinny.

The thing about Brock in this fight was his tried and tested shock and awe approach had little or no effect on Cain, as I expected. He was in against a better fighter with more skills in the areas that mattered. Darwin would have had the same result if his cardio was as good as yours Scotty.

Whilst on his back the reality of the situation hit him - Cain could punch hard all night, and he was I'll equipped to deal with it. He was outclassed, and I know you know all about that feeling, right?

fox youre total **** wit . guess youre a bit windy with it too.

[:)] Windy?

You sound punch drunk.

The shock and awe approach did work to a certain extent.  Brock's biggest mistake was with the first takedown when he tried to pass Cain's guard way too quickly.  Brock carried his intensity on his feet into his ground game and gave Cain an opportunity to get back up.

Brock does have heart but he doesn't know how to react to hard shots.  That's a big difference.

Thankfully it appears Brock wants to continue fighting and wants to fight Roy Nelson.  Hopefully next year is spent fighting the sub-elite and then he can get back into title contention as a much better fighter.

I agree TP. He's a good guy to have around, brings some unique stuff to the table.

Heart is of course unmeasurable - but to say a fighter in the UFC doesn't have any heart is ridiculous. You need plenty to just step up into the octagon. For another fighter to be the one questioning his heart is a pretty poor show - fellow fighters should be best placed to understand the mental pressures and strain, and that this  strain can be much harder to deal with than the physical side of the sport.

He'll be back for sure.

It surprises me a little that nobody has mentioned his interview with Joe Rogan immediately after the fight. 

I know you have to take those interviews with a pinch of salt, but even immediately after a beating he said he wanted to get right back in there.  Someone without heart would be a little more coy.

just saw this...thats a beating. still cant believe they dont kick up a fuss about the Brown Pride tat