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By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 17 Dec 09 15:55
Poor show by percentage terms in football these days. Lorik Cana gives 300% for Sunderland I read
By:
Alex the old wrinkled retainer
When: 18 Dec 09 09:11
When Levein says that he wants to make sure that he is the right man for the job I suspect he really means the the SFA will need to structure matters and his duties just as he wants. I don't now the personalities but any views? Possible stumbling blocks? Would Levein take to the PR aspect of the job that the SFA have talked of before?
By:
Crawford Baptie
When: 18 Dec 09 09:15
I would like one day for Craig Levien to be Scotland Manager but not at this time. I feel he has more to achieve at club level before taking over the reins of the National Team.
My heart ,head (and yes.. wallet!) says it should be a George Graham or Kenny Dalglish. Older managers seem to be going down well with England, Wales and the Republic of Ireland so why not us.
If Levien is appointed I hope we are not halfway through our Euro 2012 Campaign with a good chance of qualifying when Blackburn come in and offer him a job. Then once again, we will be back to square one.
Then again maybe the SFA are looking at this post from a compensation angle!!!
By:
Ernesto
When: 18 Dec 09 11:53
I think the personality issue is a complex one.

Levein (and Dundee Utd) have had issues with the SFA and the running iof the game. In particular they have had a feeling of West coast (or even specifically Rangers bias). They have had some shocking decisions go against them and complianed very loudly. Levein and Smith also have issues as he released his son from United books. Levein as a pundit also criticised the scheduling of Scotlands WC qualifiers which irked the powers that be.

The SFA hierarchy is very staid and run entirely by committee, hence the shortlisting and interview process. Smith was an agent and then a pundit on Radio Scotland before being appointed but he is answerable to a whole host of committeemen who ultimately hold power in the Scottish game. There are also people in charge of each level of the game (U21 and youths) and that could be another sticking point as these guys also have their champions in the committes.

If I had to call it at the moment, I'd say he'd take it. McCoist is set for Rangers next and I can't see him taking over at Celtic, apparently he turned down Aberdeen in the summer so the Scotland job is his only option imho before he returns to England. Success with Scotland will give him an EPL job.
The rest of the shortlist will only apply if Levein turns it down.
By:
Alex the old wrinkled retainer
When: 18 Dec 09 16:31
I regret that I am adding much less than you on this market Enresto. I guess that there must be a bit of give and take.

Please keep contributing.
By:
Ernesto
When: 18 Dec 09 19:56
FFS don't worry about that Alex. I'll be taking plenty of your advice in these.

I'd say thanks to the other lads contributing in here too. Makes a change to the usual cack on the main forum.

Interestingly tonight Dundee United have mentioned £500,000 compo for Levein and the Arab messageborad seems resigned to him leaving. I'd say we'll have a yeah or nay next week on Levein.

Might have to have a ramp on a few others first though :D

Gary McAllister anyone ;)
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 19 Dec 09 08:14
Cack signing in
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 19 Dec 09 08:16
Can the SFA afford 500k compo?

They could probably employ Hiddinck for a month for that. Or Ricky Sbragia for the rest of eternity
By:
Crawford Baptie
When: 19 Dec 09 08:42
In the Local Aberdeen paper, The Evening Express, Levien said he was "100% interested" in the job. However he wanted more than "to just pick the team". Basically he wants the same conditions as Strachan asked for when Strachan was overlooked for Walter Smith.
If it's all about blazers, committee men and self interested eejits with their nose in the trough then I cannot see Levien getting the job. On one hand I would be pleased (financially!!) however the likes of the candidates I support (Dalglish, Graham and Sir Alex Ferguson) I believe would want the same conditions. If they all get knocked back we could end up with Mr Cuthbert who trains the Torry Under- 12's twice a week as the next Scotland Manager.
At least the compensation package would be reasonable. Three sets of football strips and a bag of balls!!!!!!!
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 19 Dec 09 09:17
Would suit my book Crawford
By:
Ernesto
When: 19 Dec 09 09:33
Looks like the high street has pulled this market altogether.

Who do we think to 5 shortlisted would be?

Couple of unemployed to make up the numbers.

Calderwood, McAllister, Pet Rescue and Scala?

Heaven help us if so. I think we also need Lars Lagerback on the market.
By:
Ayedo
When: 19 Dec 09 10:19
Bit in the local paper Geoff Brown warning off United from making a move for Derek McIness.
By:
Alex the old wrinkled retainer
When: 19 Dec 09 10:41
Levein just matched up to a little under 3.0. I didn't see what volume was involved.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 19 Dec 09 10:45
Ralf Rangnick has not been added yet. An astonishing oversight
By:
Alex the old wrinkled retainer
When: 21 Dec 09 06:31
Another lay on Levein at 7.00 this morning up to 2.96. I can find no news.
By:
Templeton Peck
When: 21 Dec 09 09:35
A nicely misleading headline: 'Scottish FA to offer Levein job'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8424274.stm
By:
Ernesto
When: 21 Dec 09 09:43
Don't think there is any news. there is a bit of chatter about Levein being the media fav but not necessarily the fans choice. He has finished behing Calderwood's Aberdeen in the last 2 years and is currently behing John Hughes at Hibs. Both are seen as figures of fun in Scotland and are also seen as having no chance of getting the job.

A far from comprehensive poll on the TA messageboard shows less support than I would have thought.

Should Craig Levein be appointed Scotland Manager?
Yes [ 35 ] [20.23%]
No [ 94 ] [54.34%]
Undecided [ 44 ] [25.43%]

Total Votes: 173
By:
Ernesto
When: 21 Dec 09 09:45
Be good to see that repeated on SSN. The compensation is apparently a lot less than had been mentioned too.
By:
Ernesto
When: 21 Dec 09 18:47
looks like the endgame within 24 hours

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11794_5792364,00.html
By:
Ernesto
When: 21 Dec 09 19:30
Some decent odds about if he turns it down.

Be glad when this is done. Not a great appointment but in betting terms pretty thin pickings.
By:
Templeton Peck
When: 21 Dec 09 22:06
This is a classic case of the powers that be having no clue. I do like to see the other British nations qualify but I can guarantee that a pair of glasses won't do the job for Scotland.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 22 Dec 09 09:23
Been thin pickings on managers in general. When was the last decent one? Chelsea?
By:
Ernesto
When: 22 Dec 09 09:50
probably was. It's a shame we don't have the sack race and then at least we could have a constant, "In or Out" market. Although I seem to remember some pretty poor liquidity on that.

Looking ahead Liverpool would be the next obvious biggie but it's doubtful if they could afford to sack him. I also don't like the trend of having someone already lined up to take over. Can't make money without a market.
By:
Alex the old wrinkled retainer
When: 22 Dec 09 10:09
I suspect that we will get a sack race market as soon as Pompey are relegated.
By:
Ernesto
When: 22 Dec 09 10:36
Nearly 1.5K laying Levein.

Significant or someones book balancing?

No compo agreed yet apparently.
By:
Ernesto
When: 22 Dec 09 11:50
Not a done deal according to Radio Scotland.

Think there is a big sticking point re compensation.

Levein did not sound happy. SFA dragging their heels acording to Jim Spence. He says a source at United said he believed the deal could yet fall apart.
By:
1.01 Layer
When: 22 Dec 09 14:02
Dundee digging their heels in over compensation. (As per SSN)
By:
1.01 Layer
When: 22 Dec 09 14:03
The reporter still thinks the deal will go through, though.
By:
Ayedo
When: 22 Dec 09 14:25
Don't think they should pay Dundee any compo

United should get it imo
By:
Ernesto
When: 22 Dec 09 14:53
Over a grand being laid again at 1.06
By:
Ayedo
When: 22 Dec 09 14:59
If I thought the deal was falling through, I'd be laying more than a grand at 1.06

Squaring up
By:
Ernesto
When: 22 Dec 09 16:07
Dundee United manager Craig Levein has insisted it is not a done deal whether he will be Scotland boss, but admits the situation will be a lot clearer within hours.

The 45-year-old met with representatives from the Scottish Football Association on Monday night as the governing body searches for George Burley's replacement.

While some believe Levein is all set to take on the new role, the United boss insisted no deal has been done and dusted and he must concentrate on his club duties.

Levein told Sky Sports News: "Well I had a meeting last night with representatives of the SFA which went reasonably well but it was only a meeting that lasted about an hour.

"And since then discussions have been ongoing but I must stress that there hasn't been any deal done and we had a reserve game today and I am preparing the players for Kilmarnock on Saturday."

Asked if it was a fait accompli, he replied: "No it's not, as I say the meeting was fairly positive last night and there are ongoing discussions but I'm the Dundee United manager and I get paid by Dundee United at this moment in time and all my energies therefore should be put towards playing Kilmarnock on Saturday."

He added he had been in football for a long time and he had seen just about every type of scenario there was so the important thing was to focus on his existing job.

"I don't want my mind to stray to other things," said Levein, adding within 24 hours the situation could be done and dusted either way.

"Either (it will) be on or off, one of the two I think," he said. "So as far as I'm concerned as I said to you that the important thing for me is to make sure that I'm preparing properly.

"I would hate to think that I'd let my focus drift off what needs to be done here so I need to make sure that I'm preparing properly for Saturday."

He would not be drawn on what had been discussed in the meeting with the SFA officials, nor the contractual situation.

Asked if he was comfortable that his side of things had been agreed and whether it was simply a case of compensation, he replied: "Do you know something, I haven't really got into that side of things, that's why I employ somebody to take care of that for me.

"So I just let them get on with that and we'll find out in the next few hours or 24 hours or whatever it is, whether it's something that both the SFA and myself can push ahead, but we'll just have to see."
By:
Ernesto
When: 22 Dec 09 16:36
On the BBC news just now. Dundee United chairman not happy and says the SFA have acted disgracefully. Everyone's getting hot under the collar according to Jim Spence and no compo offer has been received.

With the weather as it is in Glasgow they could be in for a long old night..
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 23 Dec 09 09:30
Anything new this morning chaps?
By:
Ernesto
When: 23 Dec 09 10:30
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/8428154.stm

United fuming here. SFA coming across as amateurs here. Why would levein want to work with this lot?
By:
1.01 Layer
When: 23 Dec 09 11:05
Deal not done yet, compo not paid. (SSN)
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 23 Dec 09 13:28
Could be weeks while SFA pass round bucket
By:
1.01 Layer
When: 23 Dec 09 15:44
As a 1.01 layer, I do hope so :-)
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 23 Dec 09 16:33
Chairman could be piling on as we speak ;-)
By:
Innocent Bystander
When: 23 Dec 09 16:51
COnfirmed by the SFA

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=128&newsCategoryID=6&newsID=5393
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