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Still no mention from the Seahawk lovers of last season's NFC championship game or the game against the Rams two weeks ago.
But now it's OK for Seattle not to turn up in the first half in a game that mattered against the cardinals but not ok for the cardinals not to turn up in a game that meant nothing. Nada. Zilch. Ok I get it now |
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Who said it was all ok??? People are just giving their opinions which you can't seem to take. And for the record I am no seattle fan, I'm a packer fan and what happened last year still makes me sick but hey that's sport. Last season's NFC championship game has absolutely no bearing on this year.
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dlarssonf - confident the Pack will turn it around on offense?
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Firstly you need to get your facts right. Seattle led going into the 4th quarter on the back of two turnovers against Arizona in November. Before Palmer took them on a 10 play 85 yard drive to take the lead which they subsequently extended.
The championship game does gave a bearing as a) Seattle were a better team last year b) they were at home and c) Green Bay were not as good as the Carolina or Arizona of this year. Last year Sherman never moved from his corner. They trusted the other corner. The could play man on man without the need to double up. This year has been all change. No trust in the other corner. He's been taken to the cleaners a few times. Safeties having to come over and cover and leaving big gaps in the middle for tight ends to exploit. Seattle have had an awful time covering tight ends over the middle this year. Plus Sherman has moved about more this year, trying to cover the best wideout. |
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Clay - I don't like the Seahawks either but I respect them and come on man to pick every hole possible is a little bit below the belt. The Patriots got smashed to pieces last season by the Chiefs yet still won the Superbowl - do people focus on that loss or the strong regular season they had?
All over the Cowboys next season given their schedule in the hope the Romo  somehow gets through the season. |
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ClayDavis 06 Jan 16 17:31
Firstly you need to get your facts right. Seattle led going into the 4th quarter on the back of two turnovers against Arizona in November. Before Palmer took them on a 10 play 85 yard drive to take the lead which they subsequently extended. I never said otherwise , I hope that helps!!! Right I am done getting into debate's with you Clay because it's like taking to the wall. |
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dlarssonf - confident the Pack will turn it around on offense?
is Nelson still out? |
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Swagger 06 Jan 16 17:27
dlarssonf - confident the Pack will turn it around on offense? Hey Swagger , been honest I have no faith in them at the moment as much as it hurts to say. The O-line is non existent , coupled with this and the wide receivers not getting any seperation , Rodgers confidence is shot to pieces. Lacy is an enigma at the moment , plays well one game and then horrific the next. I hope the turn it around because at the moment it's a hard watch but sure we will still cheer them on until the bitter end  Seattle are the team for me in the NFC , yes the have a hard road but not impossible. In the AFC , I think Denver are not getting much respect but that defence is excellent |
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ClayD seems to think anyone who says anything even slightly in the positive about the Seahawks is a "fan"
He must have had a traumatic experience in Seattle or had his cafe put out of business by a Starbucks or something. |
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Help2 06 Jan 16 17:37
dlarssonf - confident the Pack will turn it around on offense? is Nelson still out? Just replied there help2!!! Nelson is gone for the whole season unfortunately , he was a big loss which is looking bigger as each week passes. You a packer fan??? |
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Swagger 06 Jan 16 17:32
Clay - I don't like the Seahawks either but I respect them and come on man to pick every hole possible is a little bit below the belt. The Patriots got smashed to pieces last season by the Chiefs yet still won the Superbowl - do people focus on that loss or the strong regular season they had? All over the Cowboys next season given their schedule in the hope the Romo Love somehow gets through the season. Dallas definitely have a very good team swagger and if the injuries are kinder next year they have a great chance. I worry over Hardy though - yes he is a good player but an out and out s cumbag - think he is more hassle off the pitch than it's worth. Good luck next year swagger because i know it's not easy been a cowboy at times |
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Swagger - Johnny football wants to go to Dallas
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dlarrsonf...bet in you worst nightmare you never thought an Aaron Rodgers led and Mike McCarthy coached offence would ever become boring
 #shocked |
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grayhawk 06 Jan 16 18:03
dlarrsonf...bet in you worst nightmare you never thought an Aaron Rodgers led and Mike McCarthy coached offence would ever become boring Sad #shocked Never grayhawk , it's sad really from a Rodgers point of view because the fellow should be challenging for superbowl rings with the talent he has - yet the years keep slipping by!!! But this year has been a disaster , as you say could never imagine us playing the way we are starting to wonder is there more going on behind the scenes but who knows |
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Two weeks ago Rodgers stood at the podium after a game and said......" we have to get Abbrederis on the field more - he makes plays "
I think he's been on the field for two ( or might be one ) plays from scrimmage since.....hmmmmm.....is McCarthy sending a message |
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Abbrederis and Janis need more game time , if for nothing else to freshen things up!!! You would like to think McCarthy is not sending a message but who knows , but surely he can even see that it's been a disaster since the tonking in Denver
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By all accounts Rodgers is a fan of Abbrederis ( good on the practice field,intelligent route runner who knows how to get open ) and the opposite of Janis ( big and raw who can't run the route tree ) but the latter has something the packers are short of in ALL areas.....SPEED
Can't understand why they don't put Janis in for say half a dozen plays a game and have him run deep and at least open up some underneath stuff for others.....opposing defences have no respect at all for the deep ball.... I'm not saying he would catch it even if you went his way mind - the last time they tried about three or four games ago Rodgers was livid cos he turned the wrong way  |
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Yeah very true grayhawk but the only way to find out is give him a chance , he needs experience. Absolutely no harm giving him some snaps as what is happening now is beyond depressing.
I know Nelson out was tough for Cobb because he gets most of the attention but for me he has been a huge disappointment |
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Yep him and Adams both.....as you say what harm can it do.
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I am not sure what last years championship game has to do with anything. They didn't play great that day but won the game. Any team can have off days but over the season they were the best team in the NFC.
With regard to the Rams game, I share the view that the game was meaningless and hence Seattle just didn't turn up. This team has a habit of only winning/performing when they need to. But I also agree with you that the Arizona game was meaningless (almost for them) and I am disregarding that result and should they meet in the playoffs it will be a completely different game. The likely playoff schedule looks as tough as it gets and if they win it they will deserve it. I think there is no value at 6/1 but I am not sure I can name a team that I would want to bet at 6/1 at the moment. It is that open that they have a better chance than most. |
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Clay my friend, Were you bullied at school?
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Greyhawk / dlarssonf - I have followed American Football very closely since the Superbowl of 2010 which was the first game I watched so I won't know as much as most people on here but I have a good eye for sport generally and we all have opinions. I am interested to know what you guys thought the Packers were like that season leading up to the Playoffs? Even without the deep threat of Nelson to be double teamed etc, is there any way the offense could come alive as the defense is playing really well?
Clay - Well the 'Boys need a backup QB in my view it's more important than a safety/cornerback issues and everything else as the Cowboys can't chance a repeat of this season with the defense playing really well but the state of the offense without the Romo losing 11 out of 12 games! I mean that's just unacceptable. Manziel and RG3 would bother be inately better than the state of what the fans had to put up with from the backups this season but again their characters could unsettle the players. Regards Hardy, I don't think he had too much of a negative influence on the actual team as the defense played well and I would expect him to produce more and have a strong season next term wherever that be. Even though Swardean is a Seahawk he is a good lad and always objective  |
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Last season I felt it was much easier to cut it down to a max of 3-4 possible winners way before the play offs whereas I find it very hard to call this year.
My own view is that the AFC Championship game will be Denver vs the Chiefs and the NFC will be Arizona / Green Bay vs Seattle. I will give my reasons. As dlarssonf has said, the Denver defense isn't getting that much respect when it was been excellent pretty much all season. If Denver can establish the run then they must have a strong chance with their excellent defense and home field advantage but you would have to question their QB situation. Peyton Manning isn't getting any younger but given his experience he is surely able to read what defenses are being shown to him on every play so he will know more often than not when to go with a run play or passing play - I think their chances will basically come down to his ability to read the game and establish the run. As obviously if they establish the run then it will create much easier passes for him to make. I think the Patriots are running out of juice, didn't Edelman suffer the same injury as Dez Bryant - the latter came back too soon and hasn't been the same player this season so I would question his productivity in the playoffs. Teams can double team the Gronk and reduce his output and I just don't think they have enough going for them to get it done this season. Wilson has arguably been the best QB for the past 2 months he has really stepped up his game - I think the Seahawks will beat the Vikings they are just a better team and Bridgewater looks like a bit of an accident waiting to happen against a good defense and I also fancy them to beat the Panthers - I actually think the only team in their way is the Packers at Lambeau. The Pack have badly underperformed lately but I still can't get out of my head last season that they were pretty average heading into the play offs only for Rodgers with one fit leg being able to beat the Cowboys who were in excellent form and then for 55 minutes completely dominate the Seahawks on the road when I haven't seen anyone else do that in recent years only to lose due to that bonehead who dropped the ball from the onside kick! But that performance at Seattle was mesmerising. The Packers will be as haunted by that as the Seahawks are of last seasons Superbowl interception and if the Pack beat the Redskins (which I think they will) and Arizona (hard to see based on their last game but it could happen) then they would have Seattle at home in the Championship game. I have watched the Panthers a lot this season and I think they have more weaknesses than people think, it's just that most teams they have played simply haven't been good enough to exploit them and take their chances when presented their way. E.g. the Giants inexplicably leaving 17 points in the field in the first half alone. Yes they edged past Seattle earlier in the season but the Seahawks are playing much better now and even thought they arguably aren't as strong as they were last season I still think they are a stronger football team than the Panthers. I know you are all over the Steelers Clay and I am a big fan of the way they play but I just think their secondary give up too many big plays and I just think good teams will gut them apart when it really matters. I do think the Steelers have great Superbowl potential, if not this season then certainly the next few years during which time the secondary will get stronger. |
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Also Sanders and Thomas are quality receivers, if Rodgers had those guys the Pack would be back! I think Denver have a lot going for them
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Very fair write up swagger and I take on board your points about the Steelers secondary. But who in the AFC is capable of picking it apart?
Manning? No one knows. Brady yes if Pats were healthy but that's a big if. Bengals have a back up. Chiefs gave been a bit of a dink and dunk offence. So they all have their issues. Yet there is no team in the AFC with an explosive offence like the Steelers and when it clicks they will be able to beat anyone. They already put up the most amount of yards that the Denver D conceeded all season only a few weeks ago. For instance, on Sunday, I think the Steelers will go for the Bengals throat straight away and try and turn it into a shootout. I think they will say to the Bengals if you can live with our passing attack then you deserve to continue in the play offs. P.s I think over could be a great bet in Pitt v bengals game for that reason |
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i would be right with you on overs in Cincinnati but going to have to keep a close eye on the weather.
It's looking like it may well be played in the wet on Sat night. A bit early for accurate forecasting and depends which forecast you look at tho. |
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Great thread, enjoyed the read. The next couple of weeks are as good as it gets for a nfl fan, some fantastic match ups, no doubt a shock somewhere! Personally, got some 16s Arizona - SB and 12s Pittsburgh - AFC, the latter ain't a strong fancy, but a certain uk online bookie still had them at 12s for a few mins after they had took the last play off slot, might lay it off if they beat Cincinnati. Enjoy it chaps cos September is a long way off...
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Fair points Clay. I suppose the counter-argument is if teams can establish the run against the Steelers then they would have to cover the rush more and give the receivers more chances over the top down the field but I think the Steelers have a pretty strong rush defense? I was just perplexed in a few games when teams just marched down and torched them, e.g. I felt they had the Seahawks game under control but they looked vulnerable through the air which was exposed in the second half. I heard that C J Anderson is feeling fully healthy of niggles etc for the first time all season, Hillman is explosive and Sanders and Thomas are very good receivers - if Manning can roll back the years I think they will be too strong for the Steelers at home. That said I really enjoy watching the Steelers play and it is wide open - as Bankit states, it really is a greay time as an NFL fan and basically enjoy the show!
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What price do you think Seattle would be away to the Panthers?
Also, what happened to Ty Montgomerie, is he still injured? I had hoped he would provide the deep threat for the Pack but he must be injured |
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Have any of you guys/girls been to the Hippodrome in Leicester Square to watch the American Football? I stumbled upon it I think from week 2 last season as myself and a few friends wanted to watch the later games and as busy back then but I have seen it grow more and more popular. They show every single game - it is just a fantastic venue to watch the games, food and drink very reasonably priced as well and it is just a great laugh - highly recommended for anyone who is at a loose end and doesn't know where to catch the games.
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Seattle @ panthers.... Seattle would be 13/8 - 7/4.. IMO.
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Swagger..that season the Packers were a team nobody wanted to face going into the play offs, they just had to win their last two games for a 10-6 record to punch their ticket.
They got off to one of their regular slow starts...falling to a 3-3 record on the back of two overtime field gold losses....the three losses in the second half of the season were by 3 points on the road to the number one seed Falcons,by four points on the road to Detroit where Rodgers left the game early with a concussion and the following week by 4 points at New England with a back up QB Flynn where McCarthy came out with his now famous quote before the game " we're nobodys underdog ".....in their six losses the biggest margin of defeat was FOUR points Packers went into them play offs full of confidence feeling they could beat anybody anywhere even when they had to return to Atlanta cos they came out of that game knowing they left a fair few points on the field that day ( Rodgers fumbling on the goal line in one instance )...the offence was playing at a high level and Rodgers took off in the play offs......the defence were playing well and had a knack of always seeming to force a turnover when they were desperate for one. The market also had confidence in the Packers cos they were one of the favourites heading into the post season even though they were the No 6 seed... ( can't remember the exact prices ) This season i have no confidence the offence will be able to turn it around....when you get to this point in the season you generally are what you've put on tape and we can all see they have been poor ( although it can be done.....the Colts defence did it in their Superbowl year - everybody ran all over them till safety Bob Sanders came back from injury in the play offs and they stoned all opponents )....it just doesn't look like an Aaron Rodgers led offence and he's played his worst football since he became the starter.....even last week on his late endzone interception James Jones had 6 or 7 yards to the outside for Rodgers to give him a TD but inexplicably he threw it inside, you would NEVER see Rodgers do that in seasons past. It's a pity cos as you say the defence is playing well enough and with a usual Packers offence i would still fancy them to win it all.....this year i personally think they have no chance Oh and yes Ty Montgomery has been out since around week 6 or 7.....they kept on thinking every week he would return but put him on IR a couple of weeks back. |
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Bankit...gotta disgaree there mate...i'll be shocked if the Seahawks are that big....be nearer to EVs 11-10 in my opinion....obviously how they look on national tv against the Vikings will be factored in.
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grayhawk - immense knowledge and very information many thanks. Yes I remember the inside throw aimed for James Jones which got intercepted versus the Vikings, just couldn't believe it as like you state Aaron Rodgers just doesn't do that! It's not looking good for the Packers then really. Who do you fancy out of interest?
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* very informative
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Arizona or Seattle for me Swagger
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Oh and i don't keep it all in my head....google is always good for prompting me
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Yep Swagger , grayhawk has summed up the 2010 season spot on but I will just add that the packers never lost a game by more than 4 points all season and they are still they only team since the merger to achieve this!!!!
It was actually the 2009 season that Aaron Rodgers came of age and it was a superbowl that definitely got away. The defence was awful that year but the packers managed to get to the wild card round against the Cardinals in the desert, one of the greatest games ever for me. Packers found themselves in a 17 - 0 hole after the first quarter mainly due to two special teams fumbles But Rodgers dragged Green bay back with some sensational plays , the chap was immense , it was just a pity that Kurt Warner was having the game of his life too. It went to overtime and it really was a case of who won the toss. The cardinals did and scored a td to win 51 - 45 but I believe that if the packers had of won that game they would have won the superbowl |
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Oh and good write up swagger!!!
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