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By:
dlarssonf
When: 21 Dec 15 12:04
Get see anyone else getting it
By:
dlarssonf
When: 21 Dec 15 12:05
Get see anyone else getting it rhino , the fellow is just sensational and deserves it by a country mile
By:
grayhawk
When: 21 Dec 15 12:27
Who's been more valuable to his team - no one....he has to get it and deserves it

He has a skill set that makes him EXTREMELY hard to defend and there's never been anyone quite like him at the quarterback position....so different athletically.

p.s...i can't stand the bloke Grin
By:
therhino
When: 21 Dec 15 12:59
Certainly revolutionising the position. Interesting stat - no QB in the history of the league has ever rushed for 50 yards when throwing a 5 TD game. Today he threw for 5, and rushed for 100 yards Shocked The most any QB has ever rushed before today when throwing 5 TDs was 49 yards - 3 weeks ago, his name was Cam Newton ShockedShocked
By:
grayhawk
When: 21 Dec 15 19:51
Cardinals lose Tyrann Mathieu for the season.
By:
Swardean
When: 28 Dec 15 04:49
A bizarre week Panthers, Packers, NE, Seattle. Steeler all losing.

With the exception of the Cardinals these teams were in a lot of pundits top 6 current power rankings.   Apart from steelers these teams had qualified, so was it a lack of focus or something deeper.

Whatever your view Cardinals emerged this week as series contenders and even have a shot of home field advantage throughout playoffs.

Another twist in a great season.  Managed to get a few quid on Vikings at 50s this morning to add to the outright market....  unlikely but 50/1 for most playoff teams at this stage seems fair.

Not guaranteed that Jets win in Buffalo next weeken.   So chance to bet Steelers at 25/1 if you think this week was a blip.

Crazy stuff indeed...  can't wait for next week !!
By:
sykes10
When: 28 Dec 15 20:23
yeah Steelers blew it a little last night,definitely overpriced at 25/1,probably worth a few quid but if backing them might be best to put the same stake on a Jets win next weekend,at least yad get some of the stake back if they miss out....
By:
bankit
When: 30 Dec 15 16:50
Chip Kelly gets fired, no real surprise I don't suppose. Philadelphia will find it difficult to move on from the mess he has left, and the  coach who takes that job on , is a brave man. Never liked the hands on approach of owners like Al Davis or Jerry Jones, but at the other end of the spectrum, this was a disaster.
By:
dlarssonf
When: 30 Dec 15 17:41
Still can't get my head around the amount of control Chip Kelly was handed at the Eagles - it had disaster written all over it.
By:
GoBallistic
When: 30 Dec 15 19:17
I could see the Eagles bouncing back next year - it's a good gig.  That roster already has plenty of talent and they are hardly in a tough division
By:
therhino
When: 03 Jan 16 00:22
What do people make of the Chiefs? Have seen very little/practically nil of them this year, but this 9 game winning streak they're on, demands some attention? Average winning margin of 16 points during that span. Threat?
By:
grayhawk
When: 04 Jan 16 12:41
Shocking how far the Packers offence has fallen from being the number one scoring offence last season Sad......even Rodgers has had his worst year since he became starter - unbelievable that a team that was often sitting Rodgers after three quarters in home games last season have been swept by the division at home this season Shocked.....

If i didn't want the Packers to win i'd be all over the Skins -1 like a rash next week.

My bet for next week is the Seahawks -4.5 .....had biggest bet of the season on the Hawks when they beat the Vikes a few weeks ago and will be having my second biggest next week.

Play off football Love
By:
Swardean
When: 04 Jan 16 14:04
Early thoughts....

Steelers @  Bengals - a couple of weeks ago I would have been all over the Steelers here but tbf in the last couple of weeks when they needed to get it done they have not looked that dynamic on offence and certainly give up points.   A lot will depend on if Dalton is back.    As per further up this thread I had a little on Pittsburgh at 25/1 last week but I see this as a coin toss and hence if I was having a bet (which I am not), I would take the Bengals plus the points (assuming Dalton is back)

Seahawks @ Vikings - The only real thing that has changed since Seattle dominated the Vikings in December is the loss of Rawls.  However, seahawks should have Lynch back for this so even if not at 100% seattle should be able to move the ball here.   AP was completely shutdown  and can see that happening again, doubt Teddy will be able to match pace with Seattle scoring.   Take Seahawks -4.5

Green Bay @ Washington - I can never get Green Bay right, so I won't be having a bet in this.   Green Bay have been horrible lately and Washington 'seem' to have come good.  Confidence if high but if you look at their schedule I dont think they have beaten a single team with a winning record this year!!  If I had to bet, I would bet packers to somehow get over the line.

Chiefs @ Texans - No idea
By:
ClayDavis
When: 04 Jan 16 16:07
I'm all over the Chiefs here. I don't think they are getting the credit they deserve for winning 10 straight on the bounce - including a win over Denver in Denver.
They have already won easily in Houston in week one. They might be getting Tamba Ali and Justin Houston back next week. The Texans best offensive line man us out for the year now so that is a huge blow to them.
The Texans are 4-6 outside their division. They only won their division because luck got injured. The Patriots have been awful the past month yet still went into Houston and won easy.
The Chiefs are a better all round team and will win easy.

Swardean I hear what you are saying re the steelers. But at the end of the day this will come down to Big Ben v McCarron and I know who my money is on. McCarron didn't convert a single 3rd down on Sunday. The last team the Bengals wanted to see was the steelers.
Antonio a Brown us still playing lights out football. An outstanding player.

The Packers are a mess
By:
Swardean
When: 04 Jan 16 16:14
Persuaded by your argument re:chiefs.   Is Dalton 100% confirmed out?
By:
equine flew
When: 05 Jan 16 04:25
Charles Tillman declared out for the season for the Panthers this morning.
By:
therhino
When: 05 Jan 16 09:02
Win/loss records for each team against other playoff contenders:

Denver 5-2
New England 3-1
Cincinatti 3-4
Houston 1-3
Kansas City 3-4
Pittsburgh 3-4

Carolina 4-0
Arizona 4-2
Minnesota 2-4
Washington 0-2
Green Bay 3-4
Seattle 3-4
By:
dlarssonf
When: 05 Jan 16 11:18
wow Chuck Pagona keeps his job SurprisedSurprised
By:
grayhawk
When: 05 Jan 16 13:23
Surprised everybody that move dl.
By:
dlarssonf
When: 05 Jan 16 14:16
Yeah big time grayhawk!!
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 05 Jan 16 15:36
just back from a couple of weeks away & looking at week 17 results,what on earth happened to the cardinals ?
By:
Rico88
When: 05 Jan 16 17:42
I'm fine with Pagano keeping his job, but giving Grigson an extension is lunacy. That guy should have been shown the door.
By:
johnnythebull
When: 05 Jan 16 17:44
flat track bullies getting a reality check against a proper team
By:
ClayDavis
When: 05 Jan 16 18:57
My wildcard weekend thoughts:

If you held a gun to my head now and said I must bet on all four games I would say the road teams will win all four games. When was the last time - if ever - all four road teams won on wildcard weekend?

Green Bay @ Washington
Losing the division actually was no bad thing for the packers. On the road to Washington and then to Arizona if they win. The packers have been a mess for a while now but ultimately this game will come down to whether you trust Rodgers or Cousins? The Redskins have been quite poor against the run this season and their secondary isn't great so it gives the packers offense a chance. It will all come down to whether the packers offensive line can protect Rodgers and whether Eddie Lacey and James Starks can bring their A games. If they do then the Packers win IMHO

Seattle @ Minnesota
Although Seattle probably wins this I think this game will be a lot closer than the betting and many on here think.
I do like a team that learns and the Vikings certainly have. Beaten badly by the Packers at home, they learned, made adjustments, made improvements and gained revenge over the packers at the weekend.
They lost badly at home to Seattle when they were coming off that bruising lose to the packers.
Also they got behind early against the Seahawks and they were not equipped to come from behind the way they were set up.
They have made adjustments and they are now getting the ball out of Bridgewater's hands quicker. If they can do that at weekend that will open up lanes for AP too. But Seattle's front four are very strong and they will try and take AP out of the game and force Bridgewater to beat them.
Seattle have also not played a road play off game since Matty Ice iced them a few years ago.
In the last two NFC championship games in Seattle they were second best and only won because of opposition mistakes/meltdowns. Both those Seattle sides were better than this one.
Can they win on the road in the play offs? Will their offensive line hold up or start crumbling like it has for most of the season.
Remember this is a team carved to shreds by Carson Palmer at home and carved to shreds by Big Ben at home - people talk about their defence.......this is not even close to being the same defence they had in the previous three years.

Kansas @ Houston
I have made my feelings very clear on this game and I'm all over the Chiefs here. Hopkins is an excellent WR and a real threat but I expect Kansas to double up on him and take him out and force Hoyer to beat them through the air to other targets. I wouldn't trust Hoyer as far as I could throw him.
I think this Cheifs defence is for real and they have Ali and possibly Justin Houston coming back this week.
I like this Chiefs team and I like the balance they have. If any other team had won ten in a row people would be ranting and raving about them but the Chiefs have flown under the radar.

Steelers @ Cincinnati
I bow to no one in my love of this Steelers offence. I'm on them at massive prices for the super bowl. If Bell was fit for the play offs  I would say they were a cast iron cert to win the Super bowl - they have no had all their offensive weapons on the pitch at the same time this season.....such a shame.
While I think they will win this game a few things concern me.
I think it will benefit the Bengals being underdogs here. Taking the pressure off them and how they can't win play off games in recent years.
I would far rather Dalton was playing - from a steelers point of view. Dalton is a one and done play off quarter back and all the pressure would be on him. Plus facing the Steelers, a team he doesn't have a great record against. It's a prime dalton meltdown game.
Whereas with AJ McCarron it's almost a free shot. No pressure. People are expecting him to lose. He can almost come out swinging and take his shot.
He could be dangerous.
If Dalton is playing I'd be super confident about the steelers.
I think the steelers will win but I'm not as confident.
By:
Swardean
When: 06 Jan 16 21:05
So you have changed your mind on the Packers clay since yesterday post?   I initially wanted Redskins but just think Pack find a way.

It is not confirmed that Andy Dalton will NOT start against the Steelers.
By:
Sudoku_Junior
When: 06 Jan 16 21:53
I can't see Dalton starting Swardean, to be able to fully grip and put velocity on a football within a month of breaking your thumb would be some going imo even with the finest physio and rehab money can buy.

Wanted to be on the steelers but can't back them at that price, especially with the status of Deangelo Williams in doubt. An experienced pro at running back in the play offs is near enough essential imo (pats and S Jax) and he will be a big big loss if he is unable to make it, and i think that that is being overlooked at present. Add into that the fact it is against a division opponent, on the road who probably won't be too happy about seemingly being overlooked because of the injury to Dalton, i think the steelers are far too short. Would be a pick em for me.

Really really like Seattle which always puts me off as if something seems too good to be true it usually is. I just can't see Bridgewater beating Seattle in the air and they will bottle up AP. Seahawks have been rolling, and i now give this side the credit they deserve. I underestimated and underrated them in both the past two seasons. I won't be making the same mistake again.

Green bay is a tricky one, and i certainly won't be backing them at odds on. Im willing to look past there slump as they were seemingly always bound for the post season but where they would be ranked was the only question. Offensively they concern me, receivers just don't get separation and i personally feel they abandon the run game far too quickly. Lacy and starks are essential for this offence to fire. Rodgers will always have a majestic drive in him and they will never be out of the game while he is under centre, but this Washington team seem to have got something going, in terms of spirit and camaraderie, there is no doubt they have rallied around cousins and i don't think that can be discounted, but i suppose the question is can Kirk get it done in the playoffs. Looking like a wait and see game for me.

As always with play off football it will come down to who can hold their nerve at the most critical points.
By:
Swardean
When: 06 Jan 16 22:13
Nice write up SJ.  Important Typo in my post. 

It is NOW confirmed that Andy Dalton will NOT start against the Steelers.
By:
grayhawk
When: 15 Jan 16 17:18
Antonio Brown ruled out for the Steelers this weekend...obviously a MASSIVE blow to their chances to go along with Big Bens shoulder
By:
dlarssonf
When: 15 Jan 16 17:42
Yeah it's a huge loss grayhawk. Wonder what the over's in that match is going to settle at , can't be much more than 40
By:
ClayDavis
When: 15 Jan 16 20:41
Absolutely gutted about Brown....devastated. He is the best receiver in the league and he has been outstanding this season. Gave Chris Harris a torrid time in their recent meeting
By:
Swardean
When: 15 Jan 16 20:48
You doing you picks this weekend Clay or do you think the games too close to call ?
By:
ClayDavis
When: 15 Jan 16 21:42
Swardean, was waiting to find out if Big Ben and Broen were fit as massively fancied steelers if they were. Will be putting them up tonight/tomorrow
By:
Swardean
When: 15 Jan 16 23:36
Ok, irrespective of personnel I have done steelers +7. Pretty confident.
By:
therhino
When: 16 Jan 16 01:04
Jones really is a tool. Bad enough what he did then accused Brown of faking it. Said he deserved a Grammy, I think you mean an Oscar, or an Emmy Pacman...

Flog.
By:
dlarssonf
When: 16 Jan 16 16:15
Pacman was totally out of line therhino but that's nothing new for himCry
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