Cardinals to curb the Dirty Birds

The Falcons are known as the Dirty Birds, not the Seahawks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_nicknames

I am taking on the 6.5 spread. Seahawks are a class act.  Their road woes must end soon.  I am well impressed with Russell Wilson.

Some smashmouth football, nice

Be careful. Palmer likes to give the ball away and the Seahawks like taking it away!

Seattle has a decent pass rush and the prospect of Palmer, behind that O line, throwing against that secondary, trying to find a gimpy Fitz, is troubling. I really like Andre Ellington, but he'll find it tough tonight, forcing Palmer downfield.

The Cards do have a decent D and the short week plays well for the home team, but Lynch and Wilson can keep the chains moving. If Calais Campbell is out, that will hurt the Cardinals.

Palmer will throw at least two picks giving the Seahawks a short field, and Wilson can get it done - they look a TD better. Maybe a little Unders?

Bonne chance

db1974 - i'm well aware of that - 49ers fans call them the dirty birds as well

"I'm not saying Arizona will win but I think this will be a close one. Anyone betting the Dirty Birds to cover a 6pt spread on the road wants their head examined. They may do it but you would be in the grubber if u were betting them on the road in the past to cover the spread."

Incorrect. Seattle are 11-7 ATS on the road since 2011.

"Also this is a place where they have struggled. They have lost 8 out of their last 10 visits here. They lost here last season"

They lost narrowly due to a crucial dropped pass.  This was also week 1 and debut for Wilson.  Theyplayed again 3 months later and Seattle won 58-0

"PLus the Cardinals are getting all their players back week by week and are getting better."

Seattle have Miller and Clements back this week.

"They will try and stop the run and force Palmer to beat them through the air."

Cards have no running game and the 'pick machine' Palmer will find it tough against the best secondary in the league.

"I can see this being a brutal game. But I'm not having the Dirty Birds as 6pt favs and there are plenty reasons for thinking the Cardinals will cover this, and some."

I agree it will be a brutal game and the fact is it a divisional game means it shouldn't be a blowout, but I think Seattle cover tonight.  GL

Oct 17, 2013 -- 6:27PM, ClayDavis wrote:

db1974 - i'm well aware of that - 49ers fans call them the dirty birds as well

CLay.  WTF.  The Seahawks and the 49ers are somehow known as the dirty birds ?  Never heard it.  Maybe once somewhere someone referred to the Seahawks as the dirty birds, but it is generally accepted, hell, universally accepted the TDB is the moniker of the Falcons, and only the Falcons.

I recall a match between arizona and seattle either last season or the year before, in arizona,they kept shutting out the seahawks inside the 5 time and time again,cards made a habit of doing that.

That was Week 1 last year Harry. Seahawks had 7 consec plays in the Redzone (incl 1st-&-Goal from the 6) and couldn't finish it. They're a bit better now though.

The Seahawks have shown that their road woes are not going to bother this side and I think they win well tonight, double figures anyway. Palmer isn't good enough to keep the Cards in it IMO.

If ever there was a case to not now, or ever, bet the point spread, this game is the poster boy.  Too many ifs and I don't knows.  How will the Cardinal O line hold up ?  When Seattle blitzes, can Palmer hit the outside 1 on 1.  His money in the bank ( Fitzgerald) will be covered like a blanket by an all star, just waiting for the INT, probably baiting with some loose coverage.  What will Seattle do when their run game is stiffed ?  How is Wilson when he has to throw, and the Cards will know it.

All games come down to a couple of key matchups.  Larry will effectively be taken out of the game.  Seattle will apply heat to Palmer, which he has shown for years he continually makes bad split second decisions.  If Arizona shuts down the run, Seattle will find a way to let Wilson run loose and find  gaps behind the line.

It looks like it might be a 6+ win for Seattle to me, but I only bet the spread if I like the dog to win outright.  I took the 1.46 ML on Seattle, it's 1.47 now.  The guy who hates the dirty birds will give the 6 points, for you point spread betters, take the hint.  Swardean did an excellent job of countering all his points why Arizona is a bet.

Anyone who bets the spread and wins, hats off to you.  I can't do it.

OOPS.  The guy who hates the dirty birds will take the 6 points tonight.

Agree completely Still Standing......just don't get betting the spread, unless I genuinely fancy the underdog to win outright - then its a bonus.

Line now down to +4.5.  I am so tempted...

even if seattle lose swardean,we know it won't be by more than 7,never is

The seattle secondary will have a field day..

Whether I'm right or wrong, the market clearly agrees with me. All u hawk backers should be cleaning up. I'm very happy to keep Arizona on side and more than happy with Arizona +6. This is going to be a very close game

I THINK ODDS WILL INCREASE ON SEATTLE WHY SETTLE FOR THE 1.46. ARIZONA SCORE EARLY AND SEATTLE GO 3 AND OUT U CAN GET EVENS. JUST WAIT IN PLAY.

Arizona + 12.5 looks tempting to me

THURS NIGHT FOOTBALL IS PI$$ POOR THE SOOR THEY CHANGE IT THE BETTER

No way Seattle goes to 3 if Zona scores a TD first.

EVENS NOT 3

Right Bean.  Sorry about that.  It's moot now, but I think they would have been 1.80 ish

Russell Wilson

THIS COULD BE A BLOW OUT STILL

WHO YOU ON??

Wilson was outstanding there

THAT DRIVE WAS WAY TOO EASY NO BET SO FAR BUT IF SEATTLE CHOKE ZONA OFFENSIVELY ITS BED TIME

LOOKS LIKE CARDS AINT COVERING JACK TONIGHT

BED TIME NO VALUE BET TO SEE HERE GOOD LUCK CARDS +6 BACKERS ITS GONNA BE A LOOOOONG NIGHT

great throw again

Could be another 58-0 this complete men against boys.

It looks like men vs boys, but greed kills, and this is the NFL.  I put my tail between my legs and got out @ 1.10.  Then on the next play, Hawks score a TD, I'm cursing myself, and the price goes to 1.12  Go figure.

Hey punk, we come up with the men against boys saying at the same time.

This Cards D would struggle to contain the Jags tonight
Bell tried harder to stamp on the reciever than he id to actually tackle him!!

For those looking for a competitive match the Hurricanes are in a good game with North Carolina right now

Yeah still standing gotta admit I thought the Cards plus the points was the play tonight was the play but its been a total mismatch so far.
I know its the NFL but cant see them getting back into it Seattle maybe value in-running could be a rout.

I'm not getting back in, but it would be a golden opportunity to take some Seattle if Zona scores here.

free Ellington

Value play now is Seattle @ 1.07.  Arizona might not get the ball again this half, Seattle gets it first next half.  The score could easily be 28 - 3

And there goes the NFL again

ha unreal if was a boxing match it wud have been stopped but that the NFL.Still fancy Seattle to kick on on & minus 7 seems fair.

Clearly a catch, how can this guy with the lisp question it???

Bell the defender again arriving later than london transport

Pts totals from this score in 10 years of games.

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40
40
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42
44
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Two of those were this exact fixture, oddly.

ARI CARDINALS     SEA SEAHAWKS     0    7    10    17    17    17    31    20    7    27    34    51    -7    -7    0    11    A    A    D    H

ARI CARDINALS     SEA SEAHAWKS     7    7    10    17    10    26    18    36    14    27    36    54    0    -7    -16    -18    D    A    A    A

Cardinals are too long imo.  This game could be decided by acouple of mistakes.

Cards D have taken over this game

PI

Cards O utter scutter

FG there is good enough for now. The worry is that next time they get it they will need to turn it into a TD...

Agree, Cardinals too long here - can see another Arizona turnover here

And THAT is no TD

Impressively cool head there.  Will their defense get the job finished?  I hope not, because I can't trade out now.

Wilson just too good. Lynch motoring now as well

And there is the 1.01 interception.

31-13 3rd Qtr - 3.52 left

Another redzone fumble by seattle,

Keeping it interesting

Arizona aren't playing real bad

they just have no real offence and all their points have been from very short fields

Their just not that good, Wilson major achilles heel been exposed tonight

close

how many injuries do seattle have on this offensive line?? being exposed tonight albeit against a very good defence

3 starters harry but as you say they are against a good D and have done well.  Will be very good when they rtn.

As expected cads cant move the ball (no run and passing always under pressure)

td. cardinals can win from here

Now your having a laugh, seattle gave em a TD, playing soft defensive with the game in the bag

would love ariz to get another quick td now

would make it interesting

Bunch of Arizona +6 bettors hoping desperately for a TD for the win of course, and also to go back on certain forums they haven't been on for a couple of hours just to gloat.  Ain't going to happen.

What is the wisdom of Hawks playing soft D when it's just inviting Cards on? Run down the clock I suppose but better to kill teams off completely no?

it's a strange strategy

if there is a more overrated team than the Hawks then I have yet to see them

Excellent performance, completely dominated a previously unbeaten team at home.

Nice long rest until the trip to St Louis a week on Monday

Oct 18, 2013 -- 4:51AM, ClayDavis wrote:

if there is a more overrated team than the Hawks then I have yet to see them

Arizona Cardinals would be at the top of my list.  Is there a smiley face for 'sour grapes'

I guess their wisdom is, its Carson Palmer we can't lose, which is fair enough but a proper qb might make them pay. Seattle are for real though and I believe the superbowl is between themselves and Broncos this year. Hawks mightn't have the recievers that Denver have but their Defense makes up for that, their secondary in particular. I'd have Lynch ahead of Moreno at RB,(only just mind you). Special teams probably much of a muchness so Wilson v Peyton? hmmm...

responding to ww there

Some good informative posts at the start of this thread.  Thanks for sharing

Om 2nd thoughts, Seattle were blessed tonight.

Lets break things down.

Extremely lucky pick when Fitz burnt Browner(who got away with PI) and the ball bounces into Thomas' lap.

3 seattle fumbles, one in the redzone, two inside their own 20 and the cards only recover one.

The field goal shenanigans just before HT when the clock should have expired.

The Russell Wilson throw on 3rd down when this rule applied: Officials are to blow the play dead as soon as the quarterback is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler, and his safety is in jeopardy.

Browner clearly pulled the jersey on his pick should have been a holding call

Most blatant facemask of the century unbelievably NOT called

agree with mr mischief. not only are the Hawks not the best side in the NFC, they are not even in the best team in their division

Who is better than them then? No team in the East or North is better than them. We'll find out in Week 13 if the Saints are better and they are already 2-0 in the division with the weakest of the 4 teams left to play

Green Bay match up very well against the Hawks. As was proved when they beat them in Seattle last year but the replacement refs seemed to be only ones who thought it was a Hawk TD and awarded them a win.
Green Bay strong against run. Got a strong running game now. Receivers (when fit) able to deal with their secondary) and a QB who is as good on the run as he is in the pocket

I agree with Mr M and Clay. The Seahawks have to play away from home and get the job done to win the Superbowl, i just see them falling short away from home. For example in last season's play offs Washington had them on toast before RG3 had to play on one leg, people seem to forget that.

Assuming they are relatively healthy, I would fancy Green Bay to take the Seahawks home or away in the play offs. But then i fancy the Pats to take Denver should they meet in the divisional game in the AFC

The Seahawks will be next to impossible to beat in Seattle if they get the No.1 seed. They are currently on an 11-game winning streak at home and if they beat the Saints at home in Week 13 then they can probably afford to lose to the 49ers the week after and still get the No.1 seed.

On the road is a different story however although they have showed this season already that they are a lot better on the road than they traditionally have been

At the moment they are the NFC team to beat IMO

seahawks will win NFC.

they have a very easy schedule when you look at it.

The only team that can beat them i think in the NFC are the Packers if they are fit and healthy.

I think they will struggle to win the SB though personally, esp in New York.

if there is a more overrated team than the Hawks then I have yet to see them


>>>I see you've been letting your emotions make your bets again...

Oct 18, 2013 -- 10:28AM, ClayDavis wrote:

agree with mr mischief. not only are the Hawks not the best side in the NFC, they are not even in the best team in their division

WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH

I assume Mr Mischiefs post about Seattle being lucky last night was tongue in check and well Clay is... clay.

To anyone who watched the game last night, the gulf in class was huge and the only luck invovled was that it wasnt a blow out.

However, whether seattle isgood enough to win the big one... I'm not sure.  I hope they are but I will reserve judgement until after the falcons (away) 49ers (away) and saints (home) games are completed

thanks for the update swardean

going to watch the highlights myself tonight

Swardean - wtf do u mean clay is well clay???

What I mean clay is you come on here with your black and white opinions when this sport is anything but.

Plus most forumite will admit they got it wrong. When it comes to Seattle and your partisan views, this does not seem to be the case.

Spot on Swardean.

Leave Clay alone. He's been calling heads lately, and his coin is coming up heads.  My worry is a bunch of people who don't know anything about the NFL wander in here looking for a bet.  They see a coin flipper is doing well at the moment, maybe follow along.  Funny thing about those point spread bettors, things seem to revert to the mean.

fcuk off

'My worry is a bunch of people who don't know anything about the NFL wander in here looking for a bet.  They see a coin flipper is doing well at the moment, maybe follow along.'

An altruistic exchange punter. Unusual.