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By:
d13phe
When: 25 Sep 12 10:01
absolute disgrace again

These refs are causing my wallet much harm
By:
d13phe
When: 25 Sep 12 10:13
Penalties (Number-Yards)    10 - 127        Penalties (Number-Yards)    14 - 118

is that some kind of record?

Talk about dictating a game!!
By:
noland2_
When: 25 Sep 12 10:30
I could stop a train Sad anyone tell me how low the price went on GB??
By:
CJ
When: 25 Sep 12 13:08
Just watched the game in entirety, i must say those officials were bordering on corrupt.

How can the review guy come to the conclusion that that was caught fairly (the push was sooo blatent) and not intercepted, absolutely beggars belief.

Seattles previous drive was kept alive by numerous joke calls, the pass interference, the roughing the passer etc, and then to end the game like that makes a mockery of TV reviews.
By:
dr . atkins
When: 25 Sep 12 13:25
the nfl have to sought this out never seen anything like it in 30yrs of american football
By:
GoBallistic
When: 25 Sep 12 13:27
The review of the final play was just about the only correct call on the final drive (due to the limits of replay review). The push was irrelevant as far as replay goes. To overturn the catch there would need to be clear evidence that the defender caught the ball and controlled it all the way to the ground or that the ball touched the ground - but there was neither
By:
sweetchildofmine
When: 25 Sep 12 13:39
any video reviewer at the end worth his salt and an ounce of common sense would have seen the push and overturned it...yes i know u cant refer on that decision but nobody knows his mind he could still have given the benefit based on the evidence..its a bit like when a judge tells a jury to ignore a murderers previous convictions...do you think once in the room they do ignore it?
By:
grayhawk
When: 25 Sep 12 13:49
Sweet.... these refs are so incompetent i bet he even missed the interference  when reviewing the replay Laugh

Gotta feel sorry for the division3 college kids who have to ENDURE this officiating every game.
By:
DRAGON DANCER
When: 25 Sep 12 13:51
Why didnt the 3 GB guys just try to bat ball away over the sideline, surely easier than a catch?

Cry
By:
grayhawk
When: 25 Sep 12 14:22
Yeah a lot of people have said that but it can still be caught off a bat down.......witness Titus Young doing the exact thing for the Lions on Sunday night.
By:
chipfire227
When: 25 Sep 12 14:44
Thats me done with NFL until this gets sorted out, feel like I got mugged. Wasn't just the appalling calls on the last few drives, the whole thing has now become a complete lottery.
By:
themightymac
When: 25 Sep 12 15:22
swardean
"Summary a fair win for Seattle"


If you think that was a "fair" win then you are the only person on the planet that does. I`ll give you the benefit of the doubt and put it down to your poor choice of vocabulary. "Deserved" would have been a better word to use, although even then I would strongly disagree. Devil
By:
CJ
When: 25 Sep 12 15:42
GoBallistic, are you serious? Not enough video evidence????

The ball was clearly caught by Jennings, and he had control against his chest. It does not have to hit the floor, it's all about who had control first in a joint situation so clearly not a joint catch. How do we know this, because it was shown on video.
By:
themightymac
When: 25 Sep 12 16:01
correct CJ, Jerry Austin the Super Bowl referee said exactly the same thing last night during controversy.
By:
DRAGON DANCER
When: 25 Sep 12 16:08
It's just incredible how all those decisions went against GB at the end. They were all so very wrong, none of them that close to being the correct call, not even easy to make a case for any of the 3 mistakes to be the call that was made, shocking stuff. NFL have to sort it out. Can you imagine the Premier League getting refs from u-18 games to ref all their games?!
By:
I win every time!
When: 25 Sep 12 18:07
GoBallistic - quite right. According to the rules of the game the final call was correct not to be over turned.
By:
themightymac
When: 25 Sep 12 18:17
GO BALLISTIC - "The review of the final play was just about the only correct call on the final drive (due to the limits of replay review). The push was irrelevant as far as replay goes. To overturn the catch there would need to be clear evidence that the defender caught the ball and controlled it all the way to the ground or that the ball touched the ground - but there was neither"

Was there not? Bollocks Whoops

http://i.imgur.com/hOrH7.jpg
By:
DRAGON DANCER
When: 25 Sep 12 18:37
NFL: "The NFL officiating department reviewed the video today and supports the the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling."

NFL: "The result of the game is final"



In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game.

Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.

While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

The result of the game is final.

Applicable rules to the play are as follows:

A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch:

A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(B) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

© maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (B) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).

When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
By:
Sudoku_Junior
When: 25 Sep 12 18:39
Problem with these refs is that if the identical play was played at lambeau, green bay would have got the call. Far too much home bias imo.

Noticed some american sportsbooks have refunded losing packers bets.
By:
themightymac
When: 25 Sep 12 19:07
UK bookies should do the same but won`t.
By:
Swardean
When: 25 Sep 12 19:22
themightymac, I have just read my post and the use of 'fair' was definitely inappropriate in the context of this game.

I meant on the overall balance of play they just about edged it for me and their didnt really look any other winner until towards of the end of the 3rd quarter.

Interesting read from the NFL, and suppose once the tate push off is missed, there was not much they could do.
By:
DRAGON DANCER
When: 25 Sep 12 19:23
P-power refunded... fair play to them, commendable gesture.

365 I done my bet with, no chance from them... withdrawing my money from there now in anger they won't refund that robbery Laugh Yes I know paying out on the result is what they do, but last night were exceptional circumstances imo... amateur refs fcking it up so epicly it's beyond belief. That's the risk we take though...
By:
grayhawk
When: 25 Sep 12 19:31
I backed the Packers on here.....i'm currently in heated negotiations with a number of unidentified posters about the refunding of last nights losses Silly
By:
Sudoku_Junior
When: 25 Sep 12 19:43
I backed the packers and somehow managed to lay off my stake before the final play! I wasn't very amused when i saw my green bay green go to the bin!
By:
chipfire227
When: 25 Sep 12 19:58
I also backed with 365, and withdrew remaining funds in the account today as wont be having another bet in forseeable future. The defensive pass inteference call on first and 38 was an even worse decision. Especially as the live commentary team called that one as it should have been in live play too.
By:
grayhawk
When: 25 Sep 12 20:02
What about the roughing the passer call when Wilson had been intercepted Angry
By:
chipfire227
When: 25 Sep 12 20:39
Or the one where they correctly over ruled the Touchdown, but then gave a hideous spot on the one and a quarter line, about a foot away from a first down.

I could go on all night about it but whats the point. It didnt cost me mega bucks but it's the principle-how can you have a bet when so many farcical calls are made in key situations ?
By:
Sudoku_Junior
When: 25 Sep 12 21:08
Think its time to have fun with a few little accas only, until this is sorted.
By:
CJ
When: 25 Sep 12 21:44
The only upside out of this mess is that the Pack have drifted again for the SB and i've gone in again too top up.

That young defence full of rookies is going to just get better and better, and if there O line can play like they did in the 2nd half then GB are a great bet again to go all the way.

Rodgers and Co will surely get back into the groove and start racking up 30 points a game soon, Benson is gradually looking at home and Starks is due back soon to take the onus off Rodgers a little.

Seattle are a tough team at home, and in the 2nd half GB totally dominated them, that was very reassuring to watch after last years issues.
By:
Swardean
When: 25 Sep 12 22:29
Agree CJ, GB offence really picked up against a great seahawks D, will still be right in the mix.  However you can say that about a few teams
By:
HARRY22
When: 26 Sep 12 06:53
Packers D seems to have got better each week since the 49ers defeat...Keep pushing the packers price out please Cool..clay matthews is a man on a mission at the moment...imagine how fired up this team will be next week.
By:
d13phe
When: 26 Sep 12 13:02
Having seen the Pete Caroll interview I used to like Pete Caroll.

That has all gone out of the window.  what a numpty!
By:
HARRY22
When: 26 Sep 12 13:20
The pats secondary only gave up one bad play and they lost,,,they never got what they deserved.

agree on pete caroll....giving credit to his QB for throwing a ball as high and far as he could Laugh saying it was clutch
By:
grayhawk
When: 26 Sep 12 13:26
Would love to see Carrolls reaction if Seattle lose the game this weekend on a referees decision.....see how the man reacts when the boots on the other foot.
By:
db1974
When: 26 Sep 12 13:26
Didn't Pete Carroll have a run-in with John Harbaugh in college a while back? Something to do with running up the score I think. Gonna have a look for it on Youtube.
By:
HARRY22
When: 26 Sep 12 13:27
This has to be the longest lasting inplay match thread Cool
By:
db1974
When: 26 Sep 12 13:27
It was Jim actually (I always mix them up) and it was less than handbags stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeS3VeluAmg
By:
themightymac
When: 26 Sep 12 18:06
Like I said earlier, Carroll is a smarmy pr*ck and thats without seeing the interview. Just to be expected from the guy. He would have gained more respect if he had told it as it was. He was in charge of USC during the controversial years. Can`t wait for 49ers to hump the Seadawks home and away.
By:
Pounf
When: 26 Sep 12 21:22
No matter how infuriating - I was on Packers money line and -3 - I dont think having a go at the bookies is really justified. For once this is not of their doing. I`m sure there was a split second on the replay where Tate had only one hand on the ball, when Jenkins had two, so how on earth can it NOT be overruled, I also think the fact the decision was made unbelievably quickly, I just dont think the guy even looked closely, he cant have done in the time he took.

It stinks
By:
Pounf
When: 26 Sep 12 21:23
Golden Tate...wonder if his middle name is "Bo££ocks" ?
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