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Chaps, here is the draft constitution ....

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Roster Limits

Status.....................Min........Max   
Active Players...........0..........23   
Reserve Players.......7..........9   
Injured Players........0..........0   
Minors Players.........0..........0   
Total Players............7..........32   

Position (Active Min) (Active Max) (Roster) Total
C 0 1 4
1B    0    1    5
2B    0    1    4
3B    0    1    5
SS    0    1    4
MI    0    1    4
CI    0    1    5
OF    0    5    13
U    0    2    7
P    0    9    15

Scoring Settings

Scoring System    Rotisserie System.

Player Policies
Description    Setting
Player Eligibility    Players are eligible at their primary position, plus positions they've played 20 games last year or 5 games this year.
Pitcher Minimums    Pitchers must accumulate at least 900 innings pitched and can not accumulate more then 5000 innings pitched over the course of the season or it will be placed in last place in the team ERA and WHIP categories.
Player Pool    AL and NL Players.

Transaction Settings
Description    Setting
Lineup Policy    Owners may set lineups and change players' positions from a list of their eligible positions.
Lineup Deadline    Lineups may be set daily up to 5 minutes before gametime.
Add/Drop Policy    Owners may not do add/drops.
Trade Policy    Owners may do trades.
Trade Deadline    No trades can be made after the trade deadline of 11:59 pm et 8/15/12.
Offseason Trades    Owners may not make trades during the offseason.

The following is the constitution for BF Auction Keeper League. It will be updated only to clarify existing rules and when rules changes are approved by a majority vote of team owners.

Prizes are intended to enhance interest in participating fully throughout the Major League Baseball season and, to the extent possible, the offseason. The fun of winning, of improving, or just competing should be the primary purpose. However, prizes will be allocated with the intention of rewarding the best teams/owners and providing incentive for struggling teams to continue to remain active. Accordingly, each year, the owner of the team that increases its standings point total the most between the All Star Break and the end of the season (without finishing in the top three positions in the standings) will be eligible for a prize.

Governance

The league’s initial commissioner is the founder, Uncle O. The other two initial members of the Executive committee are BostSox Law and that idiot Wilksey. In the absence of the commissioner, either of the other two Executive Committee members, but preferably both in agreement, can act in his stead.

One member of this committee will act as treasurer.

The commissioner or another Executive Committee member can be replaced by a simple majority vote of active team owners. Similarly, any rule can be changed by a simple majority vote of active team owners. This is meant to be a democracy, and a source of fun.

Player Pool

The player pool will be mixed leagues beginning in 2012. Any player in the host site database can be rostered as long as he has signed a contract with a Major League franchise. Japanese players, independent league players and prospects not drafted or drafted and not yet signed by a Major League franchise cannot be rostered.

Fees and Prizes

Each year, at the end of the regular Major League Baseball season (including all tie-breaker games before the best-of-five and best-of-seven playoff series) team owners will be awarded prizes based on their teams’ total standings points at the season’s end. Standings points are earned by each team in each category based on the cumulative statistics that team’s active players generate. A complete re-draft occurs the following March, with the exception of up to five players that any team owner may retain from the previous season.

There are cash prizes, so annual fees will be the annual fee of the host site of the league and an entry fee that will constitute that year’s prize fund; the total of those costs will be divided by the number of team owners.  There will be no other fees of any sort.

The first place winner will win 50% of the prize fund, the second 25%, and the third 15%, with the remaining 10% to the most improved manager.

Rosters

Active roster slots will include one catcher, one first baseman, one second baseman, one shortstop, one third baseman, one corner infielder, one middle infielder, five outfielders, two utility players (any hitters) and nine pitchers, or 23 total active players, plus a bench of nine players.

Rosters must be set daily before games, with the exact time determined by the specs of the host web site.

Live Online Draft

Each team’s keeper players and their corresponding salaries for the coming season will be posted before the live draft. They will be allocated to active roster slots where possible, and to the bench where not possible, before the beginning of the live auction draft. The total salaries of keeper players will be subtracted from the $260 available to each team owner as the baseline of “money” available to each owner for the remaining slots in the live draft.

For example, if a team has five keepers on the active roster with a total value of $60, he will have $200 to fill the remaining 18 active slots during the online auction. If the league draft software does not recognize keepers and their adjusted salaries, team owners will have to “draft” their keepers in their first nomination rounds at the agree-upon salaries—without interference from other owners.

The auction draft will occur each March, with ample notice given to team owners of potential draft dates.

The commissioner will make every effort to accommodate the schedules of participants in scheduling the draft date. However, if there is no date that is considered perfect by all participants, and/or the online draft site has schedule limitations, the commissioner will select the date and time acceptable to the most participants.

Hints

• Practice with mock drafts at the site of the actual draft if possible a few times well before the actual draft date.
• Have some sort of cheat sheet of player values for the live draft. The auction goes very fast, there is no time to do research once it begins, and team owners rarely have as much money as they think they have (or should have) in the late rounds.
• If the auction software allows, load your maximum bids for as many players as you can. This is particularly important in case you have technical problems and the system makes picks for you for any period of time.
• Get on the draft site well before the start time and make sure it is working for you. Plan to devote at least three hours to the live draft, and perhaps more.
• Be prepared with players to nominate before and during the draft.
• Remember that you cannot spend more than the $260 on the regular 23-player roster, so you must save at least $1 (the minimum auction bid) for each of the 23 spots on your roster—including keepers. Bids are made in increments no smaller than $1. You are not required to “spend” the full $260, but unspent dollars have no value. No auction dollars are used in the reserve draft.
• It is possible but not guaranteed that there will be draft “pauses” determined by the commissioner/auctioneer or the auction system for bathroom breaks and other purposes. This will depend on the way the auction site works. If there are pauses, any player rostered automatically by the auction software can be moved to another position for which the player qualifies, if the technology permits. If not, such moves must be made after the conclusion of the draft.
• Understand that in extreme cases, such as auction site malfunction, one or more rounds of the draft might be rescinded and done over if circumstances warrant, such as glitches that affect multiple participants. Some people will be happy about this; others won’t. Again, the commissioner will try to do what’s fair and right.
• Recognize that any player who could be selected in a reserve round (such as a minor leaguer) and who is in the auction database can be purchased during the live auction.
• The two utility slots can be filled by DH players—those with no other “position” eligibility, such as David Ortiz, and/or any other hitter for which the appropriate slot is not available (such as a sixth outfielder).
• There is only one mandatory catcher slot. The reason: There are only two types of catchers. The kind who are good hitters, get hurt, and break your heart, and the kind who are bad hitters, get hurt and break your heart. Enough said. You can draft plenty of catchers and keep them as reserves and in the utility slot, if desired.
• During the live auction, a team owner cannot attempt to draft more players for a position than slots are available on the active roster (including the utility slots). No player can be chosen for a reserve slot in this way.
• Keepers begin the auction draft in positions for which they are eligible on the active (23-player) roster, even if they are in the minors. They can be moved to the bench after the auction and reserve/bench drafts are concluded.

Reserve Draft

At the conclusion of the auction draft, benches will be filled by a straight (or snake) draft. The starting order of the draft during the first season will be chosen at random; in subsequent years the order of the first round of the reserve draft will be the inverse of the order of standings finish in the preceding year if the CBS system allows. The order of the reserve draft selections reverses after each round.

FAAB (Free-Agent Acquisition Budget)

After all the drafts are completed and all 30 roster positions filled, players can be chosen from the waiver wire through FAAB bids, starting with the completion of the draft and up until the end of the regular ML season.

Zero dollar bids are allowed if the hosting site technology permits. When an owner bids on a free agent on the wire, he can do so only for a player who is listed on the host site. When a bid is placed, the owner must identify the player to be dropped to waivers. The only exception is where a team owner has an empty roster slot by virtue of trading more players to another owner than he received in return or for some other reason dictated by the system or the commissioner.

FAAB bids are processed three nights a week beginning in 2012. The highest bid wins if more than one owner bids on the same player; ties are broken by a waiver order kept by the host site. Zero dollar bids are allowed.

Keepers

At least one week before the live draft date, as announced by the commissioner, each team owner must declare (through an email to the commissioner, who then posts the complete list online) no more than five players from his roster that will be eligible to be chosen as keepers for the coming season.

Any player not on this cutback list will not be eligible to be kept for the coming season.

Any player, whether active or on a bench, can be a keeper as long as he meets player pool requirements (such as being signed by a major league team). However, those players are placed in active slots before the spring auction. Note that no player can start the draft on the bench; if an owner tries to keep five first basemen he will not be allowed to do so because you can’t accommodate all five on the 23-player active roster.

The keeper deadline can be altered by the commissioner because of weekends and/or holidays. Ample notice of these deadlines will be provided.

The commissioner will post his list in an email to the rest of the league before the deadline so that he does not stand to gain by seeing the emails of other owners before setting his list of keepers.

Owners submitting keeper lists to the commissioner should put the words “KEEPER LIST” in the subject line of the email message; the commissioner will not look at the contents of the email until after he has distributed his keeper list. In fact, it is recommended that the actual keeper player names be included in an attachment to the email rather than in the body of the email.

The keeper/cutback lists are posted online so that all team owners know who will be available in the draft and owners can plan accordingly. Any team owner may drop any keeper up to 24 hours before the beginning of the live auction draft; however, that owner will not be able to substitute another player as a keeper after the cutback deadline. Those late drops will be communicated to all owners through league e-mail before the live draft.

Position Eligibility

A player is eligible at a position at which he played at least 20 MLB games the previous MLB or minor league season or at least five MLB games in the current season. If neither condition is met, the position most commonly played in the past will be applied until such time as he qualifies at another position. Pitchers are pitchers, regardless of their role.

Pitchers do not accrue statistics for their hitting, and hitters do not accrue statistics for their pitching.

Scoring

Scoring will be based on a standard 5x5 rotisserie system.

Statistics are accumulated for players only while they are on active rosters.

No points will be awarded to a team in any pitching category if a team’s pitchers, at year’s end, have accumulated fewer than 900 innings unless a season is shortened significantly by a strike or other unexpected factor.

There is no maximum limit on innings pitched. There will be no minimum or maximum at-bats for hitters.

If a tie-breaker is necessary at the end of a season, the team with the lead in the highest number of categories will be declared the winner.
Owners

Team owners must provide to the league an email address through which they can be reached easily by others in the league, and they must have access to the Internet.

Team owners are expected to remain active, at least during the regular season. They are expected to make reasonably frequent player moves in response to real world MLB schedules, injuries, benchings, demotions, promotions and other opportunities to remain competitive.

If a team owner is unable to manage his/her team for any substantial period of time, such as because of illness, business travel or personal reasons, he can ask a member of the Executive Committee to manage his/her team for as long as necessary.

Executive Committee members will handle those responsibilities in good faith. They will not initiate trades or accept trades that are unbalanced, or take any other actions that would cause intentional harm to the team’s chances, but they are expected to make waiver claims within reason when situations dictate, such as when a setup reliever suddenly becomes a closer or a stud prospect is called up from the minors.

Player Salaries

For a player selected in a spring draft, his salary is the amount of the winning bid at the auction.

Players selected in the reserve draft have an initial salary of $1 (even though no “money” is bid on them).

Players selected by the free-agent process (FAAB) have a salary equal to the winning FAAB bid or the previous salary—whichever is higher—if the player had been dropped from a roster.

Player salaries are unchanged by trades.

Players identified as keepers have their salary increased by $5 over their previous salary at the time they are announced as keepers by their owner. If a player is “kept” this way for more than one year, the salary increases by $5 each spring he is kept.

Salary Cap

The maximum salary of all active and bench players on a team cannot exceed $365. If an owner’s team exceeds the cap at any time, he will have 72 hours to bring it into compliance or the commissioner will, after repeated warnings, make one or more player moves on behalf of the owner to bring it into compliance.

The cap affects only the combined 32-player roster.

Trades

Trades can be made at any time except Aug 16th through Oct 31st.

In-season trades agreed to by trading team owners must be agreed to, and notice provided to all owners, by midnight Eastern Time on Aug. 15 of each year to be allowed; off-season trades must be agreed to by trading team owners by midnight on the final day of the spring keeper decision date.

Trades can be protested within 72 hours of the time they are announced by the teams. If a simple majority of owners votes to rescind the trade, the Executive Committee will decide whether to do so (two votes out of three required).

Players from any location (active or bench) can be traded for players from any location on another team’s roster; however, players received in trades must be rostered within 72 hours and rules regarding salaries will be applied immediately. A trade can be uneven, such as three players for two. However, any such trades during the season must be followed by a transaction that fills all slots as soon as possible.

Only rostered players can be traded; no cash or FAAB dollars or other consideration can be exchanged.

One exception: After the conclusion of a season, a slot in the following year’s bench/reserve draft can be included as part of a trade. In such cases the players must exchange slots in this fashion: Player A trades the second pick in the second round to Player B; player B trades the eighth pick in the fifth round to Player A.

Technology

If the online draft site and/or the year-round hosting site has technology that does not permit certain functions (for example, if the waiver wire does not list all prospects who have signed contracts), the rules will be revised to reflect those limitations. However, the Executive Committee will be expected to pursue avenues that will allow the intended rules and procedures to be followed.

If manual actions by the commissioner can override functions normally provided by the hosting site software, those will be made by the commissioner when and where feasible.

Conduct

If a team owner fails to meet generally expected standards of sportsmanship or fails to maintain active management of a team over a significant period of time, despite frequent warnings from the Executive Committee, he/she can be barred from participation in the league by a vote of two out of three Executive Committee members, even during the season. However, before such action could occur, the Executive Committee must poll all owners about their preferences.

Abandoned Teams

Should an owner resign from the league, be removed from the league or fail to maintain active participation in the league, the remaining teams will decide, by simple majority vote, whether to seek another owner for that team or to contract the league. If contraction is chosen, the Executive Committee will devise and circulate for a league vote a plan for the acquisition of the players from that team by other team owners.

League Expansion

Should a simple majority of team owners vote to expand the league; the Executive Committee will devise and circulate a plan for a league vote on how that expansion would occur.

Long-Term Imbalance

If a team finishes in the bottom three slots of the standings for two consecutive years, and if the Executive Committee determines (by at least two votes out of three) that the owner has made a good-faith effort to improve his team, that owner will be allowed to acquire one player from one of the teams that finished in the top three slots of the standings at the end of the most recent season.

This will occur in a special draft during February.

First, the low-finishing team will announce which team it wishes to draft from. That team’s owner will identify five players from his/her roster that will be available for selection. The other team will identify five players it is willing to expose to selection in exchange. The low-finishing team will make its pick, and the high-finishing team will then make its pick.

No high-performing team will be subject to this process more than once in any two-year period, and no low-performing team will be subject to this process more than once any two years.

If more than one low-performing team wants to use this process in any given February, the team with the lowest standing point finish in the previous season will have first choice. The timing of such drafts will be established so that they are convenient for all parties. No player’s salary will change as a result of this process.
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Report zeeny March 11, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
The US would still be subjects to the Queen if their founding fathers had drafted like that.
Report orioles March 11, 2012 4:17 PM GMT
'OF the Queen'

Come on, Z. I took the trouble to become fluent in Bulgarian!

People used to pay me a lot of money to draft documents. Then I retired Plain
Report zeeny March 11, 2012 4:19 PM GMT
It shows! It doesn't have any typos!
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
MEN, here is a better draft constitution ....

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Roster Limits

Status.....................Min........Max   
Active Players...........0..........18   
Reserve Players.......0..........3   
Injured Players........0..........1   
Total Players............0.........22   

Position (Active Min) (Active Max) (Roster) Total
C       0   1   4
1B    0    1    5
2B    0    1    4
3B    0    1    5
SS    0    1    4
OF    0   3   5
U    0    1    3
P    0    9    12

Scoring Settings

Scoring System    Rotisserie System.

Player Policies
Description    Setting
Player Eligibility    Players are eligible at their primary position, plus positions they've played 20 games last year or 10 games this year.
Pitcher Minimums    Pitchers must accumulate at least 1000 innings pitched and can not accumulate more than 1400 innings.
Player Pool    MLB.

Transaction Settings
Description    Setting
Lineup Policy    Standard ESPN rules
Lineup Deadline    Standard ESPN rules
Add/Drop Policy    Standard ESPN rules (possible maximum, possible minimum keep time)
Trade Policy    Owners may do trades.
Trade Deadline    No trades can be made after the trade deadline of 11:59 pm et 8/15/12.
Offseason Trades    Owners may make trades during the offseason.

The following is the constitution for BF Auction Keeper League. It will be updated only to clarify existing rules and when rules changes are approved by a majority vote of team owners.

Prizes are intended to enhance interest in participating fully throughout the Major League Baseball season and, to the extent possible, the offseason. The fun of winning, of improving, or just competing should be the primary purpose. However, prizes will be allocated with the intention of rewarding the best teams/owners and providing incentive for struggling teams to continue to remain active. Accordingly, each year, the owner of the team that increases its standings point total the most between the All Star Break and the end of the season (without finishing in the top three positions in the standings) will be eligible for a prize.

Governance

The league’s initial commissioner is the founder, Uncle O. The other two initial members of the Executive committee are Zeeny, Jeter, Ron and Fenway. In the absence of the commissioner, any of the other Executive Committee members, but preferably two in agreement, can act in his stead.

One member of this committee will act as treasurer.

The commissioner or another Executive Committee member can be replaced by a simple majority vote of active team owners. Similarly, any rule can be changed by a simple majority vote of active team owners. This is meant to be a democracy (pfft) , and a source of fun.

Player Pool

Espn’s player pool

Fees and Prizes

£35

The first place winner will win 50% of the prize fund, the second 25%, and the third 15%, with the remaining 10% to the most improved manager.

Rosters

Active roster slots will include one catcher, one first baseman, one second baseman, one shortstop, one third baseman, three outfielders, one utility players (any hitters) and nine pitchers, or 18 total active players, plus a bench of three players.

Rosters must be set as per ESPN rules

Live Online Draft

$260 per team, keeper values are their original auction value + $5 . Draft time will try to accommodate all players


Waivers.
Waivers are operated using the standard ESPN system, anyone picked up off waivers will be allocated a $3 value or their original draft price, whichever is higher.

Keepers

Keepers must be selected by the 11:59pm on the 1st Sunday in March


Team owners are expected to remain active, at least during the regular season. They are expected to make reasonably frequent player moves in response to real world MLB schedules, injuries, benchings, demotions, promotions and other opportunities to remain competitive.

If a team owner is unable to manage his/her team for any substantial period of time, such as because of illness, business travel or personal reasons, he can ask a member of the Executive Committee to manage his/her team for as long as necessary.

Executive Committee members will handle those responsibilities in good faith. They will not initiate trades or accept trades, or place waiver claims


Trades

Trades can be made at any time except Aug 16th through Oct 31st.

Trades can be protested within 48 hours of the time they are announced by the teams.  If they are obviously unbalanced in the opinion of the commissioner the trade will be put to vote for 24 hours with at least 50% of the league needed to vote against the trade for it to be vetoed.

Conduct

If a team owner fails to meet generally expected standards of sportsmanship or fails to maintain active management of a team over a significant period of time,  he will be thrown out the league  at the end of the season

Abandoned Teams
Should an owner resign from the league, be removed from the league or fail to maintain active participation in the league,  a new owner will be sought out, if no one can be found the roster will be added to the player pool

League Expansion

Should a simple majority of team owners vote to expand the league; current teams will be able to protect 4 players and the new team will be able to select 5 keepers from the remaining pool of players with a maximum of 1 player per current team

Long-Term Imbalance

If your team finishes in the bottom three slots of the standings for two consecutive years, i would consider drafting a better next year if i was you

Hell Freezes Over
In the event of hell freezing over @internet_rich may be permitted to participate in the league.
Report zeeny March 11, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
My cliff notes.

Roster size is best @ 23(+ 2DL) if 15 or more and 25 + 2DL if 14 or less.(assuming we keep 5). 32 roster size is "OLOL look how deep our league us!" instead of serving an actual purpose(unless we run minor rosters, which doesn't seem to be the case)

Any line up except standard MLB(9) hitting line up is what I'd call so far from real baseball that it doesn't allow my weak mind to fantasize enough to even call it fantasy baseball. So, as far as I'm concerned, if we have additional MI/CI spots and 5 OF, I'm out. I know some people enjoy it and if this is something managers want to try, fair enough, I'll just see you all in the veterans' league!
I've done leagues with RF/CF/LF and that's actually a bit of fun while staying faithful to the game,

Pitching limit above 1400 is imo, unnecessary, but whatever. 5000IP limit with big roster size is an invitation to win W's & K's by default.

The rule where a bottom team gets a player from a top team blows my mind. If the goal is to boost bottom teams, let them have additional funds in draft or be allowed to keep a player at no cost for 1 year, or have a free pick on FA etc. Why would that involve punishing a top team breaks the logic barrier for me. Especially as I doubt any one team could dominate so it will most likely be several close at the top and one of them will get shafted.

Everything else seems secondary, at least to me
Report orioles March 11, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
OK, first off, this is a discussion thread about how best to put together the constitution and no-one is sulking their way out of the league - so let's try to avoid throwing in an ultimatum in a reply.

The rosters do look big to me too and the provisions for 'rescuing' poorly performing teams are a bit odd, so these appear to be the initial points of weakness - what we have to think about is the best solution.
Report zeeny March 11, 2012 5:27 PM GMT
Ok.
Report orioles March 11, 2012 5:37 PM GMT
Does your roster size allow for the 'prospecting' element, Z?

I agree about the 5000IP limit; I'd rather throttle the upper limit.

We'll ditch the rescue clause altogether.
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
O is clearly well versed in the art of negociation Mischief
Report orioles March 11, 2012 6:15 PM GMT
Again, my negotiating skills were once paid for with sacks of gold - you would do well to take notes, young fella-me-lad Silly
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
i've always prefered the 'if i dont get my way i'm not playing' method, although the things i've had to negociate  have never had such blindingly obvious concessions as this constitution has Grin
Report BostSox Law March 11, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
Z

...i think the 32 is meant to incorporate any injured players and minor league players although these numbers can be played around with of course ...if the active roster is greatly reduced and therefore the rosters themselves, we will probably be filling our rosters with major leaguers rather than minor leagures ...i think part of the fun is to pick up a couple of prospects and keep them to see if they turn out to be potential nuggest or not

i'm happy to start with less players and increase after a year if we feel it might be more competitive ...or start with more and reduce
Report Jeter March 11, 2012 6:55 PM GMT
guys I see a lot of people want to include a minor league element. I agree this would be a fun addition to the game, however I just dont think it can work if we are only keeping 5 players as all minor league players are far too fringy to ever get kept.
My proposed solution is an additional keeper list per team of 2 non mlb rostered prospects (we could make it 1 or 3 too, whatever) . Theres a couple of ways this could be done to define who and who isnt eligible -

1 - eligible only if they have never played in mlb in prior seasons - this would be easy to track but makes keeping them close to pointless as a "full mlb keeper" if they only played a few games and are no longer eligible for the next years minor keeper list.
2 - make a certain % of games played to determine who is and isnt eligible. So if a player only plays 15% (maybe as a september call up) of games the previous year (and only as their 1st year in the league) theyd still be eligible as a minor league keeper. I only say 15% as an example and we`d have to agree on the actual value, including working something out for pitchers.
Report Jeter March 11, 2012 7:02 PM GMT
I like Nilsson Schmilsson proposition of league set up too btw. Its pretty much what we`ve been doing all along in the other leagues.
Report BostSox Law March 11, 2012 7:08 PM GMT
that looks like a good point ...your right ...perhaps keep a max of 5 players plus 2 free keepers on top of that....keeper eligibility based on a max of 150 AB or 50 IP in majors?

this would satisfy those who want to pick up the 17 yr old venezuelan in the coconut league and satisfy those who want an auction each year with plenty of studs likely to be available ...prob just need to decide on roster size and limits
Report Fenway March 11, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
I love baseball for many reasons. However I am afraid I am not conversant with the Appalachian Rookie League or the SLG of Jovan Pickett of the Idaho Falls Chukars. I am a simple soul, and having read the proposed rules I am not sure that the Keeper League is for me.
Report Jeter March 11, 2012 8:29 PM GMT
altho its a good idea if we want minor league players, I think a lot of people (not saying me) dont want to go as in depth as to know about minor leagues for our fantasy games.

I think its important that we should vote on some of the key issues about league set up OR just say lets keep everything the way it always has been and just add 5 keepers.
Im not saying this constitution thats been written up is bad, but its not really the way I want to play and talking to a few others they feel the same way.

We have quite a long time before we need to do a draft, so I think its important that every one gets a say in what they want for this league and we`ll try to come to best consensus possible.

key issues as I see them

- do we want keepers
- if so how many
- do we want minor leaguers
- if so how many
- roster size - 23 + 2 DL / other suggestions
- what kind of roster construction do we want - same as always (c,1b,2b,3b,ss,of,of,of,util + 9 pitchers) / new idea / as suggested in constitution
- the need for a salary cap
- pitching limits -  1000 min, 1400 max / other suggestions
- prize set up - 1st 50% 2nd 30% 3rd 20% / other suggestions
- waivers - last to use waiver claim has 1st pick / FAAB
- ESPN (free) or CBS $160 league cost
- Trades during offseason ?
- long term inbalance rule ?

I think these are the main issues. If people could also make a note if theyre flexible on an issue they should note that too.
Report zeeny March 11, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
Obama 2012!
I'm super flexible. MN knows.
Report Jeter March 11, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
- do we want keepers - YES (flexible)
- if so how many - 5
- do we want minor leaguers YES (flexible)
- if so how many - 2
- roster size - 23 + 2 DL / other suggestions - 23 + 2 DL (flex)
- what kind of roster construction do we want - same as always (c,1b,2b,3b,ss,of,of,of,util + 9 pitchers) / new idea / as suggested in constitution - same as always (flex)
- the need for a salary cap - NO
- pitching limits -  1000 min, 1400 max / other suggestions - 1000, 1400 (flex)
- prize set up - 1st 50% 2nd 30% 3rd 20% / other suggestions - 50/30/20 (flex)
- waivers - last to use waiver claim has 1st pick / FAAB - FAAB (flex)
- ESPN (free) or CBS $160 league cost - ESPN
- Trades during offseason ? - YES
- long term inbalance rule ? - NO
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
- do we want keepers  DON'T CARE
- if so how many  DON'T CARE
- do we want minor leaguers NOT REALLY
- if so how many NONE
- roster size - 23 + 2 DL / other suggestions YES
- what kind of roster construction do we want - same as always (c,1b,2b,3b,ss,of,of,of,util + 9 pitchers) /    LF RF CF
- the need for a salary cap LOST ME
- pitching limits -  1000 min, 1400 max /   YES
- prize set up - 1st 50% 2nd 30% 3rd 20% /   PRIZE FOR IMPROVED TEAM
- waivers - last to use waiver claim has 1st pick   BUT NOT THAT FUSSED
- ESPN (free) or CBS $160 league cost  [b]ESPN ESPN ESPN ESPN[/b] I DON'T WANT TO PAY PART OF MY ENTRY FEE TO PLAY A FANTASY GAME
- Trades during offseason  WHATEVER
- long term inbalance rule NO
Report Jeter March 11, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
the salary cap question is this -


Salary Cap

The maximum salary of all active and bench players on a team cannot exceed $365. If an owner’s team exceeds the cap at any time, he will have 72 hours to bring it into compliance or the commissioner will, after repeated warnings, make one or more player moves on behalf of the owner to bring it into compliance.
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 8:39 PM GMT
well then NO, that stupidly over complicated, rule 1 is that it's supposed to be FUN FUN FUN, not a part time job
Report orioles March 11, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
Bloody hell, J! Have they let you have coffee or extra sweeties?

I've never seen you so pumped up!

I think you do touch on some important elements and ask the right questions.

Fen also makes a good point that we need to strike a balance between the baseball professor and the willing fantasy player, so that both can enjoy it and be competitive. I think this point mitigates against off-season trading and minor leaguers.

I would add two things:

1. Although the keeper league looks a little involved, I think if you give it a chance, you'll find it's the most interesting and rewarding format and once you've got the hang of it, no more of a commitment than the Vets' league.

2. Ultimately, someone is going to have to decide. Canvassing opinion is a great idea, but it's the type of process that can be endless.

With this last point in mind, I hope everyone will allow me to put up a final draft on Saturday. You all know how useless I am at fantasy baseball, so I'm hardly going to opt for a complex set of rules, and I hope you all trust me to be as accommodating as possible, to make the league as enjoyable and competitive as I can.

I'm not suggesting this to put one over on anyone, or play the big man, it's just we'll need to move on the league and I'm much, much smarter than anyone else Silly
Report orioles March 11, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
The cap can make it much more interesting, Ron.

That’s where finding sleeper picks come in, and finding the best bang for your buck. It’s a little like the whole “Moneyball” concept – you have to find the best possible value for each position, on a budget. If you see a player with a big name and big dollar sign, and you can find another player with less of a name who can do close to the same production, you can get a good deal, and have more money to spend on another position. (c&p)
Report BostSox Law March 11, 2012 9:35 PM GMT
- do we want keepers - YES (flexible)
- if so how many - 5
- do we want minor leaguers YES (flexible)
- if so how many - 2
- roster size - 23 + 2 DL / other suggestions - 27 incorporating unlimited DL (flex)
- what kind of roster construction do we want - same as always (c,1b,2b,3b,ss,of,of,of,util + 9 pitchers) / new idea / as suggested in constitution - same as usual but with 3 utility spots (min 1 IF or OF/DH),(flex)
- the need for a salary cap - NO
- pitching limits -  1000 min, 1400 max / other suggestions - 1000, no upper limit (flex)
- prize set up - 1st 50% 2nd 30% 3rd 20% / other suggestions - 50/30/20 (flex)
- waivers - last to use waiver claim has 1st pick / FAAB - FAAB (flex)
- ESPN (free) or CBS $160 league cost - CBS
- Trades during offseason ? - YES
- long term inbalance rule ? - NO
Report Jeter March 11, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
haha cheers O! just trying to help, you do the best job as commish as we could hope for :)

1 yes i agree
2 i agree that it can be endless, I was hearing a lot of negative responses which is why I figured it best to deal with these issues now than wait a few days before and then a panic. If everyone can vote on the questions ive made then we should see what we all want to do, decisions will still have to be made but it should be a lot easier.
Report BostSox Law March 11, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
Dave

sorry ...just saw your post ...i'll abide by whatever you decide

i think Jeter's idea of 2 minor league Free Keepers takes away the need for extended rosters though

still a fan of CBS ...but the vocal consensus seems to be for ESPN and if keepers are limited to 28 or so then no need for the deepest database
Report zeeny March 11, 2012 9:56 PM GMT
I WANT A COOKIE OR I WON'T PLAY.
Report orioles March 11, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
I'd like your answers to what will forever be known as 'the Jeter interrogative' though, Z.

Despite the fact I've sent a hit squad to find you and feed you a plate of sausages, I respect your opinion.
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
I'm not suggesting this to put one over on anyone, or play the big man, it's just we'll need to move on the league

why?
Report orioles March 11, 2012 10:55 PM GMT
We draft in 11 days - if we decide the constitution on Sat 17th, that leaves 5 days for people to decide they're in, pay, join and prepare their draft.

That doesn't include me refunding people who've overpaid, or drop out.

That seems a sensible timetable, but not one with a great deal of wriggle room, so we need to move on the league.
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
may i suggest a better way to avoid 'moving things on' would be to get sign up threads up before the start of ST, then having done that not to decide to rip up the leagues and start again changing draft dates multiple times to do your best to create a keeper league that i would guess no more than 3 people really want

but what do i know Blush
Report Jeter March 11, 2012 11:21 PM GMT
you know NOTHING !
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
i'd like to add that i've been drinking, and jeter says hello and zeeny says relax
Report Nilsson Schmilsson March 11, 2012 11:27 PM GMT
OH, and fen is upset he didn't get a mention
Report orioles March 11, 2012 11:42 PM GMT
Just remember, Ron, it's never a good idea to drink on an empty head, even in the BOC.

Although 5 or 6 of us kick these things around publicly on here, other regulars prefer to get in touch privately and have expressed an interest in a keeper league.

Remember though, if it's a complete washout, we can always ditch it and continue with a Vets and an Auction league next year, so it's a shot to nothing that may just give us a different league players enjoy.
Report Wilkesy March 12, 2012 6:25 AM GMT
- do we want keepers - YES (flexible)
- if so how many - 5
- do we want minor leaguers NOT REALLY
- if so how many - 
- roster size - 23 + 2 DL / other suggestions -
- what kind of roster construction do we want - same as always (c,1b,2b,3b,ss,of,of,of,util + 9 pitchers)
- the need for a salary cap - NO
- pitching limits -  1000 min, 1400 max upper limit
- prize set up - 1st 50% 2nd 30% 3rd 20% / other suggestions - 50/30/20 (flex)
- waivers - last to use waiver claim has 1st pick / FAAB -Waivers,waivers waivers
- ESPN (free) or CBS $160 league cost - ESPN
- Trades during offseason ? - YES
- long term inbalance rule ? - NO. This just means Z gets to nick one of my players every few years.

A good discussion going on last night. Ill go with whatevers decided. I like the concept of a keeper league but if you decide not to go with it, im cool with just the auction. Im not going to play in 3 leagues tho!

Would rather stick with the usual line-ups. Have played in a MI/CI, 2 C's etc league before and its too deep. I didnt enjoy it at all.

If we have to pick some minor leaguers then so be it but just the simple idea of 5 keepers at last years price seems basic enough to be fun to me!

Like O says, if we hate it, its just another auction league and we can carry on as normal next year.

Oh and Z is VERY flexible xx
Report Buckio3 March 12, 2012 7:25 AM GMT
- do we want keepers - YES
- if so how many - 5
- do we want minor leaguers (Is this somethig that could be added year 2 if wanted?)
- if so how many - 2 
- roster size - No DL and 4 or 5 reserve spots
- what kind of roster construction do we want - How many members in the league? (If 12 or under MI/CI and 5 CI. If more our standard)
- the need for a salary cap - NO
- pitching limits -  None let people punt categories if wanted
- prize set up - 1st 60% 2nd 25% 3rd 10% 4th 5% (Nothing for most improved manager, It's a keeper league so that should be the thing "keeping" you interested all season.
- waivers - last to use waiver claim has 1st pick / FAAB -FAAB (As it is a keeper league everyone should have a fair shout at players)
- ESPN (free) or CBS $160 league cost - ESPN
- Trades during offseason ? - YES
- long term inbalance rule ? - NO.

What premium are keepers going to be kept at 15% rounded up or $5?

Is there a limit to how long you can keep a player 3 or 5 years?
Report Buckio3 March 12, 2012 7:36 AM GMT
And if you do want an imbalance rule just remove the tax on keeping players for 1 year!
Report Reg Blood March 12, 2012 10:19 AM GMT
So, what leagues am I in, how much do you want, and when do we draft?

I'm a simple soul and can't keep up with all the changes (that and can't be bothered to read half of what is posted)

So if some good soul can put me right then I will be eternally grateful.

Yours in baseball

Reg
Report orioles March 12, 2012 10:58 AM GMT
Sorry, Reg, this has all become a bit of a shambles and it's largely my fault.

You're in two leagues:

Veterans (£25) - Drafting Wed March 21st 2:30 PM ET
Auction Keeper (£25) - Drafting Thurs March 22nd 2:30 PM ET
Report Fenway March 12, 2012 10:58 AM GMT
Reg I entirely agree. O, I will send my money tonight if you let me know how much it will cost.
Report orioles March 12, 2012 11:00 AM GMT
As above, Fen. Apologies for the mess!
Report Fenway March 12, 2012 11:08 AM GMT
O, I think it is down to a combination of factors, few of which are your responsibility. If the traditional auction had filled up then most of them would have been avoided.

I shall just play the keeper as I do every year in the auction, using players I have heard of as I don't have time to investigate the minor league affiliates. I might look at the rules at season end to see what the keeper element entails.
Report zeeny March 12, 2012 11:10 AM GMT
I'm still not playing unless I get that cookie. I'm getting kind of hungry so I may settle for half a cookie or something, but I'm not going any lower than that.
Report Reg Blood March 12, 2012 11:16 AM GMT
No need to apologise O

Just remember when I offer you a lop-sided trade. That should sort it.

Money on its way shortly.
Report orioles March 12, 2012 11:22 AM GMT
Z, cookie on its way. Veggie and 'herbal'.

Fen, that works in Keeper leagues anyway. As it is, I don't think we're going with minor leaguers and massive rosters.

Reg, ALL trades I make seem to be lop-sided ... and never in my favour Happy
Report Jeter March 12, 2012 11:51 AM GMT
I hope the people who dont seem to care what the rules are will genuinely accept whatever is proposed on their behalf. It takes less than 2 mins to answer the questionnaire. :)

Buckio - good question, personally I think adding $5 seems fair and I`d like to see no limit on how long you keep a player, could make very interesting trading if this was the rule, but thats just my opinion.
Report Fenway March 12, 2012 12:07 PM GMT
- do we want keepers - no but OK if that is the will of the people
- if so how many  - n/a
- do we want minor leaguers - no but OK if that is the will of the people
- if so how many - n/a
- roster size - 23 + 2 DL / other suggestions - what we normally have
- what kind of roster construction do we want - same as always (c,1b,2b,3b,ss,of,of,of,util + 9 pitchers) / new idea / as suggested in constitution - the need for a salary cap - same as always
- pitching limits -  1000 min, 1400 max / other suggestions - 1000min, 140max
- prize set up - 1st 50% 2nd 30% 3rd 20% / other suggestions - seems OK, perhaps an improver prize
- waivers - last to use waiver claim has 1st pick / FAAB - last to use has first pick
- ESPN (free) or CBS $160 league cost - ESPN free
- Trades during offseason ? - if you like, preferably no one offers me a trade though
- long term inbalance rule ? - don't know what this means, sounds like a benefits system for those of us who are hapless so YES
Report Reg Blood March 12, 2012 5:10 PM GMT
- do we want keepers YES
- if so how many OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS
- do we want minor leaguers NO
- if so how many X
- roster size - 23 + 2 DL / other suggestions AS NORMAL PLEASE WITH 1 EXTRA DL SPOT
- what kind of roster construction do we want - same as always (c,1b,2b,3b,ss,of,of,of,util + 9 pitchers) / new idea / as suggested in constitution I WILL GO WITH THE MAJORITY DECISION
- the need for a salary cap ?
- pitching limits -  1000 min, 1400 max / other suggestions 1450 MAX(3 years on the trot I've hit the limit with 3 games to go, so this is purely a selfish personal thing)
- prize set up - 1st 50% 2nd 30% 3rd 20% / other suggestions WHATEVER IS DECIDED BY THE COMMISH
- waivers - last to use waiver claim has 1st pick / FAAB FAAB
- ESPN (free) or CBS $160 league cost FREE
- Trades during offseason ? YES
- long term inbalance rule ? DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS
Report BostSox Law March 12, 2012 8:09 PM GMT

Mar 12, 2012 -- 6:51AM, Jeter wrote:


I hope the people who dont seem to care what the rules are will genuinely accept whatever is proposed on their behalf. It takes less than 2 mins to answer the questionnaire. :)Buckio - good question, personally I think adding $5 seems fair and I`d like to see no limit on how long you keep a player, could make very interesting trading if this was the rule, but thats just my opinion.


I haven't played this keeper format before so trying to work through scenarios ...so the following is simply an interpretation

I don't think there needs be a limit on the number of years a player is kept if $5 is added each year ...if Votto goes for $33 then next year $38, $43 and so on ...there becomes a point when he becomes untradeable and unrosterable... at which point they end up back in the pool. Realistically if you manage to pick up a free agent for say $1 in season 1 ...if he turns out to be stud you will probably just about be rostering him in Y5 or Y6 at $21 or $26 therefore there will likely be a regular turnover of players with us lot always on the look out for bargains at Auction or off the waiver wire.

Remember if FAAB used that player will have the FAAB value (or that year's auction salary if greater) as its salary ...if not then value (as things stand) will be $0. If we go down the latter route I believe the pick up value should also be the that year's auction salary if the player was obtained at auction. For example if you have 3 high value players on the DL ...say all bought for $20+ but out for the year ...and you throw one back into the the FA pool (in order to release a bench spot if you only have 2 DL spots) it would be unfair if someone could pick that player up for $0 and stash for next year when if kept the price would be $5 

I think it's safe to say the consensus is for ESPN - as far as I can see that format does not handle salary so we will need to keep a record of the salaries paid at Auction - there is usually a draft histroy - I don't know if that can be exported to Excel ...if not we will likely have to keep a record of this manually ...prob need to be aware of this fairly early on in case the data is not stored on the league pages.

Report zeeny March 12, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
>>For example if you have 3 high value players on the DL ...say all bought for $20+ but out for the year ...and you throw one back into the the FA pool (in order to release a bench spot if you only have 2 DL spots) it would be unfair if someone could pick that player up for $0 and stash for next year when if kept the price would be $5 

Under what definition of the word is that "unfair"?
Report Jeter March 12, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
Youre thinking about increase of players values and them becoming unrosterable eventually mirrors my own thoughts. And as you say, you could get some great bargains which makes keepers interesting -
do you keep the high prospect you got for great value OR
do you keep the "Pujols" type player at a high salary

yes I think youre right about players maintaining there auction value for that season. Which is also why im against an in season salary limit, if someone wants to pick up a bunch of injured players and theoretically having an extremely high roster value I dont think its a problem at all.
I think we HAVE to use FAAB values to determine keeper values for the reasons you said.

yeah ESPN does everything apart from automatically keeping record of salaries, but im not 100% that cant be done there too. Either way paying $160 for purely this service alone isnt worth it when it can be done manually in about 30 minutes.
Report BostSox Law March 12, 2012 8:44 PM GMT
It's a way of obtaining a valuable long term keeper for next to nothing and benefits the person at the front of the waiver queue ...

maybe that's not unfair and in a 1 year league is a valid strategy done it myself

...however picking up a player for $0 who has already been bought at auction for a $value seems more like "getting one over the rest of the league" to me ...

not bothered either way ...I suspect when and if it it happens it will happen once only
Report zeeny March 12, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
Right, because, we all love dropping our long term keepers.
Report Jeter March 12, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
yeah, we prob dont need to factor it in as a rule necessarily, if you do lose all 5 intended keepers to injury you have 2 dl and plenty of bench spots if you dont want to throw them out.
Its probably not a huge problem that we should be worried about too much.
Report zeeny March 12, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
It's an entirely hypothetical problem that runs a chance lower of an asteroid hitting in the next 20 minutes.
Report Jeter March 12, 2012 8:51 PM GMT
well, it is 2012.....
Report BostSox Law March 12, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
Right, because, we all love dropping our long term keepers.

Z, you asked why I thought it was unfair ...we have 2 differing views that's all ...sorry if this seems to annoy you - it's not designed to do so ...I suspect you're in the majority anyway so no worries on my part

yeah, we prob dont need to factor it in as a rule necessarily, if you do lose all 5 intended keepers to injury you have 2 dl and plenty of bench spots if you dont want to throw them out.

I tend to agree ...most will retain their DL'd players if they realise what could happen.

As much as I hate FAAB I think that is the best way forward ...I would like to see FAAB used daily though ...I lost track last year as to when I could and couldn't ...playing around with the settings last night you can do so daily ...you can also have the transaction take place at 11AM eastern meaning you can get your pick up in before start of play when there are early kick offs.

do you keep the high prospect you got for great value OR
do you keep the "Pujols" type player at a high salary


Agreed ...retaining your 5 $30 players plus the add on of $5 apiece leaves you with $85 for the auction ...be interesting at the end of season 1 what strategy people adopt
Report Jeter March 12, 2012 9:33 PM GMT
hey BostSox Law, check your inbox ;)
Report BostSox Law March 12, 2012 10:00 PM GMT
Jeter ...reply sent
Report Buckio3 March 13, 2012 1:58 AM GMT
If you lose all 5 players you intend to keep to injury chances are someone will have DL spots and will be willing to take the injured player in a trade so they can keep them the next year so the chances of keepers ever being flat out dropped is remote!
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