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pa lapsy
28 Mar 17 21:31
Date Joined: 06 Apr 09
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I got asked to do a survey about basically my arcade/slot machine habits yesterday by email,i filled it in as i thought it gave me a chance to voice my disapproval(which i did) as to how an "exchange" has degenerated so far into now trying to attempt to fleece its customers of many years by in no other word except "luring" them into these.
Filled out survey anyway and after i gave them my time and trouble,i was directed from my email page directly on to their arcade page,nice toys indeed.low out.
got asked for another survey this evening,i gave up after question one,you could see where it was going and no doubt collecting personal data on your betting habits(so it said,but what a wang).
That carried the so called reward of 15 people getting paltry amounts in a "Draw",

Do not give them your details,it is none of their business,only used against people to absolutely fleece as much as possible from you,no morals whatsoever.
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Report workrider March 28, 2017 9:43 PM BST
Thank God I've never been attracted to them,got  offered a few free spins a while back,never took up the offer.Vile things,and you have no chance of winning .
Report insideinfo March 28, 2017 10:57 PM BST
would expect nothing less from paddy power.its a shame what betfair has turned into.ive voted with my feet and they no longer get any of my business.
Report peckerdunne March 29, 2017 10:24 AM BST
No offence, but surprised you did not see that coming........

I know you were well meaning.

They are scum...Bookies are scum....

Commission kills

Losers and dregs only
Report pa lapsy March 29, 2017 11:21 AM BST
Yes Inside,similar myself,though what suits me.

Peckerdunne,it is the sheer relentlessness of it(promotion of slot machines),they rarely promote the exchange,they did have a "cash race" not so long ago,that involved your turnover increasinging so dramitically that it was unobtainable for most.
There is currently a "grand national race" that involves playing arcade,casino etc daily, to be entered into some draw,heavens above,surely people aren't that stupid.

The current advertising campaign centres around "cash out", well the hypocrisy of it,"cash out" is only available if it can be "arbed". The arb is the exchange user. Heavens forbid punters arbing,an excuse by the books not to lay bets,the are the biggest users,an advertising campaign based on customers inertia and cluelessness,scummy indeed.
Report spurs to buy big March 29, 2017 12:35 PM BST
i would nt totally  diss the games ..i find if u specialise in a few games u wont do much harm ..i strictly stick to games with leprechaun themes/connection eg  Leprechauns Fortune ,lucky leprechaun ,leprechauns leap etc  Its a small portion of the 250 games available + I definitely feel us Irish have an edge here
Report pa lapsy March 29, 2017 12:54 PM BST
Sorry to break it Spurs,that whole thing about leprechauns having a crock of gold is just a myth,it is only the yanks that haven't clicked,i'm surprised as we have "Tayto Park" why not Leprechaun Land"? Could be a little island off West Cork or somewhere,a pub,tractor,artifically induced rainbow and a Scarlett O' Hara lookalike(or two) and you are half way there.

Seriuosly,would i be right in saying a max spin would be the bones of a ton? Would 15 spins in a minute be possible?
Report spurs to buy big March 29, 2017 1:43 PM BST
i suppose those figures could happen ...without divulging my strategy ..i have strict limits and have never dropped more than a monkey in 15 minute "sessions
Report macrocky March 29, 2017 1:44 PM BST
Pa I think there is leprechaun land in carlingford co.down honestly. I had hoped to meet one as I planned to do a tenner Yankee when I visited there
Report macrocky March 29, 2017 2:00 PM BST
I'm in the wrong game . I work hard 38+hours a week but we have refugees losing 9 grand in a casino and coming back night after with more loot and now I see a guy betting a monkey in 15 minutes on slots.
I think I should join the buses on strike
Report RoyalAcademy March 29, 2017 2:06 PM BST
heavens above (Thank you Ozy!),surely people aren't that stupid

this site bans people for lively debate probably catalysed by some other forum member.

on the other hand, it will allow posters to post whatever vitriol they like about their own business model (PP.BF) and it remains on line for all and sundry to read. It's remarkably stupid.

spurs, my jaw dropped when I read your 13.43 post, reminiscent of wildman flashing the readies at Thurles and the Curragh.
Report pa lapsy March 29, 2017 2:10 PM BST
Macrocky there used to be a poster(nice fella) on here "ilikewavingatbuses,imagine the feckin state he is in.

I don't think that Carlingford place is a real "leprechaun land", the local publican claimed he bumped into one of the only 236 leprechauns left in Ireland,he got the leprechauns suit and put it in the pub.
That was in the 80's,shure there was moving statues and everything.

Spurs,i don't mean to be as cynical as i sound but can't see a strategy really except press spin and then deposit.
Report pa lapsy March 29, 2017 2:12 PM BST
@ Royal Academy, yes,but am i being unfair or simply telling it as i see it.
Report peckerdunne March 29, 2017 2:14 PM BST
He most probably has spotted a pattern in the ever changing random patterns...Grin
Report RoyalAcademy March 29, 2017 2:36 PM BST
pa, my point is, who would allow someone post such negative comments on their own website?

My own view is that all websites should have some degree of moderation
Report pa lapsy March 29, 2017 2:48 PM BST
I tend to agree RA,however it is a gambling(and leprechaun) forum also, they are gambling issues,i am aghast at the relentless pushing of the "arcade" side,nearly everyone joined purely for the exchange,entitled to run their business model whatever way they like and you can like it,lump it,ignore it or whatever but can you not criticise it?
Report workrider March 29, 2017 3:00 PM BST
pa lapsy    29 Mar 17 12:54 
Sorry to break it Spurs,that whole thing about leprechauns having a crock of gold is just a myth,
Report RoyalAcademy March 29, 2017 3:01 PM BST
I find truly "fixed odds" betting and arcades so stacked against the punter that I wouldn't dream of staking my hard-earned.

I do agree with your point - it just wouldn't cross my radar. I mean, really???  "the leprechaun forum"????????? I never ceased to be amazed
Report peckerdunne March 29, 2017 4:10 PM BST
I don't remember seeing any slots on Craggy Island.
Report insideinfo March 29, 2017 9:08 PM BST
i was never going to be an arcade player but what really sickened me and caused me to stop using betfair was when they started offering fixed odds betting on racing.for years i had provided liquidity on the exchange (usually as a layer,and on irish markets which badly needed it) i had paid thousands in commission and also enabled betfair to charge thousands more on my losing lays.i decided to place a few bets on the fixed odds and was soon limited to practically nothing! this clearly wasnt going to be a two-way street...sort of reminded me of those oncourse books who are always hedging with you but as soon as you want something back with them they chase you.i stopped using betfair completely and im unlikey ever to use them again unless theres a radical shift in their mo.highly unlikey now that they have became part of the scummy power empire.
Report pa lapsy April 11, 2017 9:03 PM BST
Terrific one this week,

"The Easter bunny is giving away 20k"

For dat dere you are required to wager £10 into a slot and den u get a ticket into dis draw.

Roll up, roll up, dere lads ExcitedExcitedLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report peckerdunne April 11, 2017 9:28 PM BST
banned by the bunny police..........Laugh
Report pa lapsy April 11, 2017 9:41 PM BST
I turned the computer sideways
I turned the computer upside down.
I thought i was missing something,isn't the Easter Bunny some rabbit for one rabbit?LaughLaughLaugh.

Ps i think PPs 5/2 on Burn The boaTs(Dundalk) is a little overpriced,Elusive In Paris beat him in Feb alright but BTB was value for more last time when they met,hoping Elusive force harries Hit The Music,the other two ran very average last time.

PPS i will keep the forum up to date with offers such as the "generous" Easter bunny.
Report pa lapsy April 19, 2017 3:57 PM BST
This is getting a bit "Slicksteresque" but using the old cliche, what harm.

Following hot on the heels of the Easter Bunny and the "Eggstravaganza", we have another slot machine based "promotion",other than the usually unobtainable "cash race" where your turnover would have to exceed the GDP of many lesser developed countries.

You have to deposit £30,you get a £50 bonus,how bad says you,but whilst, you have to wager that 20 times,yes 20 times,ya might be lucky but in all likelyhood in my opinion i would say you would be lucky to wager it a few times and your £30 that you have deposited would be gone as well.

That's not all,20 x 20p free spins come with this offer, the way this is done is 5 spins per day,you would have to visit the arcade 4 days in a row! maybe they want to give you some bang for your buck?

Anyway lads there ye are,don't feckin crash the site in the rush.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan April 19, 2017 6:16 PM BST
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Report workrider April 19, 2017 7:53 PM BST
"Slicksteresque, You never lost it Pa.....Laugh Brilliant.
Report pa lapsy April 26, 2017 11:34 AM BST
The next instalment on their "rope a dope" campaign involves "wagering" £2500 into one of their "super spinners",isn't that an awful lot of bobs?,no fannying about there,go for the jugular.(they do lesser "targets" for lesser "rewards" alright).
£30 is the bonus and 50 £2 "free" spins is the "reward".  Pure conjecture but a plausible way it could go imo is with wagering your £2500 you would have £2000ish left, ya might be haunted on the free spins but what a costly way to get a bonus of just over 1%.
Surely better to put the typical £3.41 on Fayonagh with their "sportsbook" imo rather than putting thousands into "super haha spinners).
Report pa lapsy May 4, 2017 9:20 AM BST
I woke up this morning and thought all my birthdays and Christmas's had come together!

Giving away £20 thousand was the screaming headline banner, grand job and sound out with 1st communion money to be giving out,a generous touch,maybe their profitable run brought out this generousity.

Scrolling through though i realise alas all was not as it seemed.

The lowdown;
Play £10 on a "premier slot" and get a ticket into the "draw".

After me cup of coffee,the head was spinning,what the feck are the non "premier" slots? are they like the ones where you have to pull the handle?
A "draw",that was the killer,you only get a "ticket",nothing whatsoever except the ticket,my record is shocking since i bought a ticket in Elly Ryans shop in Sheares St for a big box of chocolates one Christmas when i was about 6,i forsaked one of yesterdays cakes an all for that ticket, probably due to the state of me then i actually managed to win it,i am sure that was ****.

Anyway off point, the rope a dope is relentless, instead of throwing tenners in to beat the band in the search of tickets, maybe the correct play is the 3/1(from 7/2) on Rashaan this evening? As it is "The Sportsbook"  ya can't lose a lot anyway.
Have a good day and keep away from the slot yokes.
Report pa lapsy May 17, 2017 1:47 PM BST
Following the removal of the last post,i better tone it down.

A Premier offer this time,play premier slots and guess whether there will be over/under 29.5 goals in the premiership this week.

The lowdown;
A minimum of £50 must be wagered on a premier slot,you are then asked whether you think there will be over or under 29.5 goals in the premiership this weekend,the reward is either £2 or £4 in free spins pending if you choose correctly for the higher.
(Please check terms and conditions yourself)

While ex Andrew Balding inmate Vanishing Point(7.00 Clonmel) will probably be short he looks the proverbial "good thing" tomorrow evening,i wouldn't want a deluge as that would possibly suit main rival Conna Cross,even still Vanishing Point had two very solid and quite eyecatching runs for Elliott so far,the rest look v. average.
Report pa lapsy May 20, 2017 9:47 AM BST
This offer comes in the form of a "virtual scratchcard" ,

"Free scratchcard for all" is the headline,i don't know what i'm after doing,i am told i can't have one,ha, anyway Ruby lends his name to this,it seems as if the free scratchcard is subject to 3xwagering requirement but check t&c's yourself.

If you have like me not got a freescratch card for all, maybe Clongowes 4.45(5/4) will make up for the disappointment,hopefully Spainish Steps is as slow as the original,Lyon's Spiral Galaxy looks the danger,he plugged on well enough in a Dundalk maiden,his proximity to Roman Wells reads well enough. Clongowes however looks to have been unlucky enough to be bumping into one in very decent  maidens,the 2f drop looks the right move. As a footnote Twin Star is probably worth keeping an eye on in this,flashy chesnut he was only a length off Welds Muzbid in Mallow,no surprise to see him shorten in this and certainly looks as if there are races in him.
Report pa lapsy June 3, 2017 1:00 PM BST
A genuine one from PP this time,5 free spins @ 20c each, i returned 9c for my euro.
Hopefully they are as generous in their opening show for Laburnum Park tomorrow.
Report Kelly June 4, 2017 10:22 AM BST
Some lift that pa . Better than nothing though .

My question is , why are slots etc legal when FOBT's are not . Have the legal eagles managed to muddy the waters to make them appear different ?

All "numbers" games are no go , there is no skill involved unless you have a device which allows you to interfere with the machine workings ( apparently there are guys who make a living out of hookey devices which interfere with the machine logic ) . In and out of the shops like a thief in the night , disguises etc .

One guy I knew who was hooked on playing the spinning machines eventually bought his own , second hand , and left it open in his house .  Saved him money in the long term I reckon.
Report pa lapsy August 8, 2017 9:05 PM BST
The "rope a dope" campaign continues unabated,on the face of it probably not a bad offer,ie put a tenner into "premier slots" and get a fiver free bet on football.
No Einstein to know they aren't giving anything away,just hook another sucker.
On a day when PP/betfair revenues have risen 9% this year,how much is attributed to these yokes(slot machines etc)?
The exchange has a 2% comm on premiership football and like oakfurniture land with sales seem to usually have the unobtainable "cash race" on where you have to bet far more than you usually do to get a fraction of the goal.
Nothing else for the exchange i can see,i actually hoped PP wuld do something for it.wrong there. It seems to be left just to chug along.prehaps the forum is in part indicative of the exchange itself?
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2017 4:35 PM BST
Their latest offer came n the form of an email,"back by popular demand" in the header.

Basically put £10 in and that is matched, the rub is the bonus must have 15 x wagering amount,so ie £150.

How many asked for this "promotion",hundreds,thousands? they are claiming "by popular demand", a fierce claim indeed,i'd love to see the figures,surely it wouldn't be misleading advertising?
Report workrider October 3, 2017 6:17 PM BST
I NEVER take up any Casino game offers even those free spins,impossible to win on them I once heard .
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2017 10:34 PM BST
Good man WR,view it the same way though on a TOTALLY free spins which would be rare/non existent i would take it off them.

Frankie Dettori "lends" his name to a slot,you can put e1250 on a single spin on it, pure guessatimation but i would reckon 8 spins in a minute could be conservative,in 10 minutes the worse case scenario you could be down a £100,000.

My gripe is the use of "back by popular demand", who is demanding this "promotion" is it just a lazy header along the the lines of "greek style kremas" as in a Uk manufactured yoghurt concoction, who is demanding it? Can advertising for these be allowed on that specific claim,ie "popular demand".
Report pa lapsy December 7, 2017 5:20 PM GMT
Countdown to Christmas where betfair have 6 "magical" offers,

Offer no 1 behind their bauble is 10 free spins when you spend a score on one of their slots,didn't bother to look at how much the free spins are worth,giving that it is Christmas andit is a "magical" offer surely they are at least £2 a free spin?

My counter offer (for the new year as well) would be to not apply premium charge on layers,they are sparse on the ground.
Report peckerdunne December 7, 2017 9:54 PM GMT
I close my eyes
Close the door
I won't worry anymore
I've been waiting for you
Everyday and everynight

Cut the light
Let it fade
I don't wanna be afraid
I've been waiting for you

Tonight it is right
Stars shine bright
I just really wanna be with you
I celebrate pray for that day
When all my wishes will be coming true

My heart beats like a drum - like a drum
Dam dam dam dam dam dam
And my feet step the beats like a drum
Report peckerdunne December 7, 2017 9:55 PM GMT
Grin It's not PC i know.
Report pa lapsy December 8, 2017 6:04 PM GMT
I don't know the song Pecker but fair play for giving it a blast anyway,there should be more snging.
Report peckerdunne December 9, 2017 11:17 AM GMT
Yes PA singing is indeed a very healthy thing and in the real world i do on occasion 'rove out'
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