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French at it again , not for the first time in recent memory . Saw most of match , watching Sexton and the referee closely . On at least 3 occasions Sexton was tackled /hit late , ref took no action . Mind you , same ref was about 3 yards from Sexton last year in the same pairings , Sexton was flattened late and the ref did nothing . So no surprise .
Failing the inaction of referees , is it not about time that something similar to the 99 call emanated from deep in the Irish scrum . In most sports I played , villanous behaviour inevitably resulted in ( proper) retribution . Sexton needs a minder , the team only functions about 50% when he is not there , and Murray in particular always has a good game when Sexton is alongside . Sort something out Joe !
When do Ireland play Wales ?
Failing the inaction of referees , is it not about time that something similar to the 99 call emanated from deep in the Irish scrum . In most sports I played , villanous behaviour inevitably resulted in ( proper) retribution . Sexton needs a minder , the team only functions about 50% when he is not there , and Murray in particular always has a good game when Sexton is alongside . Sort something out Joe !
When do Ireland play Wales ?
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I hope the grandkids weren't watching?
Nothing to see here. One of the best refs ever was in full control, and I cannot foresee any citings connected to incidents involving Johnny. Unless I missed something, even the TMO concluded there was nothing amiss with the most memorable late-ish hit.
Johnny had a great game, remarkable how he consistently drops straight back in at that level without preperation game time.
Nothing to see here. One of the best refs ever was in full control, and I cannot foresee any citings connected to incidents involving Johnny. Unless I missed something, even the TMO concluded there was nothing amiss with the most memorable late-ish hit.
Johnny had a great game, remarkable how he consistently drops straight back in at that level without preperation game time.
The late hits are all deliberate , itcanbedone , and pre planned and premeditated , its just a question of who manages to line Sexton up . Owens was OK except for aforementioned non actions , but like the up and under debate Rugby needs to clean up the act with more sin binning . Nobody tackles Sean O'Brien or his like late , but out halves are likely to become classified as endangered species unless they get protection .
Most of the games I played there were very few 18stone plussers around , but they abound in rugby now ( and a lot of the supplements are legal apparently , as are many medications approved by the employed medics ), and I for one dont want to see the skilful players hunted out of the game .
Most of the games I played there were very few 18stone plussers around , but they abound in rugby now ( and a lot of the supplements are legal apparently , as are many medications approved by the employed medics ), and I for one dont want to see the skilful players hunted out of the game .
Time for a trip to Specsavers, Mr Soros!
You are proposing a return to the '99' days despite the fact that there are dozens cameras, TMO's and citing provisions. FFS.
I have been telling you for years that rugby players are getting leaner and more mobile. Size peaked abut a decade or even more ago. Reread this paragraph then don't regurgitate the horlicks that players are getting bigger and bigger. There are a few freak Pacific Islanders floating around who are naturally big and can carry weight. Not many. And even they tend to be better leaner...look at Billy Vuinopla ...transformed since he joined Weight Watchers.
And as regards size comparisons with 'your days'...I don't know if you missed the feckin' memo but the game turned Pro in 1997. The lads don't sit on their arses in offices for 40 hours a week and train a couple of times a week just to burn off pints....like they did in your day. Holy Jaysus.
Its hard to hit a guy like Sean o'Brien late btw when he rarely passes. And Tens have always been hit late. except if you do it now you are more likely than even to cost your own team.
Fook it, I give up...more fool me to reply to the garbage that you spout.
You are proposing a return to the '99' days despite the fact that there are dozens cameras, TMO's and citing provisions. FFS.
I have been telling you for years that rugby players are getting leaner and more mobile. Size peaked abut a decade or even more ago. Reread this paragraph then don't regurgitate the horlicks that players are getting bigger and bigger. There are a few freak Pacific Islanders floating around who are naturally big and can carry weight. Not many. And even they tend to be better leaner...look at Billy Vuinopla ...transformed since he joined Weight Watchers.
And as regards size comparisons with 'your days'...I don't know if you missed the feckin' memo but the game turned Pro in 1997. The lads don't sit on their arses in offices for 40 hours a week and train a couple of times a week just to burn off pints....like they did in your day. Holy Jaysus.
Its hard to hit a guy like Sean o'Brien late btw when he rarely passes. And Tens have always been hit late. except if you do it now you are more likely than even to cost your own team.
Fook it, I give up...more fool me to reply to the garbage that you spout.
So what weight ( average) was the French pack today , itcanbedone ?
And why so angry ?
Todays match / reviews/tmos etc only proved to me that the rugby people do not all sing from the same hymn sheet . They are supposedly very worried about concussion , head injuries etc , yet Sexton was taken out of the game for a full minute ( ref allowed play to continue ) after a late tackle .
Rugby was designed largely as a game of evasion , was in my day anyway , not that I played it a lot . Particularly since becoming pro , it has become a game of collisions , which may appeal to those who like gladiatorial sport .
In theory the dozens of cameras should allow administrators etc to police the game effectively , but there seems to be a lack of consistency in those viewing what goes on . If a player commits deliberately to a late tackle they should be sin binned or carded . Timing is everything , but I seldom see any players these days easing up in the late tackle situation , so I can only assume it is coached . They all seem intent on inflicting maximum ( late) damage .
And why so angry ?
Todays match / reviews/tmos etc only proved to me that the rugby people do not all sing from the same hymn sheet . They are supposedly very worried about concussion , head injuries etc , yet Sexton was taken out of the game for a full minute ( ref allowed play to continue ) after a late tackle .
Rugby was designed largely as a game of evasion , was in my day anyway , not that I played it a lot . Particularly since becoming pro , it has become a game of collisions , which may appeal to those who like gladiatorial sport .
In theory the dozens of cameras should allow administrators etc to police the game effectively , but there seems to be a lack of consistency in those viewing what goes on . If a player commits deliberately to a late tackle they should be sin binned or carded . Timing is everything , but I seldom see any players these days easing up in the late tackle situation , so I can only assume it is coached . They all seem intent on inflicting maximum ( late) damage .
Try google about the weight of the French pack... It will also tell you when the Welsh match is.
Apart from a couple of the afrmentioned Polynesian freaks in the French front row, they are all lean guys, compared to a decade ago. Picamoles, their best player, moved to England to get fit!
No one debates there are more collisions...there is less space because the payers are fitter, professional athletes. There are still plenty of evasive small players still prospering, thankfully.
Unless Sextons brain is in his ribcage...he won't be suffering from concussion btw.
Start a feckin' GAA thread will ya and stop annoying me....
Apart from a couple of the afrmentioned Polynesian freaks in the French front row, they are all lean guys, compared to a decade ago. Picamoles, their best player, moved to England to get fit!
No one debates there are more collisions...there is less space because the payers are fitter, professional athletes. There are still plenty of evasive small players still prospering, thankfully.
Unless Sextons brain is in his ribcage...he won't be suffering from concussion btw.
Start a feckin' GAA thread will ya and stop annoying me....
AVERAGE weight of the 8 forwards playing for France was just over 18 stone . Some obviously heavier ( or lighter )than others . Blows holes in the claim that rugby players are getting smaller / lighter .
Wales apparently have an even heavier pack , guess the "leaner " guys aren't getting picked .
Was not aware that there was exclusivity in starting threads on the Irish forum .
No one was "annoying you" , you chose to post on my thread , itcanbe done , just as I posted on your virgin thread about Rory playing with Donald .
Wales apparently have an even heavier pack , guess the "leaner " guys aren't getting picked .
Was not aware that there was exclusivity in starting threads on the Irish forum .
No one was "annoying you" , you chose to post on my thread , itcanbe done , just as I posted on your virgin thread about Rory playing with Donald .
Pretty skillless sport really so let the meatheads bash each other up imo
Kelly you need to go have a talk with yourself if you think the Irish pack was heavier today. Those stats are never accurate and they certainly weren't today.
I watch a lot of rugby. As rugby goes JS didn't get too much of a hard time yesterday. It's a contact sport and JS is a bit fragile thesedays. His calf and hamstring have nothing to do with hits.
Rugby of 20 30 years ago had its minders but it's a fairly clean game thesedays albeit it's a harder game with the speed fitness and muscle bulk of players. The hits are huge at times.
TMO does a pretty good job
Rugby of 20 30 years ago had its minders but it's a fairly clean game thesedays albeit it's a harder game with the speed fitness and muscle bulk of players. The hits are huge at times.
TMO does a pretty good job
Blows holes in the claim that rugby players are getting smaller / lighter .
Are your synapses still connecting?
One isolated data point "blows holes" in an argument about weight progression in recent times?
No point wasting any more time on this topic with you. None of the points raised have registered with you.
Are your synapses still connecting?
One isolated data point "blows holes" in an argument about weight progression in recent times?
No point wasting any more time on this topic with you. None of the points raised have registered with you.
Bigwillystyle , where did I say the Irish pack were heavier on Saturday last ? Apologies in order ?
Guess you know you lost that argument itcanbedone re size of rugby players current versus past . One captain of Ireland in the eighties laughed when I asked him his weight ( as a forward ) in his prime , it was 14 and a half stone , he reckoned most wingers nowadays outweigh him . Just means the collisions are heftier and consequences potentially more serious .
The 80s...you think that's my argument?
I clearly stated that that the emphasis on size and bulk peaked a decade ago, perhaps a little bit longer.
If you think I am suggesting that players were heavier in the 80s than now...you must think I am a mor0n!
Get yourself checked over, do not get behind the wheel and do not trade until you have got a full MOT.
I clearly stated that that the emphasis on size and bulk peaked a decade ago, perhaps a little bit longer.
If you think I am suggesting that players were heavier in the 80s than now...you must think I am a mor0n!
Get yourself checked over, do not get behind the wheel and do not trade until you have got a full MOT.
Speight the Aussie player is around 22 or 23 stone.
16 stone is not a huge man
Even 17 stone is now massive if a guy is 6"3" ish.
Several no 4 or the players are 6'6" or more . They are naturally 17 or 18 stone and slim.
It depends a lot on speed and muscle bulk
16 stone is not a huge man
Even 17 stone is now massive if a guy is 6"3" ish.
Several no 4 or the players are 6'6" or more . They are naturally 17 or 18 stone and slim.
It depends a lot on speed and muscle bulk
Correct macrocky.
Speed x Mass = Force.
And because rugby makes cardiovascular demands of the player (unlike say American Football) that automatically places a ceiling on mass. Over-bulking is now seen as counter productive.
You do get naturally occurring monsters.....the key with them is to reduce overall bulk and increase mobility.
The reasons behind the bigger collisions are many; ball in play more hence more collisions, players fitter and faster (see above equation), more emphasis on defence, better defensive coaching, tackling methodologies etc etc.
This myth that there is no room for smaller skillful players is simply not true. Though there is less space for them to exploit. And they will obviously need to bulk up to an extent.
Speed x Mass = Force.
And because rugby makes cardiovascular demands of the player (unlike say American Football) that automatically places a ceiling on mass. Over-bulking is now seen as counter productive.
You do get naturally occurring monsters.....the key with them is to reduce overall bulk and increase mobility.
The reasons behind the bigger collisions are many; ball in play more hence more collisions, players fitter and faster (see above equation), more emphasis on defence, better defensive coaching, tackling methodologies etc etc.
This myth that there is no room for smaller skillful players is simply not true. Though there is less space for them to exploit. And they will obviously need to bulk up to an extent.
Never intimated that you suggested players were heavier in the eighties , itcanbedone , my example was purely for comparison purposes . The average weight of an international rugby player these days is probably 16 stone plus , given that even the backs( 7) these days weigh more than 14 stone on average .
The average weight of a GAA player at county level is probably about 13 stone or less , soccer internationals around about that also , the rugby guys are on average about 3 stone a man heavier therefore . Rugby type tackles mean a black card in GAA football , properly , soccer does not engender rugby type tackles as most players prefer to ( accidentally) kick their opponents legs . GAA football and soccer allow shoulder to shoulder contact whcih seldom results in injuries . In rugby the object of the tackle is to stop the opponent by bringing him to the ground , once upon a time most tackles were below the waist , but the incidence of neck high tackles has been rising steadily in the pro game particularly . Eventually the authorities have seen fit to instruct refs etc to take action to eliminate same , about time . Just wish they would winkle out the late tacklers who do nothing but bring the game into disrepute in their attempts to inhibit the more skilful players invariably targetted ) . Rugby would be a much better game if there were no late tackles given the bulk of the players doing the tackling .
The average weight of a GAA player at county level is probably about 13 stone or less , soccer internationals around about that also , the rugby guys are on average about 3 stone a man heavier therefore . Rugby type tackles mean a black card in GAA football , properly , soccer does not engender rugby type tackles as most players prefer to ( accidentally) kick their opponents legs . GAA football and soccer allow shoulder to shoulder contact whcih seldom results in injuries . In rugby the object of the tackle is to stop the opponent by bringing him to the ground , once upon a time most tackles were below the waist , but the incidence of neck high tackles has been rising steadily in the pro game particularly . Eventually the authorities have seen fit to instruct refs etc to take action to eliminate same , about time . Just wish they would winkle out the late tacklers who do nothing but bring the game into disrepute in their attempts to inhibit the more skilful players invariably targetted ) . Rugby would be a much better game if there were no late tackles given the bulk of the players doing the tackling .
The polynesians naturally have a bigger harder bone structure than the European rugby players.
My dog a boxer hit me at full tilt once below the knee and knocked me over. He was 40 kilos fit and muscular.
Just gives you perspective.
Robbie hens haw is a fit mobile hard 15 or stone back.
Nadolo of NZ is a savage specimen of a modern winger
My dog a boxer hit me at full tilt once below the knee and knocked me over. He was 40 kilos fit and muscular.
Just gives you perspective.
Robbie hens haw is a fit mobile hard 15 or stone back.
Nadolo of NZ is a savage specimen of a modern winger
Rugby is a sport for real men, viewer discretion is advised 
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqF7Gk9dIKw
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqF7Gk9dIKw
starting to think Kelly can not assimilate basic points made.
genuinely worried for the bloke.
genuinely worried for the bloke.
Macrocky my labradoodle ( 2-yo female , 28 kilos) hit me at full speed about 2 months ago , just on the knee which lost a cartilage many moons ago . Limping/ swollen for about 2 weeks . Glad she wasn't a boxer !
Last post by you just encapsulates your attitude itcanbedone . Puerile .
Enough , itcanbedone . There is also a history of longevity in our family , my mother has got 2 letters from Michael D on her last two birthdays , still wants to travel the world . My aunt reached 102 , her sister 97 , and my mothers sister is 95 , and she has an All Ireland medal from the forties . Strong Gael , she and her husband , nurtured my interest in GAA as my parents were not GAA esentially , albeit sporty. My father played soccer , tennis , cricket , and hurled a bit , strange mixture for those days .
It can be done , I only post on topics which I know , and most of my observations are based on personal experience . I cant help it if I have lots of friends and relations who are/ were sporty . I trust their judgement though .
I am not one who appreciates the "when did you stop beating your wife" types of questions , beloved of modern media . And I have a firm line in the sand re personal details ,particularly in the modern computer age .
I am not one who appreciates the "when did you stop beating your wife" types of questions , beloved of modern media . And I have a firm line in the sand re personal details ,particularly in the modern computer age .
"Did you fall and hit your head during this incident by any chance" . Anyone operating at this level of correspondence is beneath contempt , itcanbedone .
Oz, your hounding of the man is disgraceful, almost as if you see him as another Wildmanfromborneo to be chased from thread to thread, Kelly has been extremely generous engaging with you while having references of his families lack of courage on the rugby field thrown at him day after day,now you want to know his age,as you have highlighted many a time,you claim to have been either a contemporary or class mate of Michael O'Leary whose age is 55. Perhaps as a man of that age you should stop acting like a child.
So itcanbedone is actually Ozy ? Wondered where the twit had gone , not that we missed him . How can someone have 2 user names , are there none of the sharp minds at Betfair looking out for that type of cheating ?
Amazing that a trader of the ilk of the Irish George Soros is unable to get his head around having different accounts for different currencies.
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