Irish Influence.

All died-in-the-wool, committed conservatives or simply opportunists keeping an over-bearing, corporate paymaster happy?

Mickey Flynn heads back to breaking untried pointers my sense of the less-biased media is that the cosy assumptions no longer prevail and there has hasn't been as much calling out of lies, bombast and weasel words in quite a while.

Long may it last.

brownnosers to the monied classes every single one of them, yep there irish al right.

You have two switches wildman: on and off, no room in your black and white world for grey or nuance, no doubt allowed and toss in the occasional trolling grenade.

I prefer when you are at your toadying, obsequious best - like last week, for example - when you daren't offend or upset those in the "white" camp as you have decided that they are all honourable men and, if they don't share your precise views, it's not in your interest to offend them.

I should have listened to Workrider; GANT007 is patently a reasonable poster; I've great time for Racingqueen;He gets it.not for him the herd mentality; I have already stated I respect GANT007 brown nosing at its best.

No such concerns when your personal "black" biases are concerned and Royal Academy represents all self-respecting snowflakes - a word much-loved by your acolytes - and a brand of person to be pigeon-holed at all times into narrow, self-defining prejudices.

Your new-found love of the right wing Irish who have manacled themselves to Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch tells you that the succeeding generations of those that left these shores many decades ago have little in common with what is - still - generally a very tolerant island. The Irish in America you admire kept the Northern troubles going well beyond their cause, generally despise the blacks and are as insular and right wing as you dare to imagine. We share our colour with Trump's America but little else.

Referring to yourself in the third person is rarely a good idea.

I can disagree with posters and still respect them.
When I posted that I respected GANT007 it was just that,I respect him,I can argue without swearing or being insulting.
Similarly with Racingqueen,I think he's a good poster,didnt agree with him on the compensation topic but that doesn't mean I should insult him.

Its just pure spin to characterise politeness as " brown nosing "
I have never swore in my many posts,neither have I shortened or changed user names to insult them.
I try to argue with logic without rancour.

I can't agree that the Irish generally despise the blacks,that's some generalisation and reflects your prejudices.
You think I should offend people for the sake of it,I don't agree.

The Media in general here have been anti Trump in an hysterical way.
My favourite headline was the World Protests.
They think like you do that Trump is bad and you the Resistance are good.
The travel ban had ye all frothing at the mouth trying to outdo each other in outrage,yet the majority of Europeans agree with it.
Your living in a bubble,you never meet ordinary people so you like Bono and Bob Geldof can sneer at the concerns of ordinary people.
You have had a few electoral reverses lately and ye are screaming the place down,you can't win them all.

My point is that you feel the need to tell us your favourable opinion of those you are about to disagree with and it's clear you are advising them "this is nothing personal". It's unnecessary and reeks of some misguided favourtism. Poor Royal Academy frets about this and I say this advisedly taking your good counsel on board..

I have travelled extensively in the US and am familiar with the suburbs of New Jersey, Chicago and Boston where many of the Irish reside. It is no exaggeration to say that these areas thrive on a vision of Ireland long gone and still feel a bitterness and prejudice against those of alternative colour based on historical reasonings e.g. the New York draft riots. These are Trumps supporters. Dismissing Trump as an idiot and yet excusing those who follow him as having a greater and wiser vision is simply untrue. This is the age of image over substance and and a result very objectionable dogmas are unquestioned.

My experience of debating with you is that on the one hand there is you and on the other there are those who disagree with you and we all same the share liberal, left-leaning, tolerant, christian (small "c"), pacifist, Bono-loving values which is patently ludicrous.

I don't remember ever insulting you,neither do I want to.
I argue robustly and there will always be some generalisations,when I criticise some views I will often criticise hypocritical holders of those views.

I hate no one but accept that conversations move and aren't always consistent.
Anyone holding strong views will antagonise others at different stages.

It is possible to hold Left and Right wing views on varying topics..
I am to the right on social issues but to the left on economic issues,I suspect you are the mirror opposite.

Despite all this id safely say we have points of agreement starting with an innate distrust of Sinn Fein.

brownnosers to the monied classes every single one of them

Aren't we all?

The Irish obsession with America will always be there, Reagan, JFK and the lad who had a pint in Offaly with his 8th cousin.

Otherwise know as a Tourist trap.

It's a great shame Borneo cannot turn his able mind away from political dogma and into the realms of reasoned, factual-based debate. 

Dogma represents repetitive regurgitation of his own hardened opinion.  As RA has pointed out there is no room for nuance, balance, shades of grey even an occasional ability to reference, understand or accept the validity of some opposing views.

His trademark assertion of his personal opinion as definitive fact, with an allergic reaction to references to supportive statistics or relevant reports (derided as dry and irrelevant when compared to what he can see with his own two eyes in Birr and what he picks up on the Bar Stool and various Echo Chambers online) can surely only convince the gullible or those like-minded.

And that's before we get into the cronyism and tribalism reminiscent of a small time rural County Councillor.

It's a shame because buried beneath the mountain of bad, ingrained  habits is an agile and capable mind, with some very valid opinions.  I would also concede interesting opinions but the repetition does eventually detract from this (think the good song on the radio that gets over-played).

In short he is the perfect candidate for post-graduate education.  What this drills into you is good habits.....an over-riding obligation to reference and name established bona fide supporting statistics and studies and existing relevant literature, and to take this factual foundation and to build your own argument on top of it. All arguments that evolve are then challenged verbally by 'experts' in the field to polish the end result. All this (a Thesis) you can do from the comfort of your own home as there is no tuition involved per se, just the occassional meeting with  your supervisor.  I think you would find it a very engaging and satisfying process.

I really wish you would consider it, you have the time, ability and passion for the subject area.  Yes it would be a challenge to get accepted but I think you would be up to it.  It's a good story to hang an application on...to be giving it a go at your age, internet warrior turned academic, there may well be grants or scholarships.  And of course, old chap, I would be only to happy to help with any application, or a reference if required, the Cantab. at the end of my name is occasionally helpful in such matters

Please give to some thought.

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What would be the best subject choice, Sociology? I'd say you'd love it if you could finance it and/or spare the time. Think they do combos with History and Politics as well. Be right up your street, Wildman.

No subject choice.. a pure research based M.Phil(or whatever) ( i think these exist, not  sure though) en route to a PhD if he enjoys the Masters.  Or alternatively just go straight for the PHD, hard with no underling degree...but....alternatively a Masters with a large % of it (if not all) Thesis based as a stepping stone to PhD.

The only choice involved is the subject for the Thesis.

I would be happy to address him as Dr. Borneo on here in a few years.

To be fair a lot of Wildmans political responses on the forum were just simply disagreeing with fellas who supposedly are choc a block with degrees thinking that unchecked immigration into Europe was an absolutely terrific idea.

Oh right, yeah, I'd like to see that, he could get his academic pals to embrace the challenge of profitable horse betting that has broken many a great mind; we could document it all here.

Huge challenge, those research based papers, if I was relying on it, I'd always rather sit a test. At post-graduate level 9 or above, it is really hard to do well. If your are after a really high grade, I think there is a temptation to try and bring something new to the party, which if it doesn't get over, can really pound you in the ass grade wise.

Also, unacademic language and generalisations; friend of mine did something that I skimmed and quite enjoyed, he bombed because of his writing style and propensity for sweeping statements; which was probably why I like it!

liked it*

As far as I know Neill, most PhDs are not graded per se...you either get one or you are to keep trying.  There are a handful of commendations handed but but extremely rare.  Same story for research based masters degrees.

*told to keep trying

To be fair a lot of Wildmans political responses on the forum were just simply disagreeing with fellas who supposedly are choc a block with degrees thinking that unchecked immigration into Europe was an absolutely terrific idea.

where do you begin with a comment liked that?

1.  Please post a link to anyone, anywhere with even a trace of credibility or sense who ever claimed that "unchecked immigration" was a good idea.  Or better still top inventing straw man arguments.

2.  Regarding Borneos's "responses"....1.  He initiates the conversation typically.  2.  his dogma is heartfelt and genuine and goes way beyond disagreeing for the sake of it or for craic...look at the amount of time he devotes to it.

3. The jibe about "choc a block" with degrees speaks mostly to the enormous chip on your own uneducated shoulder.

Ah now,there was one fella pledging beds and everything, twas very funny.

I've never been in the running for one as you can tell! It seems really difficult, a big jump.

I take it that's a no, then to the question posed in  point 1 above.

Unless of course you equate 'pledging beds to deserving refugees' as  to being in agreement with 'unchecked immigration into Europe".  If you do, I would suspect learning difficulties may be at play. 

Returning to education might be the answer for you too, Pa.  In your case, i would suggest starting off with a single GCSE and even that might be ambitious.  I don't know if Begrudgery is part of the syllabus, if it is start with that, you ave a natural apptitude for it.

Now, I really must get on with my day.

It's not really that difficult, Neill.

But it can be a lonely, long, solitary existence, with a minute focus on a very narrowly defined subject area.  You really have to be interested in the focus of your research or it can be deathly dull.  And your fate lies in the hands of your Supervisor...you need to get along with them and ideally find a fair, reasonable one.

"pledging beds to deserving refugees" oh dear, you have cling on to that,you hadn't a clue whether they were deserving or not. Proven the vast majority were bogus,you were duped bigtime,you won't and can't admit it.
I don't blame ya, what a mug though.

No thanks with further education,i have different priorities.

We have been through this a 100 times. Pa.

Try thinking through how I have responded to these precise points in the past.

I don't have time to defend myself against groundless nonsensical accusations time and time again.

Good call on the education, the phrase about it being difficult to 'polish a tu rd' comes to mind.

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"pledging beds to deserving refugees" oh dear, you have cling on to that,you hadn't a clue whether they were deserving or not. Proven the vast majority were bogus,you were duped bigtime,you won't and can't admit it.
I don't blame ya, what a mug though.

No thanks with further education,i hav
e different priorities.
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The vast majority of re

The people that need help the most cannot afford to be called refugees. Refugees coming into Ireland stalled around 2008/2009 with the recession.
The majority that arrived between 1999 and 2008 were bogus and regularly return home for holidays. Economic migrant is probably the proper term.

You can have evidence from Frans Timmerman(vice president of European Council)

google 6 out of 10 migrants come for economic reasons and are not refugees.

While you are at it google, 4 out of 5 migrants are not from Syria.


You will see Rocketfingers most were originally sceptical though a few got sucked in and clamoured for pledging beds and things.
Come back to me when you have digested those figures.

And there was me thinking that "googling" was a mortal sin!

You completely miss the point, Pa, as ever.  And are hung up on the wrong issues.

I still happily pledge the bed.  Even if 1 (rather than 40 your source estimates) in a hundred was a genuine refugee it matters not...the bed is there for them. If being a  huminatarian wanting to help deserving people makes me a mug, I am delighted to be labelled one.

I am all for improved sorting of entrants, ideally at source.  It is a hugely difficult issue to solve.

Out of interest, do you think we should be helping deserving refugees?

I don't follow your post, Gant, I think you may be mixing up terms/labels.

Just found it ironic you were recommending someone else to take a political education course.

You stuck up the "they are not dangerous thread."  How wrong, the migrants are responsible for brexit and the election of Trump.  You played a blinder, head first,you got them consequences yourself,well done, funny old world.

In no circumstances should "we" take "deserving" refugees,their place and home are thousands of miles away, pay Greece/Turkey or such to give temporary shelter, once safe repatriate them with proper infrastructure,big bill but that is the right thing to do.

Have you the memory of a goldfish?  or just  bit simple?

Re-read the thread ..have responded to all those baseless points countless times.  Why continually re-assert falsehoods as to what I have said?   

In no circumstances should "we" take "deserving" refugees,their place and home are thousands of miles away, pay Greece/Turkey

Why "deserving" refugees in quotes....do you find it an oxymoron?  As regards their homes, have you seen the scale of the destruction?  We should help share the burden and integrate them in our country as part of a combined European -wide effort, not banish them like vermin.

Re read the thread yourself, 20% of the migrants are Syrian,over 60% are economic migrants,hence so called refugees, you were pledging a bed til that came to light.
No point going any further,that was a game changer,you had to change tack and called them "deserving" after that.

em...Pa, in all seriousness, I honestly completely fail to follow your train of thought.

I am still pledging a bed, I think I have made that clear.  Why do you choose to assert otherwise...its really dull to have to repeat myself.

The very label 'refugees', if established, implies that they are deserving by definition, whether it is implicitly stated or not..

Umpteen times I have asked you to copy and paste exactly which statements I made that you have issues with on that thread.  It would take you 5 minutes to do so...but you have never bothered.  I suppose its easier just to continue with vague, misplaced accusations. It will be simple for me to clarify any misunderstandings you cling to if you produce the exact quote.  lets put this to bed once and for all.  Am tired of your constant tiresome, disingenous and false interpretations of my words on this topic.

The intake of the 200 alleged minors is not looking good.

Well Ozy stop pledging and just GIVE the thing , you've been pledging it for nearly a year,just give it,and pop back the odd time and let us know how the poor thing is doing there's a good chap.

99.9% of these bed pledgers would pull the plug if the actually taught they were going to be asked to house someone. The do gooder brigade want them all thrown into disadvantaged ares like before.

Gant put it this way. Ozy, Bob, Bono,all pledged beds, none of the billy hunts GAVE them.

Wonks, where I live, many have pledged beds, but the government will not permit it. I don't know what the situation is in Ireland.

You can't just drive up to a Residence and say to a lad, come on, hop in, Pimm's o'clock back at my place.

Ozy, ffs stop kidding yourself, give him a bed down in Laois nothing stopping you, if your having trouble importing him , give Aer Lingus a shout......

It's true, Wonks, these lads are in a highly regulated system.  They are not allowed to step outside it...they are not even permitted to work..a great shame, especially in Germany where Angela has no shortage of work for them and they can help fuel the German economy.

Oz,go to bed ffs,its worse you're getting ,Doubt Angela will be in power after the next election.

Do any of them ever produce passports or prove who they really are. We had a nice case here last week with a gentleman from Romania.

What about the Romanian who took over 260,000e off the dole Gant, he had 2 different names, why would they want to WORK getting that sort of dosh for sitting on their arse.

I didn't have you down as an expert on German politics, Wonks.  Though frankly I don't have  you down as much of an expert on anything, old chap. 

Then again...Inane smileys, toothless retorts, and milking the State...may well make it onto your Mastermind specialist subject shortlist.

Well I suppose having a mind such as yours allows one much leeway ,Walter was a little like that.

Itcanbedone complains of repetition,where is the repetition in this topic,he introduces the repetition.

Its interesting to watch all these people of Irish descent on the right,its not entirely new but its a shift.
i omitted to mention the brilliant Kayleigh McEnany in my opening post.

RTE never interview these people,its either a Dowd or an O'Dowd.

As far as the well meaning advice is concerned,if I followed it through you wouldn't be too pleased.
My thesis would be on the most wronged man of the Twentieth century,a man who's mother came from Tipperary.
A man who was proven right by the publication of papers after the collapse of communism.
A man who died young after being pilloried by a host of traitors,he at least lent his name to something even though my interpretation is hugely in the minority.

Nope, can't solve the riddle. (Shades of Henry Kelly....Going for Gold..Who am I? I was born...)

I would have thought delving into some facet of the Islam Invasion would be closer to your heart, topical, of broader appeal, and Fox News could use you as a Talking Head/Expert on such matters. Kerching $$$s

A man whose excessive drinking led to his death? Let that be a lesson to you wildman.

He sadly drank himself to death,a brilliant mind quenched too early.

I'm surprised at Royal Academy falling for the propaganda.
It was Paulie Walnuts and Ozymandius who kept trying to portray me as some drunk who spent his days on a barstool,the fact is I'm a moderate drinker who never drank as a young man,I was too busy working.
I never minded these personal attacks and didnt bother too defend myself but that doesn't mean they were right.

The points about education are well made,yet all around I see people with the benefits of education without an original thought between them.
There are none so conforming or uniform than youth.

My comment was intended as merely humourous wildman, no offence intended (or indoctrination!)

I missed your post Itcanbedone.

Wouldn't make it as a talkinghead as not a good speaker.
Any thesis on Islam that didnt toe the conventional line would remain unseen.

No, it wouldn't. Originality and fresh angles (assuming these terms apply! ) are what they are after.  But you would need to substantiate your theories.

I never had you down as a drinker...the bar stool jibes were not intended to imply that.

You are right, too many gobsh1tes in education.  But that reflects more on government policy and societal trends than on education itself per se. And at least the type of post graduate course we are talking about requires some originality of thought.

So who is the most wronged man of the Twentieth century?

WONKS...

I think you would make an excellent study Wonks.  Remarkable of you to offer yourself up as a guinea pig to advance medical science. 

Best start requesting medical records from all the ahem, Institutions you have passed through over the years.

The only fly in the ointment is getting Dr Borneo to actually commit to meeting up with you, his subject, or if you prefer, muse.

Presumably wildman is referring to Joe McCarthy. It seems having Tipperary blood on the distaff side forgives a couple of faults and failings.

Oz,you seem to be forgetting, I once refused a meeting with your good self.

The great senator for Wisconsin wasn't without his faults

Joe McCarthy was a brilliant judge
A war hero
He may have been combative but he has since been proved correct by the Venona project.

His one lapse was his friendship with the Kennedys,it elevated them and paved the way for their disastrous reign in American politics.

Damn...McCarty was one of my guesses..didn't know he his Mother was from Tipp or that he died fro the drink.


Oz,you seem to be forgetting, I once refused a meeting with your good self.

Will ya feck off Wonks...you were as giddy as a schoolboy ringing around trying to establish the venue to see if you could make it..u even left me a voicemail apologising profusely and promising to pay for the next lunch!