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has died @55...dont know the circumstances..only that he was ill..
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Shocking news Tony,
Didn't even know he was sick ( maybe it was sudden).
Always liked him, RIP Walter.
Didn't even know he was sick ( maybe it was sudden).
Always liked him, RIP Walter.
Shocked to hear that news, poor guy had a short life . Always came across as a nice fella, you could see he had a bit of polish about him. It's not too many flat jockeys who are privately educated, and you'd know from listening to him, he had a touch of class about him .
When you see the white trash that ride horses nowadays that will probably live until they are 100, it makes this sudden passing of a true gentleman all the more saddening.
May he RIP
When you see the white trash that ride horses nowadays that will probably live until they are 100, it makes this sudden passing of a true gentleman all the more saddening.
May he RIP
I'm shocked also.
A very understated jockey but top class.
His father was Wally Swinburne who rode for Dermot Weld and his mother was Doreen Cash from Birr.
I think both are still alive which will be very hard on them.
A very understated jockey but top class.
His father was Wally Swinburne who rode for Dermot Weld and his mother was Doreen Cash from Birr.
I think both are still alive which will be very hard on them.
His prime was well before my time, but would be obviously aware of his standing as a jockey.
Always thought he must have found it tough the level he had to train at given what he did as a jockey.
Carried himself very well, and was a very thoughtful interviewee from what I remember. He and Eddery gone very young.
didn't realise his Irish roots; seemed to get the best of both sides.
Always thought he must have found it tough the level he had to train at given what he did as a jockey.
Carried himself very well, and was a very thoughtful interviewee from what I remember. He and Eddery gone very young.
didn't realise his Irish roots; seemed to get the best of both sides.
Neill , Went to school in Rockwell
Played rugby with them , he was good too.
Played rugby with them , he was good too.
My memory of him would be Matt Chapman interviewing him on the Get On programme, I used to record it every day and watch it in the evening when the races were run to hear if there was anything interesting.
You could skip through a lot of them quickly enough but I would've always have listened to Swinburne, himself and Matt actually had a very good rapport. Very interesting hearing him speak about other trainers' horses which the conversation would invariably turn to.
I'm not surprised he was a good Rugby player as the best jocks are invariably good natural athletes, Ruby was supposed to be a serviceable scrum-half as well. That's the problem with some of the guys on the AW and Northern English jumping scene, they are just poorly co-ordinated which is why they never seem to get better no natter how much experience they get. They are there basically because they are small!
I digress!
RIP, Walter....
You could skip through a lot of them quickly enough but I would've always have listened to Swinburne, himself and Matt actually had a very good rapport. Very interesting hearing him speak about other trainers' horses which the conversation would invariably turn to.
I'm not surprised he was a good Rugby player as the best jocks are invariably good natural athletes, Ruby was supposed to be a serviceable scrum-half as well. That's the problem with some of the guys on the AW and Northern English jumping scene, they are just poorly co-ordinated which is why they never seem to get better no natter how much experience they get. They are there basically because they are small!
I digress!
RIP, Walter....
Epilepsy according to the lads on chit chat, R.I.P. Walter a excellent jockey and gentleman...
Neill, there isn't much wrong with their co ordination when it comes to pressing buttons.
Too right, there isn't then.
Dai Walters has done a very shrewd bit of business retaining Davy Russell; first dividend today.
Swinburne apparently had bomb-proof temperament, could be on a 4/6 shot in the Derby and his driver would still have to wake him up when he reached the course.
Dai Walters has done a very shrewd bit of business retaining Davy Russell; first dividend today.
Swinburne apparently had bomb-proof temperament, could be on a 4/6 shot in the Derby and his driver would still have to wake him up when he reached the course.
You must be the same neill did you miss Russell on whisper at Cheltenham on Saturday?
The Choirboy will be best remembered rideing Shergar, R.I.P. WALTER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uf0B02SXNs
I had work part of Saturday, missed that race; he'd make a lot of difference to a horse like Whisper for sure, in fact any horse.
I'm actually sorry I missed it, Mitch. I'd say I'd have backed it.
If Henderson really wants it, he should put him on Different gravy next time, he'll tell him what to do with him. Henderson could really do with a top quality first jockey, Nicholls as well; its nearly negligent when there is one available.
Walter Swinburns ride on Sharastani was perfection,it kind of got lost in the discussion on Greville Starkey and Dancing Brave.
His riding of Zilzal was also a joy to watch.
Whilst he was bomb proof temperament wise he wasn't a good judge of a horse,he frequently picked wrong.
He also rode Ajdal in the 2000 Guineas where it patently failed to stay,he failed to communicate to his boss so much so they ran it in the Derby.
It was Stoute not Swinburns who realised he was an out an out sprinter.
Swinburn also fell foul of the modern scourges of flat jockeys.
The first was something that nothing can be done about,weight.
He had to waste all his life and it took its toll.
The second scourge is danger,its ever present and he was seriously injured in the Far East.
The third scourge is the current mania for persecuting jockeys with ridiculous bans.
Its now epidemic but Swinburn missed Shergars Irish Derby triumph because he picked up a ban in Royal Ascot.
He was only nineteen but the Stewards got to show him who's boss.
Mincer pays a nice tribute to Swinburn but can't resist an unnecessary and wrong dig at current jockeys.
These brave men and women are in constant danger and dramatically underpaid,I'm talking flat here but look at all the injuries they get.
Samantha Bell suffered terrible injuries and isint back yet.
They have to run the gauntlet of people like Mincer if they give what some perceive to be a bad ride,they then will be abused by a trainer or owner when that is over they are hauled before stewards who ban them.
How this ludicrous situation is allowed is beyond me,it seems to me like the deliberate breaking of an individual.
When it comes to jump jockeys the danger is ratcheted up to such an extent you can guarantee being broken up.
These men are criminally underpaid and poorly led.
His riding of Zilzal was also a joy to watch.
Whilst he was bomb proof temperament wise he wasn't a good judge of a horse,he frequently picked wrong.
He also rode Ajdal in the 2000 Guineas where it patently failed to stay,he failed to communicate to his boss so much so they ran it in the Derby.
It was Stoute not Swinburns who realised he was an out an out sprinter.
Swinburn also fell foul of the modern scourges of flat jockeys.
The first was something that nothing can be done about,weight.
He had to waste all his life and it took its toll.
The second scourge is danger,its ever present and he was seriously injured in the Far East.
The third scourge is the current mania for persecuting jockeys with ridiculous bans.
Its now epidemic but Swinburn missed Shergars Irish Derby triumph because he picked up a ban in Royal Ascot.
He was only nineteen but the Stewards got to show him who's boss.
Mincer pays a nice tribute to Swinburn but can't resist an unnecessary and wrong dig at current jockeys.
These brave men and women are in constant danger and dramatically underpaid,I'm talking flat here but look at all the injuries they get.
Samantha Bell suffered terrible injuries and isint back yet.
They have to run the gauntlet of people like Mincer if they give what some perceive to be a bad ride,they then will be abused by a trainer or owner when that is over they are hauled before stewards who ban them.
How this ludicrous situation is allowed is beyond me,it seems to me like the deliberate breaking of an individual.
When it comes to jump jockeys the danger is ratcheted up to such an extent you can guarantee being broken up.
These men are criminally underpaid and poorly led.
Dan, I don't see why we have to laud jockeys the way you do. I quite like some jockeys and I can very much admire others. There are even some where I can do both. But I don't see why I have to refrain from abusing any jockey just because he is brave enough to throw his leg over a racehorse. It's as if that very deed qualifies for immunity in your world .
Now I don't expect every rider to be Ruby Walsh , but what I do expect is that jockeys should ride with some common sense, and when that doesn't happen, any punter is well within his rights to give them stick .
I'm not talking about a jockey giving an easy to one , because in most instances he has no choice . What I'm on about is jockeys who complicate things, and who showboat regularly.
There are quite a few jockeys , flat ones in particular who are nowhere near as good as they might think they are.
Now I don't expect every rider to be Ruby Walsh , but what I do expect is that jockeys should ride with some common sense, and when that doesn't happen, any punter is well within his rights to give them stick .
I'm not talking about a jockey giving an easy to one , because in most instances he has no choice . What I'm on about is jockeys who complicate things, and who showboat regularly.
There are quite a few jockeys , flat ones in particular who are nowhere near as good as they might think they are.
Like myself Wildman your getting on but your memory for things long gone is excellent, i have to agree with you on Walters ride on Sharastani, its worth another look but i think its fair to say that Danceing Brave was one of greatest horse never to win the Epsom Derby. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-S8eJb2xJ4
El Gran Senor would have been right up there with Dancing Brave as the best horse to fail in the derby.
His performances before and indeed afterwards made him a brilliant racehorse . Saying that dancing brave was a tremendous horse as well. It would be difficult enough to split them.
His performances before and indeed afterwards made him a brilliant racehorse . Saying that dancing brave was a tremendous horse as well. It would be difficult enough to split them.
i never saw him ride in the flesh..but i met him once on course at lingfield..he was with one of his father in laws horses..he told me he fancied it...it got beat a nose..
but he was approachable..
but he was approachable..
My first ever visit to Epsom for The Derby was in 1986 for Shahrastani's win. A few things remain indelibly in my mind:
The number of people who were there purely to get blind, ossified drunk and the main grandstand area was "no go" after a couple of hours with no thought to the non-drinking general public.
The air of disbelief amongst racegoers that Starkey had failed to get up on Dancing Brave - he seemed to have been a "horse of the people" (I know!) and it was the first time I ever witnessed anything like it. There was absolute bedlam during and after the race and the cacophony of noise was unforgettable.
Getting out afterwards, there were more gypsies, hookers and assorted conmen in the roads around Epsom that I remember feeling scared as a young lad.
It was a pity Wally (senior) disappeared from Ireland as he would have enjoyed a good and popular retirement here.
Allowing for all the showboaters and the like, the life of a jockey must be intriguing given the association with betting and all the hangers on. A few - very few! - jockeys' biographies have been honest but mostly about alcohol and the gambling side must be a dark pit.
The number of people who were there purely to get blind, ossified drunk and the main grandstand area was "no go" after a couple of hours with no thought to the non-drinking general public.
The air of disbelief amongst racegoers that Starkey had failed to get up on Dancing Brave - he seemed to have been a "horse of the people" (I know!) and it was the first time I ever witnessed anything like it. There was absolute bedlam during and after the race and the cacophony of noise was unforgettable.
Getting out afterwards, there were more gypsies, hookers and assorted conmen in the roads around Epsom that I remember feeling scared as a young lad.
It was a pity Wally (senior) disappeared from Ireland as he would have enjoyed a good and popular retirement here.
Allowing for all the showboaters and the like, the life of a jockey must be intriguing given the association with betting and all the hangers on. A few - very few! - jockeys' biographies have been honest but mostly about alcohol and the gambling side must be a dark pit.
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