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Thistlecrack & Cue Card
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Christmas ruined ? am I missing something ,or was it not always going to happen ,two horses with HUGE chances and you expected him to take one out , cop on son.
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WR,
No interest in the slightest in your opinion as I have told you on many occasions. Only the other day you referred to Mall Dini not appreciating 3 miles when he has won over 3 miles at the Cheltenham festival. or when you were opposing an AOB faourite because he was by War Front and then proceeded to put up another war front colt. Kindly refrain from attempting to engage with me and I'll return the courtesy. |
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So because you make a complete tool of yourself , putting up odds on shots , like the one the other day that got stuffed after your staggering epic write up of its chances. Or is it you think Tizzard reads your posts, you my friend have been one hell of a talker ,but one SHYTE tipster, its safe to say ,Mall Dini got stuffed the other day, I put up the winner ,so who do YOU think stayed the better ,Mall or GENIE ....
 ..I'll keep myself well away from the likes of you ,they have a saying for the likes of you, all mouth and no trousers ... |
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Is this scum bag back on the forum.
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Is this scum bag back on the forum.
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I couldn't believe that Tizzard/Potts horse went off at 11/4 at Hereford given what he had cost. According to the ATR site, Fehilly said before the race that Harry Fry thought a lot of the second and told Tom O'Brien he'd have to go some to beat him.
Explained a lot to me because I couldn't make head nor tail of the 11/4. That winner might take high rank among the British novices this year. The Tizzards are some outfit, they may well be quite innovative as well in that Colin Tizzard said in an interview on Sunday that some of his horses have feed available to them non-stop, ie they can eat as much as they want, I'd never heard of this practice. I would still favour Cue Card, if you were being super harsh on Thistlecrack, you could take his career best run against Alpha des Obeaux and say that Cue Card could've done the same thing to that opponent at 3 miles over hurdles. |
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You remind me of a guy who takes 4/5 on a coin toss and then explains how it's a good bet.
I'd say Mall Dini is being campaigned with handicaps in mind. I don't think a trip that he has won over at Cheltenham is a negative. This thread is just a discussion and almost of the forumites that have contributed are ones whose opinions are interesting. |
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Coin toss a true reflection of yourself no doubt,the fact Mall started @ 9/10 fav seems to have escaped you , plenty of money for it on the day, I think you have delusions of grandeur ,I'll take what you have to say with a pinch of salt . You seem to think that if its odds on it can't get beat and play accordingly,now that Tizzard has decided to do the right thing by his owners you are crying foul.I have better things to be doing with my time than educating you in the ways of racing, good night.
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One other line from that Tizzard interview on Sunday, when asked who would win in a race between his two stable stars? He replied that he couldn't anwser for fear of upsetting connections. In the same breath he went on to say that "You're looking at the best racehorse in the country" while holding Cue Card.
There are two massive things in Cue Card's favour, his jumping is proven relative to Thistlecrack who has looked like a horse who could have issues jumping fences at King George pace. The other thing is that he was going between Don Cossack and Djakadam 3 out in the Gold Cup, Brennan was making a move when he fell he was going that well; nothing Thistlecrack has ever done is at that level given the competition in 3 mile hurdles last season was pitiful. Cue Card is also the only horse to ever overhaul Vautour after the last fence. I would expect Djak, Don Cossack, Cue Card and Vautor to all give a solid hiding to Alpha Des Obeaux at 3 miles over hurdles on good ground. There's a possibility Thistlecrack's hurdle form isn't much; beware wide margin winners and that. |
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For a historical perspective,
I remember Kauto Star ripping apart Voy Por Ustedes who was some way fancied based on form outside of staying chases. He did the same thing to My Way De Solzen at Kempton in this race confirming the hand beating he gave him in the Betfair when My way was quite a well fancied 11/4 shot. My Way had won a weak Arkle and much of the confidence he could become a top staying chaser came from his stayers hurdle win. Materminde was another to try although he was possibly was coming to his end anyway, injured in the race; but he had a scintillating Aintree performance over 2m4f that year. Horses don't just bounce into King Georges with form from other disciplines than staying chasing and win. |
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typo riddled, apologies
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One that did eentually manage to win when stepping up in distance is Edredon Bleu. (Ref to MM)
Kempton gives the best chance of getting a trip with its flat nature. Vautour nearly got home last year but only for a terrible ride by Cooper he would have been third. You'll rarely see a worse ride than that in a grade one and it was then followed with getting bullied by Ruby with NC against IT. He gave automated a peach last week, a horse that was on my radar as well handicapped but thought he might be better over 2 miles so left it off. Neil D...Last novice to run in KG? |
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Cannot think of one, one thing running in a Gold Cup in March, they're doing it with 11 odd weeks less experience here which must be a factor.
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Id say there's a good chance its never been done before.
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It's funny but if Thistlecrack wins after Coneygree having won a Gold Cup, it could start a trend for the elite level novices.
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Don't know about whether a novice ever won the King George, but Strong Promise ran in it against One Man and bombed out.
Another horse who ran in the race but was arguably a specialist 2 1/2 miler, just like Remittance Man and Azertyuiop. I do agree though that it's a good starting point to be stepping up in trip and it would have been a perfect early season target for Douvan. There is plenty of stamina in his pedigree but unfortunately his trainer would rather school around again next week for another 1 against his name, rather than race his horse against credible opponents. And to think people gave Hen Knight a hard time the way Best Mate was campaigned. Compare his second season novice campaign to that of Douvan's - he went on to win 3 Gold cups after finishing second in the King George. Would Douvan's reputation be in tatters if he went down fighting to either Cue Card or Thistlecrack? Of course not it would be enhanced if anything. Credit to the Tizzards, a breath of fresh air to the game. |
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I would have imagined the Tizzards would have preferred to keep them apart. And failed to convince the owners.
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dj876 has a neck like a jockeys bolli,X with the threads that he puts up on here.
The sad basket keeps trying to justify himself. NEWSFLASH. Cue card will take on Thistlecrack in the King George. |
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Ah but don't he have lovely writing skills , the luvvies on here find him jaw dropping,the pity is hes hardly got ANYTHING right on here for all his flowery words, this is just another example of him shooting himself in the foot. He'd have you in the poor house, he would.
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I fully expect Cue Card to put the little upstart in his place this afternoon , and think 5/4 is a monster price .
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What a performance from a horse that according to the OP should have gone for the Kauto and RSA......
. Ah well he is a amusing little chap..... |
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Thistlecrack looked impressive but beat a crowd of has-beens and camels. Far bigger tests ahead
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He could only beat whats put up to him, in fairness and he did it brilliantly Arkle.
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Going off tangent here,but agree with frank the tank re Douvan and the way he's been campaigned, zero credibility. Hasn't been a credible opponent to date, Sizing John is the best horse he's ever beat to date. He's clearly very good but keeps beating absolute camels.
Connections afraid of their life to try get him out of his comfort zone, no balls at all, the difference between the connections of thistlecrack and douvan, even if TC would have been beat today ye can only admire his connections actually giving it a go. |
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Another hack canter around in a grade 1 tomorrow at odds of 1/6, second fav is a useless plodder oh and he's up against that pesky sizing John again
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workrider • December 26, 2016 8:42 AM GMT
I fully expect Cue Card to put the little upstart in his place this afternoon , and think 5/4 is a monster price . Whoopsie Daisy, hope Cue Card did not cost you too much WR. |
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Worth a look...
https://twitter.com/kyledavies222/status/813411548450398212 |
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Sad to say Catch, but one of my worst losing days EVER . Every race I made a two horse race I backed the wrong one.
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Pity....still a few good races to come.
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wd dj876
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