Now is the time to bet like men.

Well done anyone who went against the tide . Couldn't see it coming myself , even given the Brexit result , thought the Americans had more sense than the Brits .

Might be a scary next few months .

Why is it scary ?

The Plutocrats,Wall Street and the wealthy donors have lost,the ordinary American has won.

America has been saved.

There is also a message to the European elites,the people don't want open borders.

Wildo, nobody ever lost money by taking a profit, that is the first rule of the game. A game you admitted earlier on that you know nothing about, when you said you were unable to put a true price on Trump, let's just leave it at that.

Taking a profit after the event is over is not a good idea.
I doubt you backed Trump at all,I think you put up this thread to slag Trump voters and as a pathetic each way bet in case Trump won.

I am not an odds compiler,I leave that to the bookies.

Janey your an awful sore winner.The event is still in play as I type. I recall backing a horse at Cheltenham a couple of years back 50s on here, I think Lucy Mangan was up and the horse had so much in hand as it cantered to victory that it decided to out for another circuit and left the poor girl on her back. Another yoke cruising to victory had a horse behind have a heart attack career into the running rail which behaved like Indiana Jones whip and took off my jockey neat as you pleased.
You misunderstand the game trading is not about picking winners it's about taking advantage of price changes and it is better to do this technically rather than fundamentally, but sure look there is no points putting pearls before swine, but I will I give you one more, don't be such an eejit all the time.

Your recall ain't so good either as Oscar Delta wasn't 50/1 when Jane Mangan ( not Lucy )was unseated.

Your a spoofer pretending to be this professional trader,naturally backing at the highest price and laying at the lowest.

I'm just a punter,I'm not professional i just do it because I like betting.

Mincer had you sussed earlier on on this thread.

The lady Rock Piper accused of frothing at the mouth,Ann Coulter won the election for Trump.

Congratulations Rock Piper.

He and Hillary Clinton have both gone off in a sulk.

The American Dream has just died

America would have died if Hillary got in.

Wildo, I am a yoga teacher not a pro punter, in fact I rarely bet. Sorry I conflated Mangan with Lucy Horner another Jockette who did something similar to me. Sorry if I offended you but I didn't mean to insult you by calling you an idiot it was just an observation necessary to my calculations.

You didnt offend me at all,I enjoyed the night and feel America has been saved.

What next for us,a bet for Sligo Rovers to win the Champions league in 1918.

Good luck to you and I hope you won plenty.

What has come out of this is , can polls EVER be believed again .Wildmanfromborneo proved right Again , the people have spoken . Clintons big money backers doing their nuts atm....Hilary's claim that most of Trumps supporters were low life came home too roost...

And Sancho Panza shoes the donkey and clip clops over towards Mexico....his love of his master knows no bounds....calloused hands lifting bricks shall be but a small price to pay

Sancho Panza

Obviously people in our democratic countries have shown they are fed up with their political leaders ( or their policies) .  Could partly understand the Brexit reaction which was a supreme act of arrogant stupidity by Cameron and co  , find it harder to understand yesterdays events . Significant possibly that Clinton was judged to be the worst regarded potential presidential candidate in history , apart that is from Trump .

Voters obviously between a rock and a hard place . Have not seen any figures re total votes for each candidate , but betting on here indicates Clinton will beat Trump in the popular vote , so democracy does not work that way .

It would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall when Boris meets Donald for the first time , are they capable of talking politics ?

obvious now kelly wasnt too obvious a few hours ago when declaring hilary a shoo in, never lost it

R.A.Hole ,at least the Man will built something ,unlike the Witch you're so fond of. She didn't even have the decency to come out and say sorry to her followers ,shows the bitch up for what she really is.Like all liberals when things are going swimmingly everything's rosey in the garden . When defeat follows their real self shows itself . Simply no bottle from the witch ,America must be thanking its lucky stars the Witch didn't make it...

Now, now wonks...don't think you ever saw me being a Clintonite.....but I do recognise a turd when I see one.

Anyway, it's all a laugh. America will be fine-whatever about the Baltic States and Ukraine.

By the way, you didn't think the "man" was Trump by any chance? regular readers know who the "man" is so please keep up.

Let me remind you: the "man" thinks you are Sir Stanley Matthews. Ever since, I see you playing "keepie-uppies" in the garden and it's a funny sight. Wildman: thank you for the gift that keeps on giving.

"What has come out of this is , can polls EVER be believed again " The polls were very close to correct if you knew how to read them. Nate Silver gave Trump a 34% chance of winning see the OP, factor in the "sneaking regarder" bias with don't knows, Johnson voters, and Clinton voters defecting on the sly and you have the result, see OP again.

The polls were wrong.
In fairness to you you factored in the sneaky regarder and read it right.

R.A .Hole, like herself I see your doing a runner .The know alls got it wrong simply because the working class have had enough of been ripped off by Liberals, who do nothing but profit from their hard work. America will be fine with Donald in charge , in fact I'd say a breath of fresh air is about to blow ,thats a skills the Libs seem to have in abundance ,the running away .The people are taking back their Counties one by one,no more hard luck stories about immigrants etc,with a bit of luck he'll pack the alien Paddies back home pronto as well ,lets see if we can combine our skills and get them all homes here ,we seem to take in all sorts so there should be no problem housing our own,what do you think ?. Those who demonstrated against giving him a Government welcome recently ,will be the first with their begging letters now he's President...You would be better off sticking to watching Bohs play in that dump of theirs than getting involved in what you know nothing about ,that been most things...

The pollsters were lied to, but even if they weren't Silvers model had Trump winning 34 elections out of a hundred.

Rock , the polls have been getting it wrong bigtime both here and abroad for quite awhile now ,time they were held to account ,they have no relevant meaning anymore ,granted there maybe the odd one who gets it right, but overall they are rubbish .

The polls have had similar margins of error in previous US elections, go over to Nate Silvers site for a read I really recommend it. I also must mention that Michael Moore called it for Trump and claimed he was voting for him too, google it there is an article there somewhere, where does Moore stand in the pantheon of arch liberals.

This guy Sam Wang was the oppo to Nate silver, I hope likes he eating hat, I alluded to the Upshot and the Huff predictions in the OP. Matt Oczkowski of Cambridge Analytica, Trumps data team, also claims to have called it for Trump but he waited until after the result was in to tell the world.   

Natalie Jackson, the senior polling editor at The Huffington Post, told me that Wang uses the HuffPost Pollster data feed and that they both use the same polls, which explains the similarity.1 “Our forecast has been in line with Sam’s for most of the time it’s been up (we posted Oct. 3), and our probability of Clinton winning never dipped below 84 percent,” she said. “The polling data has never consistently shown anything but a Clinton win.”

https://www.wired.com/2016/11/2016s-election-data-hero-isnt-nate-silver-sam-wang/

There is talk of Calexit if Trump takes on the tech firms in CA, seccession is unlikely given how the civil war went, but some speculate that the Tech biz may mexigrate or canagrate over a convenient border if he does so.

Superb stuff from Rock Piper, one of the best calls in the history of the forum.

It was a  very good call , hope Rock piper exploited his judgement to give a good yield .

Re the overall result and subsequent speech from the winner , I trust  the more conciliatory tone exhibited persists after inauguration. The Clintons male and female stood by us in Ireland above and beyond the sheer call of duty in dark days emergent from seriously rough times , Trump is an unknown in this regard . 

That Clinton went from 1.24 to 1.13 in the approximate time frame  yesterday evening to just after poll closing last night , largely I suspect on basis of queues at the polls shows how wrong the pundits can get it . The extra factor in those queues now appears to have been ordinary Joe Soaps ( white mainly) who felt left out of mainstream political thinking in the States . Celebrity played its part too probably , and Clinton while politically adept is not a street fighter . Ali used  rope a dope to thwart an opponent , wonder could it be applied to politics .

A mate I met today studied American politics at uni for 4 years , says he could not see yesterdays result in any of the tea leaves . The checks and balances in their system may certainly thwart any form of wall building he says . And other extreme policies hopefully .

In terms of the pollsters getting it wrong HRC won the popular ballot AFAIK, so while polling may be a dismal science there is hope for it yet, on that subject I hear that DJT has installed a science denier as his head of environment protection.

I followed my own advivc, Kelly all is paid for till the new year leaving me free to renovate a place I have.

Well done Rock if you have indeed collected on the bet. Brexit was the game changer .

Collected on Brexit too, I put it up here too, as I said Nobody ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the people, they will swallow any old guff. I read a piece on Atlantic by one of the neo cons recently forget which one and he said "The people need to be led" and its true, the majority prefer  authority   figures peddling simple solutions to complex problems as they are unwilling and/or unable to think for themselves, long may it continue and long may we profit.

I didn't see this coming at all.

I think the salient point out of all of this is that as a body, the American media, may be the media in general has little conception of the Ble Collar male and his family. I find this odd because I always used to assume that many many journalists were the sons and daughters of Blue Collar workers. I wonder where they are drawing their people from these days. It can't all be that people aren't engaging with pollsters.

Rock Piper showed that there are obviously some very astute judges around in the media, but by and large, not so much.

I'm beginning to wonder are they wrong on women too and what it is perceived they want.

Populists whether press or politicians understand their target audience better and know how to press their buttons than ordinary media. Blue collar workers in the US and the English working class have been voting for the GOP and Tories since Reagan and Thatcher introduced the neo-liberalism the destroyed manufacturing in those countries in favour of low productivity, low pay, low status service jobs while Germany France and the rest of the EU more or less kept their factories.  Yet the same blue collar voters continue to vote for those parties. This is a source of considerable amusement among the working class in France who kept their jobs and have strong unions.

" blue collar workers in the US and the English working class have been voting GOP and Tory since Reagan and Thatcher "

That's just not true.

In the US they were known as Reagan democrats but they returned to the Democrats with Bill Clinton.
Also the Reagan democrats were slightly different in that they were relatively prosperous.
The working class that voted Trump were the unemployed,the left behind the type who didnt vote before.

The British working class dont vote Tory they vote Labour.
That party is now filled with internationalists and no border merchants who look down on the working class and have abandoned them.
That vote is still rock solid Labour but UKIP are making some inroads.

If, as you say "The British working class dont vote Tory they vote Labour" what on earth is going on on Chit Chat, decidedly a working class locale, where the cognoscenti are forever bashing 'the left'?

The English working class have never voted en masse for the Tories but do vote in significant numbers, but they do tend to be the aspirational  kind, Mondeo man, white van man etc. I was reading something recently about the so called Reagan Democrats and according to it they never came back particularly in southern states that were once solidly Democrat. Neo-liberalism became hedgemonic in the UK and US and the left followed the right rightwards in economic policy. The English working class produced its MPs through the unions, and those unions no longer exist, the enemy within Thatcher called them, many believe that the collapse of UK manufacturing in the 1980's was engineered by Thatcher with this purpose in mind.

My theory with Tory working class vote they would be getting on a bit now,Thatcher bought them by privatising state owned utilities and giving everyone a chance to buy shares cheaply,also the selling of council houses bought their vote as well, this might appear condradicory because of the miners etc but it improve the life of the working man who was able to play the capitalist game at the time.

Rock Piper

My point is the Reagan democrats have only returned now.
The Southern States were democrat because they were the party of segregation.
George Wallace the senator from Alabama was a Democrat.

Ozymandius.

I don't know what class they are on chit chat but would have a fair guess they are old which is why they tend to the right.

Trump tax advisor is saying that US companies in Ireland will all be going home. I met some very worried people today , those job losses won't affect many on here.

Former welders from Ohio are going to retrain in objective C.

Now we'll feel the pain of abusing the man ,serves us right if he does . Us Irish having had the best of it for years and never been grateful ,always feeling we have rights . Rock cant see this happening anytime soon , but awake up call if ever there was one...

My sister and husband work as senior pros in  US multi national love their jobs and the company shieting it this evening, I will pass on your reassurances.

Ah well if they are "senior pros" no doubt they have been at the teat long enough, "senior pros" at an American company must have done well,big wage and no doubt plenty in the bank. If it does materialise i,d feel for the likes of Apple workers who only get so much. Enda never let on a word about such with his telephone call, only the St Patricks Day blow out, lot worse off and maybe Workrider is right to an extent.

firstly rock piper, I hope you made a pretty penny on the outcome, as you did point out nates percentages highlighted that trump was been under estimated in the market prices.

2 days after the event, in the cold light of day, I summarise the vote as such.

the Clinton voting block consisted of those inside the tent that were quite comfortable...the winners in the cities, the beneficiaries of multinationalism and globalisation, plus "the minorities", those concerned about social issues like gay rights/abortion etc, and obviously the black vote, which Clinton in a pure racist manner appealed to.

the Trump voters, were a union of pro Trump and anti Clinton.....the key group being the rust belt losers of multinationalism and globalisation(mostly former democrats)...trump also won the "Retro" vote...the deeply socially conservative Christians......the grey vote was part of that group, but not exclusively, trump won the "grey" vote, senior citizens appalled by the direction the US was heading.

end of day...the "economic losers" + the Christians +  the elders won in the critical states....the most striking feature was that rural America voted almost exclusively for Trump.

America is socially, economically and racially divided.
with the senate and house elections falling the way of the Republicans....the social argument is going to be won by the Christian conservatives, and the liberal supporters of gay rights and abortion are going to be see their movements set back to the past.....the appointment of Conservative judges to the supreme court will guarantee that.

Trump being Trump, is a mover and a shaker....Obama was a great orator and otherwise a disaster.....with Trump we will get action.

The obvious global trend is towards nationalism and protectionism...Trump will be aware that he cannot solve all the problems..BUT...he must be seen to act.  To placate the lack of jobs in the rust belt and answer to the calls of nationalism over globalism, Trump will inside his first 6 months make a dramatic reduction in corporation rates.

Such a policy decision may on its own not return jobs to the US, however, behind the scenes I can see loads of pressure being put on top executives of US owned(but foreign employing) firms to return home, add in new protectionist policies......although the outcome initially may not be a monster return of manufacturing to the US, there will be a significant number return home and that will be seen as a success in Trump terms.

A reality exists today whereby "American" firms often employ more people in countries such as Ireland, China, India than they do in their home country. In effect, people, like the two relations mentioned by Rock Piper, have their jobs at the expense of US counterparts. Employees of such American multinationals in Ireland, following this US election and with the near certain dramatic drop in the US corporation rates, are in a dire position. The likely employment lifespan of a US multinational employee in Ireland has just dropped from 20 years down to 3 or 4 max.

Whatever government will be ruling in Ireland in the coming years, major challenges await, especially in the likelihood of the loss of many high end jobs. Irish govs are going to be in reactive mode as distinct to being pro active.

One item, I see popping up on US election treads and Brexit treads....is the so called "uneducated voter".

What is an educated voter?
...back in the day, I remember all of those liberal socialists in Belfield giving the impression that they knew it all. they were fantastic if memory serves at protesting at the drop of a hat, they knew all the questions and the answers....alas frequently their answers were never solutions. So I am guessing, the "educated voter" as distinct from the "uneducated", is in fact someone who is brainwashed in liberal ideology, and yes liberally tolerant....but that tolerance only stretches as far as those who agree with their views.

When it comes to counting the ballot papers at an election, the votes cast by the educated or uneducated do not exist in those terms...they are simply the returned ballot papers of voters...voters being the key word. The term "uneducated voter" is a phrase coined by the liberal to insult those who do not agree with them.

the final result:
great if like me you agree with nationhood and want the foundation stone of your society to be the long held Christian values. my vision of the world is returning.

very bad news, if you are a liberal atheist seeking a global world...your race is run....perhaps you could locate an uninhabited island in the south pacific and make it your utopia.

Your sounding a wee bit resentful there Pa, how dare they work hard at school, then college, then work itself, metroploitan elites dedammed, they have it coming. But in truth they are a young couple with small kids and have moved into a new house after saving for years. Its all very well if you have no skin in the game, and you are playing with other peoples money to cheer on Brexit and Trump, but if you are employees of a US multinational or involved  in exporting to the UK it is a very different matter. People who have to live in the real world don't place value on a nonsense abstraction like the nation state. That is a luxury for those who live in a medicated state financed  dreamtime, and there is plenty who knows all about the national tit on here going by their post counts.  And if the worse comes to worse my sister is young enough to pack up and go, the world is her oyster, is it yours?  because if US FDI leaves this country there will be negative downstream implications for all those who have to stay.

I have thinking a lot recently about  when I moved here first, it was just after the country joined the EEC,lots of people were still  shieting in  sheds in their back gardens, many didn't own a fridge and  most people in rural Ireland didn't own a phone, a car or a tractor. Turf was drawn home in an ass and cart and the TV started at 6pm for the Angelus, the News and Feach. It never ceases to amaze me how much people take for granted , things can take a change  for the very very worse very easily so if you have a full belly, a shut door and a warm fire tonight be grateful for it. A day may come when people talk about horses, they will be talking about Christmas dinner.

Great Post, Rock Piper.

I believe Pa Lapsy still relies upon an outside convenience.

Nation States be damned, this is a mere road bump on the progressive, secular road towards racial and geo-homogeneity.

Keen Leader, I was working for a US E-commerce company a little back, they weren't domiciled here for tax but came because they were not able to hire skilled personnel in the US. They had a truly globalised supply and sales chain that is mirrored across food, fuel, finance and nearly any other industry you care to name, if you think that those chains can be broken without the direst of consequences you are mistaken, and if you hate the globalised world then get off the internet, because nothing represents it more. I am sorry I am sure you are in earnest but cats are out of the bag I wish you luck herding them back in.

I remember too when the Christian faith was the foundation stone of this state and a child sex ring operated in our school for years with impunity. I would say google it but now you know that the internet is satanic you'd  be for hell surely.

Now I must be off to watch Feach there is a very very holy priest om tonight and he going to have a very holy pray.

Sorry Feach not on for a few. Yeah Ozy whether I or you like it or not Globalisation is getting Globier. I met my former boss last night and he told me that a section of infrastructure that our team had worked on went into production a couple of days before and it had processed 16 million events in that time. That is 16 million inward messages had come into one part of a relatively small company's inward supply chain in  64 hours and the lads on here are going rolling back the clock, to a never was moral nation state pastoralism, ye are having a giraffe. To misquote Harrison Ford talking to George Lucas on the set of Star Wars "You can write this sh1t Keeno, but you sure as hell can't do it". If the global system goes down we all go down, it is not up for reformation. I am sorry Keeno, Wild One and Pa but you are on the wrong side of history.

No Rock Piper, i'm not "resentful", i knew hard times and admittedly some of it was my own doing to a point, i was blessed in that i met a guardian angel with my wife i was lethal(though never bad) when i was younger.
My point is your relatives are lucky (that is loose they have worked for that) they have an opportunity to be prudent unless they have totally overstretched themselves.
We live,we die, the trappings are irrelevant, the future of family is a concern,i make no apologies for half hoping Ireland remains fairly indigneous, i certainly don't want Shandon turning into a mosque,i don't want anything that has happened on the continent to the female side of the family, i don't want friends and family to suffer even inadvertently to a large influx of so called "refugees" aka economic migrants.
That's it in a nutshell,history or not.
I knew a window fitter from Sligo(Jack 80's) as an aside one sound fella.

Pa if is he in his 80's, prolly don't him but know people in the game and will have an ask. Nobody wants some c~nt wailing out of his tower at all hours of the morning, that is a tricky one for sure.

Rock Piper and Ozymandius have so much in common expect a deep friendship.

Both are globalists.
Both hate the nation state.
Both sneer at our country.
Both boast about their education and wealth.
Both are uncouth Vulgarians.
Both are knowledgeable but in an incredible narrow way
Both descend into personal abuse rapidly when things don't go their way.

Both hate Donald Trump but are very similar.

Both are winners don't forget. People like Rock Piper, Ozy are go getters in life, on the other hand take a look at Wonky who him and his live off the state and can't string a coherent sentence together, i know who i would rather knock about with.

Well Wild One you're  not your normal placid self tonight I came across an interesting factoid tonight, Romania produces a larger weight of Ship tonnage each year than the US, I was amazed I didn't even know Romania was cosatl and then I thought ah the Black Sea, or is it the other one? Finland has about 50K people working in Shipyards, Shipbuilding is even bigger in Sweden, both do highly specialised and skilled work and these countries have the highest wages in world, I mention this not to glorify globalism, of which I am an observer, not a proselytizer, I too shouted the empty slogans, until I saw some of how it worked and knew it existed because it worked and that it is ultimately doomed and humanity doomed with it. No the reason I mentioned the ships was the thought that there is a crisis in the US and UK manufacturing or in its working class or both. Why are they crying about Globalisation taking their jobs? you don't or can't or want to make tangible things that people want, even the Romanian can, I thought they were meant to be a crowd of dirty beggars and they don't even have a proper seaside.

Top ten Shipbuilding countries in world by metric tons

China    22K
S Korea  22K
Japan    13K
Philps    2K
Taiwan   600
Germany  519
Vietnam  273
Romania  326
Italy    312
US       293
UK        AR

I don't if the includes the US Nav tonnage

Sorry Wild One, typos there, on my phone, those figures are in millions of tons.

Rock Piper you are better than these losers, i have learned to give them a few hooks every few nights but you have really gone to town and destroyed them over the past few nights.

Tonnage or whatever doesn't matter, there is a revolt against your so called "globlisation", the only country in Europe that REALLY wants it is Germany, a modern day slave trade? Is that what it is all about?
Ask the rest, the eastern part of Europe wants to be out like a shot,western Europe in the PIGS have been royally shafted, fook it one way traffic a cheap labour force and the cost? Pay it and check the bottom of the receipt.

Rock Piper I don't get your last post.

I think you used the word factoid without knowing its meaning.

The ship building industry was huge in Britain,it hasn't been supported by government.

Finally you don't seem to be able to differentiate between Romanians and the Roma.
Romanians are not beggars they are ATM scammers.

I don't have a source for those figures, I pulled them off a random website so I can't stand over them it's hard to dig around when you are on your phone  , not quite a Trumpian factoid buy there you go. I know the difference between Roma and Romanians, though the anti EU  press across the pond aren't so nice about the distiction. The only shipbuilding left across the pond is government supported naval work. Otherwise sorry John Bull and Uncle Sam  we are not wanting your boats they are crap and dear as are all the things you make.

Rockfinger you are one sad insecure  person,firstly Workrider is a gentleman and a very nice person,and secondly he has never claimed off the state in his life,

Is work rider on the scroungi? Dolerider should be his handle.

Down tools said the man and DR dropped his pencil, handy when your in the bookies too boy, it's innovations like the dual purpose peann luaith that will MAGA.

the final result:
great if like me you agree with nationhood and want the foundation stone of your society to be the long held Christian values. my vision of the world is returning.

very bad news, if you are a liberal atheist seeking a global world...your race is run....perhaps you could locate an uninhabited island in the south pacific and make it your utopia.

I have to say my image of you keen leader is someone with a rosary beads in one hand and the Racing Post in the other. Why do views have to be so set in stone? A lot of what you write smacks of some bitterness and resentment presumably building up over many years as you saw old certainties disappear typified by a rant at a demographic 40 years ago! The constituencies you paint above are minorities and most of us stumble in the space in between trying to make sense of a world twisted with bitterness, prejudice and inequality.

I can't see that this situation has be bad news or greats new depending on the label fastened to one's back by those who want to see the world as yes or no, black or white, great and bad: this is not the world I live in.

Trump's win - against the popular vote - obviously shows a country divided down the middle. If Republicans now think that their politics will rule the world where intolerance seems to be so fashionable we are all in for a torrid time. If Trump is "successful" based on his past achievements I wouldn't be holding my breath if I lived in the rust belt. On the other hand, Sanders supporters are a motley crew and are craving for policies that are extremely unfashionable and probably unworkable. I think its hard enough to define real Democratic policies today or perhaps "believe" them would be a better term. Obama, as you say, was a great orator but to call him a disaster when he was spancilled in the House for all those years is pure bias.

Less of the jubilation over predicting lots of job losses for our friends and families-I find that pretty nauseating.

Sign on wherever you may be,
DSP and SRFC,
PP and the SVP,
Person of interest to the Gardai.

Sorry I have too much coffee today.

Got a pencil in my pocket,
Watch the horses on TV,
I am going to the Post Office,
Pay me out now if you please,

He's a rider on the dole,
Etc

what power, if any, will he have? or will he even care - main thing is he got the gig. I have a feeling they are merely puppets on a string...i guess we will find out in the coming months.

so brexit and us election - polls indicated it was close enough. yet before a vote was counted both favorites went to 1.08. two crazy markets that were both fascinating to observe.

I have never understood the liberals love of Islam.
I have never understood the feminists love of Islam

The answer however is here,its in Rock Piper,its in Royal Academy.
They both have this visceral hate of the a Catholic Church,this is so deep that it makes them support a religion that is barbaric.
Both sneer at the working class,sneer even more at people on benefits ( this sneering is solely for the indigenous ) this is part of the self hatred.
Any show of patriotism is also sneered at,flag waving or singing almost a crime.

The smashing of the nation state is their goal.

If they achieve it they will soon find that a great culture will have been taken over by a dreadful one.

It staggers me that the 'progressive' and 'tolerant' types truly believe that followers of a well-known Peaceful Religion would spare them the bullet, the bomb and the beheading sword. 

As we saw in Paris, Brussels and umpteen countries across the world, the peace-lovers bomb and shoot indiscriminately when they carry out their atrocities. The apologists don't get an advance tip-off to clear out of the area they reduce to carnage.   

The Illegal Immigrants and criminals in Calais would unhesitatingly trample over the 'No Borders' supporters in a moment if it mean they could force their way into Britain.

Tolerance, tolerance?  I 'll give you feckin' tolerance!

Take your backward, out of date, inhumane, ignorant, bigoted and racist views back to the seeething, displaced cesspit of humanity AKA the Chit Chat back street boozer.

I do hope I haven't minced my words

#loveyourown

A fine example of a liberal in defeat Ozy .

This is our turf, Wonks....you let a Welsh immigrant cross our border, ram their opinions down our throats and make no attempts to assimilate into our tolerant culture...well that's the beginning of the end.

No Sir, love your own, worship at the altar of the Nation State, that's the way forward.

The more I read your drivel Ozy, the more worried I become, the likes of yourself and a few of your mates would have thought police on constant patrol in case someone thought for themselves . I bet your party would be named  , You can't say that .

The Thought Police are the one arm of the law, Wonks, that you are likely to have very little run ins with.

Poor Ozymandius doesn't seem to know the Welsh are Celts.

His intolerance doesn't extend to men in their thirties from Pakistan coming in claiming to be children,no these must be welcomed.
These gentlemen are illiterate in their own language never mind ours and once in go straight on welfare,demand family reunification which generally means their village who then all go on welfare.

These gentlemen are illiterate in their own language never mind ours and once in go straight on welfare,demand family reunification which generally means their village who then all go on welfare.

That's no way to speak about Scouse Tony, the forums one and only Assylum Seeker.

Here Oscar Wild don't be conflating me with Ozy or projecting opinions onto me I don't hold. The last time I dipped my toe into this cesspool you or some of mates denied I existed and said that Rocketfingers and I were the same person. This caused me deep physic damage at an existential level and when I looked in the mirror I no longer had a reflection a bit like Count Dracula.

You may define yourself by your hatreds, but I don't do hatred its too hungry a vice. As well as a yoga practitioner, I am also a qualified long distance psychologist. I have being studying you. You have deep anger issues, low self esteem and most importantly a buttoned up prudery when it comes to anything approaching sexual matters. Classic symptoms, easy diagnosis. I prescribe an course of Vedanta at my school here. The bliss you will feel will allow you to see your true self for the first time, and before you know it your nuptial photos will be in the GCN and yourself and your husband will be away doing a bit of refugee tourism in the Calais jungle on your honeymoon.

All the hatred is on your side.
I hate no one
Ozymandius is the epitome of hate.

Rock Piper you started with a real good betting proposition but even in that your condescension shines through,you called people thick,knocks,mouth frothing,crawling back into nests.
You slipped in boastful facts about yourself whilst claiming those who disagree with you are on the " national tit "
You even got a dig about a child sex ring operating in your school.

You followed Nate Silver yet you have shown you have no knowledge of American politics.
Your take on working class voters was embarrassing,you seemed never to have heard of the Southern strategy.

In your superior way you called this place a cesspool when describing the last time you were on adiscussion on here.
I remember that,you were expressing all sorts of hatred about Shamrock Robers supporters.

Finally like most liberals who have all the ride on views you think the best way to insult me is to imply I'm homosexual because at the back of your angry mind you think its a bad thing.

Wildman, your last post is proof positive to me as to how "truthiness" has such a foothold.

It's always a good idea to call someone out - just in case their interest in a topic is faltering - as one may assume that they will defend themselves against any calumny. (And I know from past experience you will ignore most of my reply). My view on Islam, if you are interested, is that it has been hijacked by extremists and is following an agenda set by those with so many vested interests in so many outcomes. Like Catholicism, it is dogmatic on many issues a lot of them cretinous -  to the point of extremism but many will choose their own path on matters such as contraception and abortion. One cannot impose beliefs on horse or man/woman. Religion should be a crutch to negotiate life's snakes and ladders.

You paint me as this arch liberal with visceral hatreds matched by those on the right. You cannot point to a single statement of mine supporting Islam. I support helping those in need. Period! This is a Christian value in as much as its a value held dearly by what I would regard as most "reasonable" humans. I aspire to Christ's teaching of "Love thy neighbour as thyself" and I fail miserably most of the time.

When I call you and others to account for your views its because I still see the monolith that has crumbled at an institutional level but is protected and guarded by the foot soldiers who cannot abide to see the Catholic church influence fade. My objection is the blind loyalty that makes a lot intolerant of other creeds and races and when things get tough finds lots of available scapegoats. Simply put, such attitudes, in my view, are very unchristian whatever about the Church itself and its miracles and saints and dogmas and misogyny and old men telling us all how to live our lives. You'll no doubt tell me to remove the scales from my eyes but that's par for the course with you.

You do a good bit of name calling yourself Oscar, in fact its all you do. You are the ruination of this forum you really are, you have your twisted "patriot" pals gloating at the prospect of Irish people losing their jobs.  There is something deeply wrong with you, regarding the child sex ring at my school, that wasn't a dig, it is a fact.
The abuse was physical as well as sexual and I saw some horrendous things at that school but thank god I didn't get to see the worse. Many people I know remain deeply traumatized, and will remain so until they die, there have been terrible downstream repercussions, including a victim killing an enabler within his own family. It is interesting to me that you have brought it up because I don't see exactly where it fits in to the rest of your narrative.

No one gloated at the prospect of anyone losing their jobs although its interesting that the great Internationalist suddenly gets all insular when he is affected.

The narrative you painted about yourself was you arrived in this terrible backward country where the savages were defecating where they stood but the EU managed to civilise us.
You naturally were above all this,the thicks,the Knucks were all around but you rose above.
Again you had to introduce this other horror you had to endure,the ubiquitous sex ring,all the buzz words are there " deeply traumatised " " terrible downstream repercussions "

I don't know where you are from but you've got a living in this country as has your sister yet you are full of hate for the to you uncivilised natives.
Anyone who in anyway is patriotic is twisted.

No one was "gloating" at anyone losing jobs, you Rock Piper named dropped they were "senior professionals", what are they earning if that is the case? They certainly aren't living on jam sandwiches anyway.
Twisting, it is a worry,that is all,the timeframe is long and likely not to even happen.
Keep it honest.

Ye hate this country, that's why ye want is to go back to shieting in the fields.

Ye hate this country, ye want everything one back on the dole, ye want the brothers back abusing children, ye hate this country.

Ye are shoneen toadies to the Tory oppressor, bitter ye lost the tan war, yeer people were reared out of RIC barracks and yeer neighbours hate ye for it.

A lot of hate tumbling out there.
I wasn't aware we lost the " tan war "

Everything is of its time,I personally have never hated the British.
Quite the opposite in fact I grew to admire Britain and its traditions,we have far more in common than ever divided us.

Haha Dolerider

Cracking thread tbf.  Some very humane and articulate contributions from RA.

deep anger issues, low self esteem and most importantly a buttoned up prudery when it comes to anything approaching sexual matters

A fascinating and revealing psychological profile of Borneo from our very own in-house qualified, professional practitioner.

Wonks, would you be willing to see the Doctor for an up to date review?

Lets take out the hates,

Oscar, Dolerider et al loves

Hard working people losing their jobs,
Dole scroungers,
Sick claimants,
Going on the internet all day wasting hard working Irish families hard earned tax backing losers,
Abasement to our former colonial masters,
Child abuse of children by clerics,
Extermination of unpopular races,
Free travel,
Medical cards,
Whinging,
Burial grants,
Apocalypse merchants.
Making thousands of posts every year on an obscure forum scandalising hard working people,
Lying in bed all day,
Never having to do a vat return,
never making a corporation tax return,
or a  CRO return,
Or a P60 return,
or having a Health and safety visit,
Or having a Food safety Officer visit,
Or dealing with driveling madmen threatening your staff,
Tappers in the pub cos they are the scroungers,
Never having to worry about the paying the bills because the Saint Vincent De Paul pays all.

I hope there is plenty of copper when ye burn your tyres,

"You even got a dig about a child sex ring operating in your school".

Wildemanfromborneo interprets a comment I made about the child sex ring in St Johns NS, Sligo as a dig, (four teaching colleagues were convicted of abuse, they were tried separately, but it is known locally but not nationally to have been a ring ). I found that very curious, when you give somebody a dig, you exploit a weakness you know exists in a person.

"Again you had to introduce this other horror you had to endure,the ubiquitous sex ring,all the buzz words are there " deeply traumatised " " terrible downstream repercussions "".

He later calls or rather reduces the suffering of abused children to the term "buzzwords", meaning they didn't suffer, and if they didn't suffer, are we to assume they enjoyed it. Sometimes our words reveal more than we intend, what are we to make of these words?

Something wrong here, there is something that is not sitting right with me reading the comments of Wildmanfromborneo/Dark Rosie, i am starting to feel nervous, anxious if you like when i see wildman/Dark Rosie post on here as the mask slides from his face. I think we could see a campaign to have Wildman brought to justify these comments Rock. Wildman you're walking a tightrope in relation to these comments, Rock piper is doing some job exposing you (Online), i would ask people to check their local registers.

Aren't ya a great man behind the anonymity of your keyboard Rocketfingers?

You are a nasty type with your innuendo.

"You even got a dig about a child sex ring operating in your school".

Pa in essence defending the above sort of comment

Another night on the forum and what do we find:


Lapsy, shirtless, pawing the ground, heckles raised,....looking for trouble.

Deary me.

Yourself and rocketfingers are welcome to it.
Nothing except the two of ye running down people in any case.
Belt away.

#doesn'tdoirony

Ozy why would Pa defend a comment that is defending a ring of offenders? I know he hates women but that is dreadful to see his latest stance.

Pa you can take back your attack a and defending if you wish?

The two sexually insecure forumites are seeing stuff that isint there.

Neither can follow long threads but the main thrust of my argument is that Rock Piper introduced this aspect as a way of eliciting sympathy.
It was also in the middle of a diatribe against Ireland,we were in his words defecating where we stood when he arrived here,we were backward and barely literate,I disputed that too.

I can see where the love affair is heading re Ragsy and Piper , Sligo is the common denominator ,Piper settled up there and Ragsy is embracing him as a fellow Countyman ,forgetting of course that he's not.Where on this beautiful planet does Piper hail from I ask myself ,a place full of indoor toilets wow I'm impressed, maybe it even had electricity ,come on Piper don't keep us in suspense.

aboy buggsy , any tusks for sale ?

Tubby on the bacci again I see...